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Obama says he was too flip on abortion issue
MSNBC ^ | 9/7/2008 | MSNBC

Posted on 09/07/2008 3:36:42 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA

WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama acknowledged Sunday that he was probably too flip when he said it was "above my pay grade" to answer a question about when is a baby entitled to human rights.

Obama gave his answer last month at a nationally televised religious forum sponsored by minister Rick Warren at his megachurch in Orange County, Calif.

Asked on Sunday whether the "above my pay grade" answer was too flip, Obama said: "Probably. ...What I intended to say is that, as a Christian, I have a lot of humility about understanding when does the soul enter into ... It's a pretty tough question.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; gaffe; obama; obamabiden; paygrade; saddleback
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Someone here had a tagline I liked: Obama- he was a flop before he flipped.
1 posted on 09/07/2008 3:36:42 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

The more this guy opens his mouth the more he proves that he is not ready for prime time.


2 posted on 09/07/2008 3:39:05 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: Red in Blue PA

I dunno Obama - I think that’s a really smart answer and you ought to welcome more one liners from that staffer on your campaign.


3 posted on 09/07/2008 3:39:43 PM PDT by RushingWater (Pres. Bush honors Mexican sovereignty over our own - Pardon Ramos/Campeon/Hernandez)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I wonder how he would have reacted to 09-11-01. I imagine he’d probably be “flip” and then say he was “too flip” in an interview a month later.


4 posted on 09/07/2008 3:39:45 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (McCain/Palin '08! Real change you won't have to "believe in." You'll be able to see it!!!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Does someone have the youtube for Obama’s above my pay grade at Saddleback and the youtube from today’s new Obama answer??


5 posted on 09/07/2008 3:40:13 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Red in Blue PA

I swear that Obama has attention deficiency. Sure would like to know if he was ever on meds or is on meds.


6 posted on 09/07/2008 3:40:15 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: Red in Blue PA

if you have a lot of humility then why don’t you err on the side of life???????????


7 posted on 09/07/2008 3:40:17 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Flip = flippant = dashing off a reply without any thought, resulting in a shallow treatment of a serious topic.

If he was 'flip,' it shows that he is also a moron, going on stage at an evangelical church not having given serious thought to the subject of when life begins.

8 posted on 09/07/2008 3:40:17 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Red in Blue PA

He was flip about doing coke, too.


9 posted on 09/07/2008 3:41:10 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Re: the abortion issue (COPYING and circulation is encouraged)


10 posted on 09/07/2008 3:41:21 PM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: Red in Blue PA
It's a pretty tough question

Well, that should clear that up.

11 posted on 09/07/2008 3:41:59 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Red in Blue PA

From flip to flip flop.

He’s quite the ideological acrobat.


12 posted on 09/07/2008 3:42:24 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: Sacajaweau
No this type of behavior comes from having no bedrock principles or beliefs. Saying what you think the listener wants to hear ta that moment is pathological. He shares that with the Hildebeast
13 posted on 09/07/2008 3:43:17 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

He was for abortion before he was against it.


14 posted on 09/07/2008 3:43:37 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Obama thanks McCain for not questioning his Muslim faith)
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To: Red in Blue PA
the McCain crew needs to put together a 1 minute ad that is just flip flops.
15 posted on 09/07/2008 3:44:36 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Just like he said he wasn’t experienced enough to run for President , then a month later started his run ... What a freaking joke , Just his flops and flips are enough to loose . That’s not including his personal friends mentors and .........


16 posted on 09/07/2008 3:44:41 PM PDT by Deetes ( (God Bless the Troops) .)
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To: Red in Blue PA

You either support Roe v Wade and abortion on demand, or you don’t.

Obama supports abortion as a Constitutional right.

Like other liberals who hold such a position, Obama is an abortionist scumbag.


17 posted on 09/07/2008 3:46:40 PM PDT by Reagan Man (McCain Wants My Vote --- With Palin on the ticket, MOST conservatives should be satisfied.)
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To: Chaguito

“Flip = flippant = dashing off a reply without any thought, resulting in a shallow treatment of a serious topic.

