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Psycho hammers subway passenger
Philly.com ^ | 9/9/08 | Puppage

Posted on 09/09/2008 10:48:18 AM PDT by Puppage

As the SEPTA subway train rocked forward, a thirty-something guy leaned over near the doorway and gently planted a kiss on the little boy at his side.

When the train neared the Fairmount Avenue stop shortly after midnight on Thursday, the man reached out like an adoring parent and directed the 3- or 4-year-old tyke to an open seat.

Then he flew into a monstrous rage.

Without uttering a word, police said, the unidentified man whipped out a double-claw hammer and began bludgeoning a 20-year-old man who was dozing off in his seat.

For five long minutes, SEPTA surveillance cameras captured the deranged attacker - who was still on the loose late last night- digging his hammer into the man's head and neck.

Through it all, disgusted investigators said, at least 10 passengers stood by and did nothing as the random attack moved from the train to the platform, when the hammer-wielding maniac tried to push his victim down onto the train tracks.

When the beating was finished and the suspect fled with the little boy, the victim staggered back onto the train, bloodied, confused and alone, said Detective Kenneth Roach, of Central Detectives.

And even then, no one tried to help him.

"Somebody should have helped this guy," Roach said. "I understand the [other] guy had a hammer, but they outnumbered him at least 10 to one."

Miraculously, the victim took the subway up to Temple University Hospital, received several staples and sutures and was discharged, Roach said.

The motive remains a mystery.

"I'm baffled," Roach said. "He had no reason to do that. It was unprovoked. The victim was just going home from work, minding his own business, listening to his iPod."

Roach said that the victim, whose name was not released, boarded the subway at City Hall.

The attacker - a bearded, stocky, 5-foot-9-inch black man who wore a yellow shirt and black pants - also got on at City Hall, with a youngster who may or may not be his child.

The victim and the hammer-toting psychopath never exchanged a word or a glance, Roach said.

"According to the victim, there was no contact or verbal discussion," he said. "They didn't even notice each other."

The hammer was hidden in a black-and-yellow book bag that the attacker clutched throughout the short subway ride.

The little boy dashed off the train with the other passengers during the brutal beat-down, but was later seen running back on to recover the book bag. The boy and the suspect are seen on camera leaving together.

Roach described the attacker as "very dangerous" and asked anyone who knows him to contact police at 215-686-3093 or -3094. *


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; jihad; psycho; sjs; spontaneousjihad; syndrome
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City of brotherly love, indeed.
1 posted on 09/09/2008 10:48:18 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: Puppage

This sounds alarmingly similar to the Canadian guy who decapitated a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus.


2 posted on 09/09/2008 10:51:11 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Puppage

He’s just getting a head start on his response to an Obama loss.


3 posted on 09/09/2008 10:51:34 AM PDT by mancini
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To: Puppage

I’m not surprised that unarmed people would hesitate to take on a raving madman armed with a dangerous weapon.

What are the laws in Philly, in PA? What is the liklihood that someone was carrying?

This is precicely the situation concealed carry is intended to solve.

“For five long minutes...” vs 30 seconds, “Stop or I will shoot you!”


4 posted on 09/09/2008 10:52:07 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Puppage

Victim was probably lisntening to/singing Sweet Home Alabama or wearing a McCain/Palin button.


5 posted on 09/09/2008 10:53:10 AM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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To: Puppage

Did this happen in New Philadelphia or the old Philsdelphia?


6 posted on 09/09/2008 10:53:21 AM PDT by i_dont_chat (The elephant is dancing for the lady from Alaska)
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To: Puppage

“received several staples and sutures and was discharged,”

With hammerblows to his head? Well, it does not say how long he was in ER, but usually they watch you for quite a while if your head has been knocked about.

As for the guy and the kid, the Malvo guys come to mind.


7 posted on 09/09/2008 10:54:33 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Puppage

Philly should have fear in their hearts about the little boy.


