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Homosexual U.K. Documentarian Says Gay Lifestyle a "Sewer" of Degrading Sex, Drug Abuse and Misery
LifeSiteNews ^ | 9/10/08 | Hilary White

Posted on 09/10/2008 3:37:46 PM PDT by wagglebee

LONDON, September 10, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A British homosexual journalist admits that his documentary on the London gay scene is likely to "burn every bridge in the gay world I've got."

Simon Fanshawe is a writer and broadcaster who created the documentary "The Trouble With Gay Men" after becoming increasingly alarmed at the shallowness and destructiveness of the "gay lifestyle." The film, made for BBC 3 television, questions the emotional and psychological immaturity, narcissism, nihilism and self-destructive tendencies of many in the homosexual community. Fanshawe says he wants homosexual men to "grow up" and get beyond their state of "extended adolescence."

Fanshawe, who was involved in the early homosexualist political movement, says, "We've fought discrimination and prejudice, only to wreck ourselves with drugs and wild sex."

In his documentary Fanshawe admits that the homosexualist movement has in the main achieved its political goals of equalising homosexuality with natural sexual relations, in abolishing laws against sodomy and creating legal equivalency with marriage and adoption. Given these achievements, Fanshawe asks, "Why do we seem hell bent on behaving like eternal teenagers?"

"We're hooked on vanity, and regard older men with contempt. Despite AIDS we're still chasing the ultimate sexual high and what's more are determined to wreck ourselves on designer drugs. We're happy to assist the straight world in keeping alive the image of all gay men as limp-wristed queens."

He says that he has recently "started to worry" about the ways in which "gay liberation is celebrated" in his hometown of Brighton, a major centre of the homosexual subculture. At the annual "Mr. Gay" beauty pageant, which he describes as a "pathetic display of self-delusion", Fanshawe tells a contestant, "I'm old enough to remember when all those women were fighting against Miss World...What we're all saying about ourselves is that actually to be really gay, properly gay, what you've got to be is cute, and young."

"Extreme vanity" he says, has been "sewn into gay culture." It "is now so mainstream in the gay community that otherwise intelligent young men are happy to be treated as sex objects on a demeaning meat rack."

Gay men, he says, are so "hardwired" towards finding casual sexual encounters, some going as far as plastic implants to enhance their appearance, that finding genuine intimacy is "practically impossible."

"Vast amounts of our leisure time are organised around sex, straight or gay. But what gay men have done is organise our identity around sex. And that is corrosive. And to make things worse, promiscuity has become the norm."

The documentarian asks the proprietor of a gay sex bath house, "Paul", who had just related some graphic stories of group sexual encounters in the establishment, "Are we just swimming around in a sewer which we're just sort of saying is normal?"

For objecting to the lifestyle of pursuing casual and "extreme" sex and for holding genuine human intimacy as a goal, Paul told Fanshawe that he is "the closest thing to a straight person in a gay man's body I have ever met. There should be an operation for you, dear."

Paul was adamant and forthright in his belief that the gay lifestyle is incompatible with happiness and fidelity in human relations, expressing his dissatisfaction with civil unions legislation. "The temptation of other things will always stand in the way of two gay men having a long-term, loving, caring relationship."

Fanshawe says he is horrified at the lack of emotional involvement and at the willingness of men to engage in "unsafe sex." The film includes statistics that show the deadly consequences of the homosexual lifestyle. One in nine gay men in London is HIV infected and new cases of HIV have doubled in the city in five years. Incidences of syphilis have increased in the same time period 616 per cent.

"Unsafe" sex, he says, is not the only way in which gay men are self destructive. "If there's a new drug, gay men will find it and take it," he states.

At one point Fanshawe interviews a homosexual man who has "done all the drugs" and now campaigns in gay clubs against the growing use of crystal methamphetamine. The man, who could not be identified for fear of reprisals from drug dealers, said that crystal meth is preferred in the gay community because it reduces the inhibitions and allows sex to be brought to an "animalistic" level "devoid of emotion." The film says that one in five gay men in London use crystal meth.


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Finally someone is honest.
1 posted on 09/10/2008 3:37:47 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

“...Homosexual U.K. Documentarian Says Gay Lifestyle a “Sewer” of Degrading Sex, Drug Abuse and Misery...”

Tell us something we didn’t already know.


2 posted on 09/10/2008 3:38:58 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Common sense and common decency are uncommon virtues among America's left.")
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3 posted on 09/10/2008 3:39:07 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Yuck.


4 posted on 09/10/2008 3:40:13 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("McCain and Palin: The Normal People Revolution" ~ rrrod)
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To: wagglebee

Yes finally! I swear it is frustrating, people are so deceived on this issue. I could go on and on about it.