If he was ‘flip,’ it shows that he is also a moron, going on stage at an evangelical church not having given serious thought to the subject of when life begins.”

You make a good point there. I would like to suggest to him that there would not be a chance of a ‘do over’ in one of his ‘no pre-condition style’ talks with a hostile power. We have have a good handle on how they would treat a flippant reply.


18 posted on 09/07/2008 3:47:17 PM PDT by Tomato lover (McCain/Palin)
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To: Tomato lover

exactly.


19 posted on 09/07/2008 3:48:14 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Red in Blue PA

20 posted on 09/07/2008 3:48:28 PM PDT by South40
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To: Red in Blue PA
Why does the man-child Obama have to constantly be saying that he misspoke or was wrong.
21 posted on 09/07/2008 3:49:33 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Red in Blue PA

That’s not the Obama he knew!


22 posted on 09/07/2008 3:50:28 PM PDT by Obadiah (I remember when the climate never changed, then Bush stole the election.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Probably. ...What I intended to say is that, as a Christian,

No one with half a brain believes that you are a Christian, Obama.

23 posted on 09/07/2008 3:50:53 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: Red in Blue PA
Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama acknowledged Sunday that he was probably too flip when he said it was "above my pay grade" to answer a question about when is a baby entitled to human rights.

Barry, better get the word to your running mate. He used "above my pay grade" in a Meet The Press interview today...

24 posted on 09/07/2008 3:51:15 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama wants to raise taxes and kill babies; Palin wants to raise babies and kill taxes.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Anyone who professes to be a Christian yet supports unlimited abortion is deceived by the Devil.


25 posted on 09/07/2008 3:53:04 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Stand up and pray up!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’m tellin ya’ Obama’s internal poll numbers are getting so bad that he’s now throwing himself under the bus!


26 posted on 09/07/2008 3:55:43 PM PDT by Obadiah (I remember when the climate never changed, then Bush stole the election.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Asked on Sunday whether the "above my pay grade" answer was too flip, Obama said: "Probably. ...What I intended to say is that, as a Christian, I have a lot of humility about understanding when does the soul enter into ... It's a pretty tough question.

Thank you Mr. Obama for promoting the fact that lack of conviction leads to personal wishy washy confusion.

Now we know you.

27 posted on 09/07/2008 3:56:35 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Too flippent of a remark, Obama? Ya think? After two weeks, you’re ready to admit it?


28 posted on 09/07/2008 3:57:46 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("I don't know of a single thing Obama has done except talk and write". -- Newt Gingrich)
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To: Red in Blue PA

What I intended to say is that, as a Christian, I have a lot of humility about understanding when does the soul enter into ...”

There’s nothing humble about equivocating in matters of good and evil. To claim to not be able to recognize evil due to one’s humility is nothing of the sort, but rather is of itself evil.


29 posted on 09/07/2008 3:59:59 PM PDT by bereanway (Sarah get your gun)
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To: EGPWS
This is just amazing. After watching Rudy Giuliani tear into him about all his "present" votes in the Illinois legislature. He cannot say yes or no.

Rudy had him pegged accurately. He has never faced a real crisis. Now that his campaign is actually being challenged, we are understanding his true nature under pressure.

This is NOT a pretty picture.

30 posted on 09/07/2008 4:01:06 PM PDT by Nachum (Sarah Palin: Baberaham Lincoln)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Gosh, Baraq, do you really think the termination of 49+ million human lives is something to joke about?


31 posted on 09/07/2008 4:03:16 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Tom Manion USMC '08!!)
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To: Nachum
He cannot say yes or no.

Obama is the perfect democrat, his favorite color is gray.

32 posted on 09/07/2008 4:04:25 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The Axelrod spin machine is still trying to hide the much worse truth about Obama’s flippant response to Rick Warren’s question. Obama didn’t answer Rick’s question because he was trapped by his own ghoulish history of defending the killing of preemies by neglect.


