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Outrage:"The Big Red One" as a FASHION STATEMENT???
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=171143 ^ | 9/10/08 | breitbart tv

Posted on 09/10/2008 12:45:45 PM PDT by gimme1ibertee

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To: Citizen Blade
People don't generally wear logos or symbols of things they despise or don't respect. People are going to wear these logos because they believe the unit it represents is a good thing.

A few weeks ago, when I was looking for a new hat (I'm not a baseball cap type). I happened into an army-navy store that had all kinds of military-type clothing. I found a hat with a US Marine logo on it, which I really liked. But I thought about how I would feel wearing it and running into an actual Marine. I would feel like a penny waiting for change.

I guess it's too much like the "All hat and no cattle" thing -- "all hat and no glory."

It just didn't sit right with me, so I didn't buy it.

22 posted on 09/10/2008 1:36:36 PM PDT by Maceman (If you're not getting a tax cut, you're getting a pay cut.)
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To: Domandred

Sears really does not have to pay the Army anything for using the patch since legally the U.S. government CANNOT copyright, trademark, or receive royalites for anything ever produced or generated using public funds, including historic military unit insignia and logos.


23 posted on 09/10/2008 1:37:01 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
As far as unit patches being used to market clothes, I'd kind of see it like a pro football player would see some kid wearing his team's jersey.

Exactly. I have a Carolina Panthers tire cover on my Jeep anda Panthers ballcap (and a Panthers jersey, keychain, T-shirt, etc LOL)but I've never played for the Panthers. I'm merely showing my support for that team. It's no different with someone wearing a unit patch logo shirt.

It'd be different if Sears was marketing something that could be mistaken for a uniform, or, like you said, the actual tabs, patches, medals, etc. I don't mind seeing someone wear a shirt with the jump wing logo on it to show they support the Airborne, but I would certainly have a problem with them wearing actual jump wings.

24 posted on 09/10/2008 1:37:39 PM PDT by Terabitten (Proud Hokie, bitterly clinging to his guns and religion...)
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To: bigbob

Won’t happen...see my post #23.


25 posted on 09/10/2008 1:38:32 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: gimme1ibertee

Sorry folks - I just don’t get it. I’m a BIG FAN of the Army (and all the other branches as well) and I’d be happy as a clam to wear unit patches on my clothing. How am I different from a NY Giants fan? I’m not pretending to be a Marine or Airman, I’m celebrating their existence.


26 posted on 09/10/2008 1:39:11 PM PDT by omaoilaodha
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To: Gamecock

I wear a Big Red One patch on my right sleeve from my year in Iraq. There is nothing on my uniform of which I am more proud. I think it would be very cool to be able to see and wear the insignia on clothing. The First Infantry Division has a great history. Anything that celebrates and calls to mind that history is a good thing.


27 posted on 09/10/2008 1:39:12 PM PDT by CHIEF K
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To: jjm2111

“But selling unit patches, IMO, is a no-no.”

Unclassified, tax-payer funded, public property. No foul.

As long as one isn’t trying to misrepresent ones self.


28 posted on 09/10/2008 1:44:44 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Gamecock

Thanks for your service.

Years ago when I joined ROTC at college (mainly because it offered some better classes for some things) they passed out uniforms. Shortly after I got it I wore the shirt with the various patches, etc. on it with jeans to some other class ‘cuz it “looked cool”.

One of the ROTC officer’s came over to me and told me to turn around and go change. You either wear the entire uniform or not at all. (Something tells me he didn’t really care if I was late for my class!)

Not sure that would be the same as a patch on your sleeve though, but I imagine if you were active duty that would be a no -no.

I like the earlier post about running up against a REAL Marine (or member of a unit) and feeling like a penny waiting for change!


29 posted on 09/10/2008 1:48:26 PM PDT by 21twelve (Don't wish for peace. Pray for Victory.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

This has the smell of people who WILL show us all how much they support the troops NO MATTER WHAT, YOU IDIOTS!!!!!!!

Much ado about nothing, but some people just have to have something to grasp onto, I guess...


30 posted on 09/10/2008 1:49:26 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (How 'bout a magic trick? I'm gonna make this pencil disappear...Ta-dah!)
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To: gimme1ibertee

This should appeal to dems, they love pretending they were in the military.


31 posted on 09/10/2008 1:49:47 PM PDT by JZelle
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To: gimme1ibertee

Why are they leaving “Patton’s Own” out?


32 posted on 09/10/2008 1:53:16 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Save the planet...it is the only known one with beer!)
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To: 21twelve
Years ago when I joined ROTC at college (mainly because it offered some better classes for some things) they passed out uniforms. Shortly after I got it I wore the shirt with the various patches, etc. on it with jeans to some other class ‘cuz it “looked cool”.

I doubt whatever they end up making here would be mistaken for an actual uniform. We're probably talking about t-shirts, tank-tops and baseball caps, maybe some backpacks.

I think this is good for the integration of the military into our greater society- with so few people in the military as a proportion of our society, there is the fear that the military could become seen as something separate from greater American society. Selling clothes like this could well serve to mainstream military symbols and get civilians thinking more about the military and its history.

33 posted on 09/10/2008 1:59:10 PM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: razorback-bert
***Why are they leaving “Patton’s Own” out?***

Why are they inactivated.

Coolest wear of a unit patch in the Army, IMHO.
(For those of you who don't know, that patch was worn over the left breast pocket on the BDU. Very cool)


34 posted on 09/10/2008 2:00:28 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Terabitten
"I have a Carolina Panthers tire cover on my Jeep anda Panthers ballcap (and a Panthers jersey, keychain, T-shirt, etc LOL)but I've never played for the Panthers. I'm merely showing my support for that team. It's no different with someone wearing a unit patch logo shirt."

Yep...You're not misrepresenting yourself as a Panthers, and I don't think anyone would argue that you had to "earn" the right to wear a Panther's Jersey.

Now on the other hand, If you were to show up somewhere wearing a superbowl ring that has to be earned, well that would be entirely different...



...nobody would mistake you for a Panther for sure!! ;-)

35 posted on 09/10/2008 2:14:28 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: skooldayz
"It could be the patch used for 0bama’s youth corp uniforms."

That's the "Big Pink Zero."

36 posted on 09/10/2008 2:24:24 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: jjm2111

Agreed.


37 posted on 09/10/2008 2:55:03 PM PDT by GVnana ("The American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery.")
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To: gimme1ibertee

No mission too difficult. No sacrifice too great. Duty First!


38 posted on 09/10/2008 3:09:10 PM PDT by csmusaret (McCain and Obama represent the evil of two lessers.)
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To: Maceman

Same here. A while ago, I was looking thru a Catalog and saw a Vietnam Era Jacket{ the ones with a slash pockets}. They looked really cool, but I didnt buy it because I would have felt funny wearing it.
When you wear something like that and didnt earn it, it cheapens it.


39 posted on 09/10/2008 4:08:26 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (Running isnt a plan:Running is what you do when a plan fails.)
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To: Yorlik803
I arrived at Ft. Riley in April l967. I will never forget what it was like driving up on the Hill where they all left from. It was like a ghost town, but the awesome overwhelming feeling of pride and solemness that took place in me I will never forget. To make light of that I would not like to see.
40 posted on 09/10/2008 4:33:49 PM PDT by easternsky
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