8 posted on 09/09/2008 10:54:34 AM PDT by itsthejourney (Sarah-cuda IS the right reason)
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To: Puppage
City of brotherly love, indeed.

Say what you will about New Yorkers, but the one time I saw a potentially violent incident on a NY subway, it turned out quite different. A guy with clear mental issues started harassing and pushing a couple of 12-year old girls. The only other people on the car were me, my friend and a couple of ghetto looking guys. Before we could even react, the two ghetto guys got up, grabbed the crazy dude, put him in a headlock and threw him out of the car as soon as it pulled into the next station.

9 posted on 09/09/2008 10:55:25 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Puppage
Through it all, disgusted investigators said, at least 10 passengers stood by and did nothing as the random attack moved from the train to the platform, when the hammer-wielding maniac tried to push his victim down onto the train tracks. When the beating was finished and the suspect fled with the little boy, the victim staggered back onto the train, bloodied, confused and alone, said Detective Kenneth Roach, of Central Detectives. And even then, no one tried to help him.

That wouldn't have been the case if there'd been any soldiers or Marines on the train. The psychopath would have been incapacitated--if he was lucky.

10 posted on 09/09/2008 10:55:26 AM PDT by American Quilter (The urge to save humanity is nearly always a cover for the urge to rule. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Puppage

The attacker is a McCain/Palin supporter, no doubt. [/sarc]


11 posted on 09/09/2008 10:55:35 AM PDT by Ignatz (Why not enjoy the occasional swede?)
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To: Citizen Blade
Say what you will about New Yorkers

I married one from Brooklyn!

12 posted on 09/09/2008 10:56:53 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

“listening to his iPod.”

Possibly a deranged laid off Microsoft Zune employee?


13 posted on 09/09/2008 10:57:29 AM PDT by garyhope (It's world war IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam. VRWC. TWP.)
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To: Puppage
A similar incident happened to me on the CTA years ago, only in my case the attacker had a pipe which I knocked out of his hands before I slammed his head several times into a platform girder.

No one lifted a finger to help me, no one lifted a finger to stop my attacker as he ran off, no one asked me if I was OK after getting clocked twice with a pipe.

And I am going to guess that the SEPTA demographics were the same as my CTA demographics: a black man assaulting a lone white man in a crowd of black people.

Can you figure out why no one helped?

14 posted on 09/09/2008 10:57:33 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Citizen Blade

>>Before we could even react, the two ghetto guys got up, grabbed the crazy dude, put him in a headlock and threw him out of the car as soon as it pulled into the next station.<<

Sometimes Angels don’t come in white flowing robes. Lord love the,!


15 posted on 09/09/2008 10:58:54 AM PDT by netmilsmom (An Obama win? Move to AK, secede, drill, drill, drill!!!!!!)
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To: Puppage

It’s nice to live in a small town. I’m not bitter at all.


16 posted on 09/09/2008 11:00:31 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Our VP candidate has more balls than their POTUS candidate and their VP.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
This sounds alarmingly similar to the Canadian guy who decapitated a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus.

I thought the exact same thing, only here in America! I am disgusted, WTF is wrong with people? Have we become Canadianized?

17 posted on 09/09/2008 11:01:15 AM PDT by Paradox (Obama, the Audacity of Hype.)
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To: wideawake

Yikes!

I’m glad you’re okay. Wow!


18 posted on 09/09/2008 11:01:23 AM PDT by netmilsmom (An Obama win? Move to AK, secede, drill, drill, drill!!!!!!)
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To: netmilsmom

the,!=them!


19 posted on 09/09/2008 11:02:13 AM PDT by netmilsmom (An Obama win? Move to AK, secede, drill, drill, drill!!!!!!)
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To: wideawake
Can you figure out why no one helped?

Because people only care about themselves and could care less about anyone else. Next time you hold a door open for someone, see if they thank you.

20 posted on 09/09/2008 11:02:42 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

The Canadian guy was a Muzzie.

I wonder if this nut was, too.


21 posted on 09/09/2008 11:03:45 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: netmilsmom
Sometimes Angels don’t come in white flowing robes. Lord love the,!