5 posted on 09/10/2008 3:40:34 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: wagglebee

Alternate title: “Being Andrew Sullivan.”


6 posted on 09/10/2008 3:41:15 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: wagglebee

I have several friends who are homosexual - they are the most unhappy people I know. They pretend they’re happy, but I can see the sadness inside of them. I pray for them & try to be a friend to them, but have made it clear that I don’t want to hear about the things they do. It’s very disturbing and pathetic.

Almost all of them have fathers that were absent at key times in their childhood - it’s like there’s a developmental phase that they never achieved & it’s haunting them for the rest of their lives.


7 posted on 09/10/2008 3:46:41 PM PDT by alicewonders (Sarah Palin is the face of America's future.)
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To: wagglebee
what gay men have done is organise our identity around sex.

Exactly! That is the thing that is very offensive. Responsible adult heterosexuals have a lot else going on in their world besides the fact that they have sex. But the politics of homosexuality acts as though the sexual dimension of their society is the only thing that matters.

8 posted on 09/10/2008 3:49:15 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: wagglebee

How do you know you’re at a gay barbeque?


9 posted on 09/10/2008 3:49:27 PM PDT by pipecorp
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To: wagglebee

Documentarian Simon Fanshawe can certainly expect to receive rave reviews, be lionized on campus, and win as many awards as Michael Moore. Well, almost.


10 posted on 09/10/2008 3:51:32 PM PDT by RazzPutin ("You have told us more than you can possibly know." -- Niels Bohr)
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To: pipecorp

Okay.... how?


11 posted on 09/10/2008 3:51:43 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: wagglebee

The segment of homosexuals who live long term monogamous relationships, is not living the lifestyle this guy describes. The public activist types who are on the prowl are.

All granting these activists a right to marriage will accomplish, is to destroy the concept of marriage.

Already in California, the marriage licenses refer to party a and party b. That’s what homosexual marriage will achieve across the board. Not no. Hell no!


12 posted on 09/10/2008 3:52:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: Rummyfan

All the hot dogs taste like sh@t.


13 posted on 09/10/2008 3:52:49 PM PDT by pipecorp
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To: wagglebee
"Extreme vanity" he says, has been "sewn into gay culture." It "is now so mainstream in the gay community that otherwise intelligent young men are happy to be treated as sex objects on a demeaning meat rack."

Homosexuality has always been about narcissism. They want to have sex with someone just like themselves. And with the mainstreaming of homosexuality, they add to that the Look at me! I'm different! I'm special! factor.

14 posted on 09/10/2008 3:54:40 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: wagglebee

Thank you for the post. We have added the link to our site:

http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/gay-rights


15 posted on 09/10/2008 3:58:00 PM PDT by grumpa (VP)
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To: wagglebee

The stories my wife tells me about homosexuals is freaking unbelievable.

She’s an ER nurse in one of the largest gay communities in the nation.

The stuff they do to themselves and the ensuing CONTAGIOUS medical disasters is scary.


16 posted on 09/10/2008 3:59:03 PM PDT by NoLibZone (All Democrats must be rationed fuel to reduce their hypocrisy about global warming.)
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To: wagglebee
...questions the emotional and psychological immaturity, narcissism, nihilism and self-destructive tendencies of many in the homosexual community. Fanshawe says he wants homosexual men to "grow up" and get beyond their state of "extended adolescence."

I am the farthest thing from a gay basher, but this filmmaker has hit the nail on the head.

17 posted on 09/10/2008 4:00:33 PM PDT by Clemenza (Barack Obama: Black and White and RED all Over)
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To: wagglebee

Oh the shock! I’m SO surprised! I NEVER had any inkling of this...not in a MILLION years!!!


18 posted on 09/10/2008 4:05:04 PM PDT by J40000
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To: wagglebee

Maybe Gay Marraige would be like Straight Marraige and lead to less sex


19 posted on 09/10/2008 4:06:28 PM PDT by woofie
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To: wagglebee
But what gay men have done is organise our identity around sex.

Seriously, though, what kind of blinding flash of the obvious is this? Homos are solely defined by their sexual preferences--that's the only true difference between them and normal people. How else would they organize their identities?

20 posted on 09/10/2008 4:06:59 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (How 'bout a magic trick? I'm gonna make this pencil disappear...Ta-dah!)
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To: DoughtyOne

“The segment of homosexuals who live long term monogamous relationships”

I’ve met a few who do. But, I’ve met a lot more who don’t (unless you count a 5 minute tryst in a bath house as a long term relationship).