33 posted on 09/07/2008 4:07:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

This “pay grade” answer was his equivalent of voting “present.” He doesn’t give a hoot about the moral implications of abortion and as usual was hedging for minimum political damage. Now that he’s exposed, the issue is suddenly worthy of more consideration. What an amoral putz.


34 posted on 09/07/2008 4:08:50 PM PDT by omniscient
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To: Red in Blue PA
Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

35 posted on 09/07/2008 4:12:20 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
"......What I intended to say is that, as a Christian..."

This is what you intend to say as a 'Christian' but what about as a 'Muslim' as you were this morning before Snufflupugus saved your sorry ass?
36 posted on 09/07/2008 4:12:41 PM PDT by j_k_l
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To: Red in Blue PA; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

37 posted on 09/07/2008 4:12:41 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: bereanway
What Rick ACTUALLY asked him was, "At what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?" Rick didn't ask about a fetus, he asked about a baby, the name given a born infant! Obama changed the focus to create a confusion he assumed would give him wiggle room.

Obama's non-answer (he typically voted present in IL, not yes or no) of 'above his pay grade' followed an obfuscation of what Pastor Warren asked!

You see, Obama likely expected a question regarding his stance protecting the evil of killing infants born alive by neglecting them until they struggle and die. What Obama had been programmed to do was immediately misdirect the discussion away from his actual defense of this evil (three times in the IL legislature), to obfuscate over the supposedly more ambiguous question of when a conception becomes a human being!

Rick Warren asked the precisely correct question to expose Obama's history of opposing the Born Alive Infant Protection Act in IL. Obama had been programmed to change the question focus to the more nebulous question of when the newly conceived become 'functional' human beings. He's still trying to divert attention from his actual record of defending the killing by neglect of forced birth preemies.

Democrat Party ghouls have been protecting their defense of slaughtering the alive unborn by diverting away from obvious truths that Americans can and will agree upon, to confuse the issues using this same diversion tactic. Obama knew he would be asked about his defense of this evil way to kill preemies and he instictively changed the question to address the pre-planned misdirection which has kept this evil in our midst.

What Obama could have said to defend his repeated opposition to a born alive infant protection act? He had no option but to change the focus, to try and confuse the issue, because he has defended the killing by neglect of terminating pregnancies! He has proven with his legislative work tyhat he doesn't believe a born infant should have human rights unless the female extends them to the child.

Obama does not agree with the concept of unalienable right to LIFE. Warren exposed this with his question and Obama did his usual shuffle switch to answer something he was programmed for not what was actaully asked.

38 posted on 09/07/2008 4:12:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Obamma Lamma Ding Dong advocates killing babies.
Nuff said.


39 posted on 09/07/2008 4:13:58 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Reagan Man

Oh, he’s a lot more radical than just supporting Roe v Wade. He is defender of murdering ALREADY BORN INFANTS by neglecting to give them medical support so they struggle and die unattented, ALONE. The man is a damned ghoul. PERIOD.


40 posted on 09/07/2008 4:15:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: FrdmLvr

I just wonder what audience he is speaking to when he reverses himself concerning the “surge” and the abortion issue... the republicans or the democrats?


41 posted on 09/07/2008 4:20:59 PM PDT by Mashood
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To: Red in Blue PA
That's the best he can come up with after all this time?
42 posted on 09/07/2008 4:23:03 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (don't worry, they only want to take water out of the other guy's side of the bucket.)
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To: darkangel82

The video of the slip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zQK_EhDhZQ


43 posted on 09/07/2008 4:23:14 PM PDT by trussell (I carry because...When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away)
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To: ari-freedom

If humility earns a 100% NARAL rating, I’d hate to see his hubris.


44 posted on 09/07/2008 4:24:05 PM PDT by qwertyz
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To: Reagan Man

> Obama supports abortion as a Constitutional right.

Two very important observations arise from that, and it makes me bloody angry now that he has confessed to being “too flip” on the Abortion Issue:

First: was he also “Too Flip” when he supported Abortion as a Constitutional Right?

Second: how many babies died as a result of his “Flippancy”?