They were two guys who looked like the people you want to cross the street to avoid, but they reacted and did the right thing while us two upstanding citizens were still trying to figure out what was happening.

22 posted on 09/09/2008 11:03:48 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Puppage
Err, maybe this one wasn't so random after all. Ran into a weird thing doing a Google News search on : From article at http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/take_action&id=6371788 "20-year-old Dewayne Taylor says after he left his job as a lab technician at the University of Pennsylvania, he got on the SEPTA North Broad Street . . ." But as displayed on the list of hits (and probably an earlier version): 20-year-old Dewayne Taylor says after getting off work as a lab animal technician at the University of Pennsylvania, he boarded the SEPTA North Broad Street ... And I couldn't find any other articles mentioning the animal lab issue. Is UPenn pressuring the police and media to cover up a possible animal lab connection? Do they not want people asking questions about what's going on in this lab? If they have nothing to hide, then why don't they want the public info including the clue that the attacker may be an animal rights extremist?
23 posted on 09/09/2008 11:06:50 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Puppage
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24 posted on 09/09/2008 11:07:17 AM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Citizen Blade

And the girls were saved.

But don’t belittle yourself for not reacting soon enough. I’m not sure what I would have done either.


25 posted on 09/09/2008 11:10:00 AM PDT by netmilsmom (An Obama win? Move to AK, secede, drill, drill, drill!!!!!!)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Huh? The Canadian attacker was Chinese, having gotten Canadian citzenship only 2 years earlier. It’s extremely unlikely that he was any sort of Muslim.

But see my other post, suggesting that this one may be a totally different brand of nut.


26 posted on 09/09/2008 11:11:23 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Paradox

What, you thought cowardice was a uniquely canadian instutution? At least the Canadians actually stopped the guy from escaping. Those folks didn’t even do that...


27 posted on 09/09/2008 11:11:26 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Puppage

And people wonder why Philadelphia is losing population while the burbs around there grow.


28 posted on 09/09/2008 11:12:02 AM PDT by ikka
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To: Puppage
City of brotherly love, indeed.

You have to use the term as Obama does. You see, when he says that we are our brother's keeper, he means that GOVERNMENT is your keeper and that government is the one who takes care of things like this. Don't bother yourself, just call the cops and hope that the maniac doesn't turn on you before the cops get there.

29 posted on 09/09/2008 11:12:21 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
The Canadian guy was a Muzzie.

The guy who chopped of that poor kid's head on the Greyhound bus? IIRC, he was a member of a Christian church (can't remember the denomination).

30 posted on 09/09/2008 11:12:32 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Puppage

“Roach described the attacker as “very dangerous”
Well, with that description being aired, he’ll be in custody
in no time!


31 posted on 09/09/2008 11:12:47 AM PDT by Fireone (Will the next Ronald Reagan please stand up!)
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To: Puppage

“whipped out a double-claw hammer...” I almost expected a phrase like Assault Hammer with a dramatic statement like this. If this was in England, the media shills would already be pushing a hammer registration.
Sad days indeed, when hammers are outlawed, only outlaws will be carpenters


32 posted on 09/09/2008 11:13:50 AM PDT by nin_kasi
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To: Citizen Blade

If they were from the ghetto, they were probably used to having to react quickly to violence. Most people who don’t have much experiance of violence are more prone to be temporarily paralysed with shock before they can do anything. Just different circumstances...


33 posted on 09/09/2008 11:15:00 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: netmilsmom
I’m glad you’re okay. Wow!

The first blow hurt and left a nice mark. I was prepared for the second and only got tagged. On his third try I grabbed the pipe, but grabbing it hurt so much that I couldn't maintain my grip and it fell.

He went to back me up against a platform girder but I grabbed him by the throat and spun his head into the girder - while he was stunned I tried to knock him unconscious against the girder but he managed to pull my hands off his neck after a few seconds and took off running.

At that point I was winded and weak and didn't follow very far.

