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Conservatives Should More Kids And A Brighter Future (Michael Medved On Right's Fecundity Alert)
Townhall.com ^ | 9/05/2008 | Michael Medved

Posted on 09/05/2008 8:01:06 PM PDT by goldstategop

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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie
I don’t see how conservatism can continue being a dominant force in the future.
Free markets, free peoples, and free societies will win out, in the long run, because they simply work so much better than all the alternatives.

The question isn't what will win in the long run, but of how painful will the process be of getting there.

21 posted on 09/05/2008 9:07:44 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Jerry Attrick

Per C.S. Cherryh’s book, “In Conquest Born”, there was a quote that resonated with me. “Fertile creatures breed, infertile creatures do not. And we, self made gods, have chosen to seek to break that natural law.”
A society had bred/engineered itself to perfection, at the cost of its fertility. And because they had weeded out the sick, the weak, anything that wasn’t “perfect”, they suffered sterility, miscarriage, and dangerous childbirth. And because of their perfection, they were dangerously vulnerable to what was their equivalent of the common cold.
Moral of the story: what you think is perfect is merely what you think it is, not what nature agrees with. And building up to your pinnacle of perfection may be piling on the failings, too.


22 posted on 09/05/2008 9:11:14 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - on amazon.com)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

“It seems I read or heard somewhere that about half of the children under the age of five in the U.S. are minority children. If conservatives can’t start making inroads in the minority communities I don’t see how conservatism can continue being a dominant force in the future.”

Well, it depends what you mean by “conservative.” If you mean living an ethic that embraces life, I don’t think you’re going to have to worry. If you mean the finer points of free market conservative theory, then I think it’s going to be a long row to hoe.

There’s a very obvious way to address the problem: have more children and raise them well. Repeat as necessary.


23 posted on 09/05/2008 9:11:32 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: goldstategop

Is it any wonder that the liberals want open borders to fill their ranks with grateful welfare-dependent immigrants ?

I’ve sent McCain money finally, after he came through with a Conservative running mate, but I haven’t forgotten McCain-Kennedy Amnesty.

I’ve also sent him a note that the first, non-negotiable element of any immigration reform be the PERMANENT ineligibility of any immigrant or their children from any public assistance. It seems only fair — when everybody else’s grandparents came to America, there WAS NO public assistance.


24 posted on 09/05/2008 9:12:10 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (I used to be Dilbert. Then I was Wally. I retired before I became the Pointy Haired One.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

“Propagating the human race with six (count ‘em) fabulous children!”

Congratulations. As the old lawyer joke goes: a good start. :-)

“All children are blessings from God and the materialistic libs don’t know what they are missing.”

Yup. Children are a much more important investment in the future than your 401(k).


25 posted on 09/05/2008 9:14:19 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: dr_who

“Is it possible to correct the leftward political tilt of the country by increasing the fertility of traditional family units?”

Ja!


26 posted on 09/05/2008 9:18:37 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

And if liberals enact confiscatory taxes because you dared invest your own money, they are WAY more reliable for retirement, too.


27 posted on 09/05/2008 9:19:45 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Sirat: Through the Fires of Hell" - on amazon.com)
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To: killermedic

Good for you!

It can be challenging at times, but if you stick with it, you can give your kids an education that the public school system never could.


28 posted on 09/05/2008 9:37:26 PM PDT by Fichori (ironic: adj. 1 Characterized by or constituting irony. 2 Obamy getting beat up by a girl.)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie
Yeah, I agree with you. The breeding rates of certain minorities (especially Hispanics, but also many blacks) just outstrips everyone else. We're going to have to actually fight the battle with ideas and leadership and effective presentation of both to try to bring more to our side. Simply outbreeding them is a slow war of attrition I don't think we can win in the end when the left can create more soldiers instantaneously just by offering more handouts. No need to change our principles, but the foot has to get into the door somehow. I think school choice as a civil rights issue is a way to do it with blacks and promoting small business is good way with Hispanics.

My religious, pretty conservative girlfriend (hopefully fiance within a year) doesn't want kids. Instead, I'll just work on converting people to our side to keep up the fight.
29 posted on 09/05/2008 9:53:43 PM PDT by According2RecentPollsAirIsGood
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To: dr_who
He can't be serious. Just the same, maybe he's on to something. Dr. Strangelove, what do you think? Is it possible to correct the leftward political tilt of the country by increasing the fertility of traditional family units?



Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.
30 posted on 09/05/2008 10:10:25 PM PDT by According2RecentPollsAirIsGood
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To: rom
Were you(r) folks liberals?

Dad voted Republican because that's the way his folks voted. My grandparents (both sides) were old school black folks from the deep south.

Mom voted Democrat. She was the black sheep child of her family, and went against the grain.

I wouldn't say that either of them were avowed liberals, but they were of that age group that was just coming of age during the Civil Rights era, and were being affected at their core by the events of the time. But, I don't think that either of them were rabidly political in those days.

I think that more of us kids would have wound up as Republicans if we hadn't spent our teen years in the black community, as opposed to the mixed military community we were born into.

It's pretty hard not to wind up as a liberal if you're raised in a solidly liberal Democrat community. Most folks aren't able to shake that subtle indoctrination until they're well into their maturity, if at all.

31 posted on 09/05/2008 10:10:45 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: tbw2

“And if liberals enact confiscatory taxes because you dared invest your own money, they are WAY more reliable for retirement, too.”

I fear that we might find that out the hard way.


32 posted on 09/05/2008 10:37:27 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: According2RecentPollsAirIsGood

“My religious, pretty conservative girlfriend (hopefully fiance within a year) doesn’t want kids.”

(chuckle).

People change.


33 posted on 09/06/2008 5:23:18 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Fichori

So you are not going to let your kids watch TV, go to movies, or attend college?


34 posted on 09/06/2008 8:53:56 AM PDT by rmlew (NYARLATHOTEP / BIDEN'08 . If you don't believe me check out the first's wikipedia page.)
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To: rmlew
“So you are not going to let your kids watch TV, go to movies, or attend college?”
Is that what I said?

I'm not married and I don't have kids, but I can speak from experience.

I have never been in a movie theater.

When it comes to movies, I look them up on www.pluggedinonline.com and see if they are something that is appropriate to watch.
If a movie is suitable and its something people want to watch, it gets rented.
Excellent movies like The Chronics of Narnia, get purchased.


I don't watch TV.
There is a TV in the house, but it is used exclusively for watching flight camera footage taken from UAV's, etc.

That little jab about attending college is a strawman.

You remember when I said "you can give your kids an education that the public school system never could."? Last I checked, colleges are not the public school system.

35 posted on 09/06/2008 2:41:33 PM PDT by Fichori (ironic: adj. 1 Characterized by or constituting irony. 2 Obamy getting beat up by a girl.)
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