21 posted on 09/10/2008 4:08:06 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: sailor4321

I’ve met homosexuals in long term relationships and they still have plenty of additional 5 minutes trysts.


22 posted on 09/10/2008 4:09:45 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Clemenza

What nail head was missed though is that that excessive self-sexual indulgence to and past the point of constant self-degradation is intrinsic to male homosexual sex. When it doesn’t happen to a person — that’s the rare case, that’s the very uncommon exceptional case. That is what the bathhouse boss knew too, for he said it.


23 posted on 09/10/2008 4:10:45 PM PDT by bvw
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To: wagglebee
Homosexual U.K. Documentarian Says Gay Lifestyle a "Sewer" of Degrading Sex, Drug Abuse and Misery

This is Britain. He should expect to be soon charged with violating someone's civil rights for having spoken the truth. Watch. Wait. It will happen.

24 posted on 09/10/2008 4:12:51 PM PDT by E. Cartman (GOP Convention 2008: Nothing but "The Emperor's New Clothes" redux.)
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To: sailor4321

I know what you mean. I don’t know how to estimate the numbers. One segment is very loud and visual, and the other is for the most part reserved and embarrassed by the other segment.


25 posted on 09/10/2008 4:13:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: wagglebee

In truth, many homosexuals have terrible health and psychological problems generally unrelated to their sexuality at all. Often they assume that these are interrelated with their sexuality, but they aren’t.

Because psychological problems are complex, it is easier to just point out the statistically much higher rate homosexuals have of serious physical problems than do the population as a whole. Birth defects, neurological diseases, genetic disorders, severe acute and chronic health problems unrelated to sex at all.

But add to these the fairly ordinary statistics of mental illness, and you will find much higher incidence of clinical depression (the #1 mental illness), schizophrenia, manic depression, bipolar disorder, and assorted neuroses. Often they assume that these are related to their sexuality, but in many cases they are not.

This does mean that their efforts to rationalize them to their lifestyle or keeping them “in the community” is asking for problems, as it would for anyone not having proper health care.


26 posted on 09/10/2008 4:17:00 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: wagglebee

When I read this I thought of Lucifer who was totally in love with himself. These men, in particular, are SO in love with themselves (though shalt not make a graven image of Me) that they can’t have sex with the opposite sex because it doesn’t reflect the image of themselves.

I definitely consider homosexuality as being demon possessed.


27 posted on 09/10/2008 4:19:50 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: wagglebee

Wow! who knew?


28 posted on 09/10/2008 4:20:17 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: wagglebee

And the sun rises in the east and water is wet.


29 posted on 09/10/2008 4:20:52 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee
Gay Lifestyle a "Sewer" of Degrading Sex, Drug Abuse and Misery

Who woulda thunk it?

30 posted on 09/10/2008 4:29:06 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (The beauty of conservatism, Sarah Palin.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Of interest to HIV/AIDS and gay lifestyle


31 posted on 09/10/2008 4:29:08 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: wagglebee

Makes one kind of wonder what exactly influences someone to become gay.


32 posted on 09/10/2008 4:29:56 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.stopsidsnow.com)
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To: wagglebee
Fanshawe says he wants homosexual men to "grow up" and get beyond their state of "extended adolescence."

Good luck. Homosexuality is little more than arrested sexual development. Everyone goes through a phase of it, but when they develop normally, it subsides and heterosexual interest replaces it. If the development is halted before the homosexual inclinations are resolved, it remains -- pathologically.

Queers are not much more than overgrown children ... at least sexually. It's no surprise that their other behavior would reflect childish values -- irresonsibility, narcissism, megalomania, incomplete emotional bonding, etc..

33 posted on 09/10/2008 4:33:19 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: wagglebee
Wow. All the pathologies of gay culture, front and center.

"Extreme vanity" he says, has been "sewn into gay culture."

There is a reason that every religion abominates "pride" itself as a sin. It has nothing to do with "intolerance" or "homophobia"--it's just that narcissism is corrosive to the soul (or the psyche, if you prefer). And group narcissism is even worse.

34 posted on 09/10/2008 4:37:55 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("[Obama acts] as if the very idea of permanent truth is passe, a form of bad taste"-Shelby Steele)
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To: AndyJackson
My hat's off to you, Andy.

As a 50-year-old, white, heterosexual father, and recently unemployed, I couldn't have made the point any simpler, except to say, "Why should I care?"

35 posted on 09/10/2008 4:39:22 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: IronJack
Homosexuality is little more than arrested sexual development. Everyone goes through a phase of it, but when they develop normally, it subsides and heterosexual interest replaces it. If the development is halted before the homosexual inclinations are resolved, it remains -- pathologically.