I shouted for someone to stop him. No one moved and one guy laughed at me.

But thanks for the kind words, it could have been much, much worse.

That was one of the three really bad experiences I had on Chicago's South Side.

34 posted on 09/09/2008 11:16:00 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
If they were from the ghetto, they were probably used to having to react quickly to violence. Most people who don’t have much experiance of violence are more prone to be temporarily paralysed with shock before they can do anything. Just different circumstances...

I had the same thought- growing up in a bad neighborhood, you probably get more chances to deal with violent situations.

It's how Israelis know to hit the ground when they hear gunfire or an explosion, while Americans tend to stand and stare with their jaw on the ground. Just practice.

35 posted on 09/09/2008 11:17:41 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Puppage

Good point.


36 posted on 09/09/2008 11:18:07 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Paradox

The Greyhound attacker seems to be a real mental health case, and last I heard everybody who’d ever dealt with him was shocked and said they’d never seen a hint of a problem with him. In his first court appearance he quietly begged the court “Please kill me”. He’d only come to Canada from China a couple of years earlier, and I really have wonder what had happened to him in China that might have damaged his mind. He’s now said to be cooperating fully with the professionals doing his court-ordered psychiatric assessment.

The worrisome thing in both cases is not so much the attacker, but the reaction of the many witnesses. In both cases, the other passengers could have stopped the attack much sooner, but didn’t (though in the case of the Greyhound attack, it might have been too late for the victim after the first few seconds).


37 posted on 09/09/2008 11:18:44 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

I love living in a small town. I don’t miss being close to the city at all.


38 posted on 09/09/2008 11:20:27 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

“The Canadian guy was a Muzzie.”

Actually he was of Chinese descent...maybe a convert....


39 posted on 09/09/2008 11:22:35 AM PDT by thinking
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To: Puppage

Kitty Genovese


40 posted on 09/09/2008 11:43:32 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: garyhope
Possibly a deranged laid off Microsoft Zune employee?

Hey!!

I'll have you know there are exciting things happening in the Zune world!

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10035470-56.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.0

That said, ban hammers in Philly!

 

41 posted on 09/09/2008 11:45:03 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Puppage

Was the little boy’s name Damien, I wonder?

I can’t imagine just sitting around doing nothing while someone is vicously attacked. Someone on that train should have at least been carrying pepper spray!


42 posted on 09/09/2008 11:45:05 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Puppage

Or, as we call it here in Philly, “Thursday”.


43 posted on 09/09/2008 11:46:24 AM PDT by Sterm26 (Death before Dhimmitude!)
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To: Little Pig
Kitty Genovese

Case in point

44 posted on 09/09/2008 11:47:09 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Little Pig

And the guy who killed her is still alive too.


45 posted on 09/09/2008 11:47:40 AM PDT by Borges
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To: wideawake
And I am going to guess that the SEPTA demographics were the same as my CTA demographics: a black man assaulting a lone white man in a crowd of black people.

Victim here appeared to be a young black man. There's a surveillance video clip at the link. Everybody cleared the area once the assailant started beating on the poor guy.

46 posted on 09/09/2008 12:01:48 PM PDT by dbwz
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To: Puppage
The attacker - a bearded, stocky, 5-foot-9-inch black man who wore a yellow shirt and black pants

Another person suffering from ObamaMania.

47 posted on 09/09/2008 12:04:20 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Amazing how Obama, Rangel, Biden and Dodd all got killer mortgage rates and below cost property.)
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To: dbwz

I stand corrected.


48 posted on 09/09/2008 12:12:40 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: ikka

Unfortunately, the Dems are moving out my way in droves.
And bringing with them some of their baggage.


49 posted on 09/09/2008 12:27:46 PM PDT by donnab (some people use change to promote their careers...others use their careers to promote change.)
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Obama must speak out agiasnt hammers we MUST ban all hammers in the USA!!!!!!!


50 posted on 09/09/2008 12:57:21 PM PDT by mikebeam (Screwdriver salesman)
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