He’ll say anything to become President — He’ll even confess to treating life and death “flippantly”.

I am so angry by this flippant, self-serving “confession” that I’m going outside to have a “Patton Moment” — no point scaring the wife and kids with harsh language...

*DieHard the Hunter*


45 posted on 09/07/2008 4:26:34 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

MSNBC shoveling up the messiah’s poop.


46 posted on 09/07/2008 4:28:04 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Obama has caused me to have several Patton moments already.


47 posted on 09/07/2008 4:28:21 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: Red in Blue PA

I think he was correct in saying that. Deep thought and conviction is above his pay grade, and every other grade he can hope to aspire to.


48 posted on 09/07/2008 4:37:54 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Red in Blue PA
Many people just think that Obamanation kills babies; so do his co-horts, Biden and Pelosi

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Catholic Voters and 2008
Barack Obama Supports the Murder of Newborn Infants

Obama Lied About Abortion Record
What Barack Obama defended three times: Live Birth Abortion
[OPEN] Supreme K of C Calls for Real "Change" on Abortion and Catholic Revolt against Obama Nation
Obama's Catholic Problem ( Linda Chavez )
Obama’s View on Abortion May Divide Catholics ( "May Divide?" )
Obama loses 26 points among Catholics
Barack Obama's Wife Michelle to Join Hillary Clinton at Pro-Abortion Dinner
OPINION: Senator Obama and the Wall of the Womb
Barack Obama's Pledge to Overturn Every Pro-Life Abortion Law One Year Old
Obama Worse than Clintons on Abortion Says National Right to Life Leader Interview-SCOTUS Critical

Roman Catholics for Obama '08
OBAMA TO CATHOLICS: NO VOUCHERS
How can Catholics for Obama rationalize their support for the pro-choice candidate?
Obama’s director of Catholic Outreach ‘dodges’ opportunity to reach Catholics
Barack Obama Slams John McCain For Opposing Abortion, Activist Judges
Catholics and Obama
COMMENTARY: Quandry for Catholics At Election Time
The Latest Refinement (Obama on Abortion)
CNN Runs Biased News Story Covering Up Barack Obama’s Pro-Abortion Record
Jill Stanek: Obama's biggest lie about supporting infanticide

The Battle for Catholic Voters
New Report Indicates Voters Most Interested in Barack Obama’s Position on Abortion
Deal Hudson: Obama and Infanticide?
Ad asks Obama: ‘If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?’
Embryonic stem-cell research immoral, unnecessary, bishops say
Catholics should not vote for Obama
Catholic Caucus: It is a sin to vote/support Obama/DNC [abortion]
More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports (really not Catholics)
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Obama's Abortion Bombshell: Unrestricted Abortion....

NARAL Catholics Line Up for Obama
Editorial: Disagreeing with Doug Kmiec One More Time
State-Funded Embryo Research "Makes Taxpayers Complicit in Killing", say Bishops
McCain Meets Privately with Fr. Pavone - Says Constitutional Right to Life Applies to Unborn
Faithful Citizenship: “Catholic Vote” is very sought after
Has Obama dissolved his Catholic advisory council?
Commentary: Faithful Citizenship and the Formed Conscience
Catholic League: Where's Obama's 'Catholic Advisory Council'? [Not to be found!]
Right-wing Christians beginning to lean left (Misleading headline)
Catholics Debate Obama Vote

US Bishops Urge Voters to Give Priority to Life [Ecumenical]
Corralling the Catholic vote: Political necessity or pipe dream?
DOUG KMIEC: Catholic Reasons for Hope in the General Election
EDITORIAL: Why This Catholic Dreads the Campaign
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Thoughts On ‘Roman Catholics For Obama’
How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question
Catholic Pro-Life Leader Feuds With Barack Obama's "Catholic" Backers
McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)
Catholics Cannot Vote for Pols Who Support Abortion, Except for Morally Grave Reasons: KY Bishops

49 posted on 09/07/2008 4:39:41 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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50 posted on 09/07/2008 4:40:55 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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