That's a good and I think, accurate, assessment. I've thought the same of child molesters, that they are stuck in their young teen years but that doesn't explain to me how anyone could be sexually attracted to infants and I've wondered about that.

36 posted on 09/10/2008 4:42:52 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (I'm voting for the white woman.)
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To: wagglebee

If there was a heterosexual that was as obsessed about sex as homosexual men are, they would probably been locked up by now.


37 posted on 09/10/2008 4:45:12 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather
If there was a heterosexual that was as obsessed about sex as homosexual men are, they would probably been locked up by now.

BJ Klintoon comes to mind.

38 posted on 09/10/2008 4:46:34 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: HoosierHawk

I wish you Godspeed in finding gainful employment for your financial and mental health.


39 posted on 09/10/2008 4:47:37 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: wagglebee

hmmmm .... should have been locked up by now....


40 posted on 09/10/2008 4:48:25 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: NoLibZone
Absolutely it is scary. Could almost be said AIDS is the least of their worries, without exaggerating. That is exactly why feeding into their fantasies is not only NOT loving, it is irresponsible. Telling kids their lifestyles are normal and healthy is abuse and neglect.
41 posted on 09/10/2008 4:48:41 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: wagglebee

PING = later ref


42 posted on 09/10/2008 4:51:31 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: wagglebee

This will be widely attacked and discredited. Heaven forbid an honest portrayal of this lifestyle.


43 posted on 09/10/2008 4:53:05 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Always Right

At this point, the only people who can credibly criticize the homosexual lifestyle are homosexuals themselves. The rest of us are too easily dismissed as haters, bigots, etc., etc. This guy has performed a service in making this film, but I wonder how much publicity it will receive. Will college kids learn about it? I doubt it.


44 posted on 09/10/2008 5:04:46 PM PDT by beejaa
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To: wagglebee

Mark my words:
Just because you’re gay doesn’t mean you need to hang around with other gay people. It is because of this self-ghettoization that the open-sewer that is the “gay lifestyle” has come into being.
Nip those collectivist impulses in the bud and STAY WHO YOU ARE. You shouldn’t feel alienated because all of your friends are straight; they’re your friends, and what kind of asshole would you be if you dumped them (for a bunch of flamers) just because they were straight?


45 posted on 09/10/2008 5:19:37 PM PDT by ClaudiusI
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To: ClaudiusI

unbelievable.


46 posted on 09/10/2008 5:35:06 PM PDT by Chickensoup ('08 VOTING for the SUPREME COURT that will be BEST for my FAMILY and voting for SARAH PALIN!!!)
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To: wintertime

Well, now that you mention it...

Actually, when the whole gay-marriage thing was kicking off years ago, there were gays who frankly admitted that marriage was the last thing they were interested in since it would cramp their style (so to speak). Their objections were dampened somewhat by the assurance that with “no-fault divorce”, they could get out fairly easily when something “better” came along.


47 posted on 09/10/2008 6:17:50 PM PDT by sailor4321
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To: wagglebee
Paul was adamant and forthright in his belief that the gay lifestyle is incompatible with happiness and fidelity in human relations, expressing his dissatisfaction with civil unions legislation. "The temptation of other things will always stand in the way of two gay men having a long-term, loving, caring relationship."

Duh. Or is that Doh.
A friend of mine is a lesbian. She has had three partners. The first she was with, I think 5 years and then that woman found someone else. Then the second lasted 7 years and she found someone else. Then the last one lasted 17 years, until the woman died. What I learned from listening to her tell her stories was that other than the sexual part of the relationship, each was really just two female "room mates" who became (really) close friends. Especially the last woman. When she was sick and hospitalized, my friend stayed with her all night and went to work every morning. The woman was in hospice when she died. My friend broke down and cried as she told me about her.

I now look at homosexuality differently. If a "gay" couple have a close friendship and like each other as a close friend would, then the 'sex' part is not the most important facet of their relationship. I would call these the "friendship-gay" people.

If a "gay" couple are together just to have "sex" all the time and there would be no relationship without the sex, then they're no different from a prostitute and a pimp, which may be why they get into drugs. There's no "love and caring" in the relationship, it's all for sexual gratification. I call these the "druggie-gay" people. This group is definitely not "happy and gay" and it is this group that Paul was referring to, I think.
48 posted on 09/10/2008 6:27:40 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (The Number of the Beast:"six hundred threescore six." Barack Hussein Obama can translate:"Lucifer.")
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49 posted on 09/10/2008 6:31:26 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: wagglebee

Great find!


50 posted on 09/10/2008 6:32:00 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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