Posted on 09/11/2008 9:55:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Sept 10, 2008 — Astrobiologist David Deamer believes that life can spontaneously emerge without design, but he thinks lay people are too uneducated to understand how this is possible, so he gives them the watered-down version of Darwin’s natural selection instead, which he knows is inadequate to explain the complexity of life. That’s what he seemed to be telling reporter Susan Mazur in an interview for the Scoop (New Zealand). Is the lay public really too dense for the deeper knowledge of how evolution works?...
(Excerpt) Read more at creationsafaris.com ...
Can we have a discussion in which you make a point and we discuss it without changing the topic?
Once again you post falsely about my thinking. Please! Also, you post shows that you do not understand the tax codes. Even if an income tax was enforced (which I did say I supported) payrolls are a deduction and the church would not pay tax on that. It would be the same as now.
Please acknowledge that this is where my complaint originated as I posted in my original post on this topic before you set out on your rants of distortion.
I’m not convinced yet that human females prefer librarians.
Except of course hypocrat (that would be the neo-democrat party) women.
One of these so-called feminists couldn’t bring herself to admit that Palin was a real step forward for women, because she didn’t fit their worldview.
How can you be so critical of the science community when you have so little understanding of its processes.
“Then just lay out the problem, being specific about times, angles and the frame of reference : ) Specifically which time you are talking about, i.e. the time the light is reflected from Pluto or the time your eyes actually see the reflected light, and what your earth based angular references are.” [excerpt]For simplicity, imagine all the planets/sun were stationary, except the earth was rotating 360 degrees per 24 hours.
“If you would read the Feynman reference, you would see that they are all basically the same problem : ) The Feynman reference is a little more complicated of course.” [excerpt]Post a link.
“What is your frame of reference for the 21 arc second discrepancy? I am guessing that you are referring to the earths orbital speed of 30 km/sec to get your 21 arc seconds. If that is the case you are correct, but it should be added the angular component that we are talking about.” [excerpt]Annual aberration(earth's orbit around the sun) is 20.49552 arcseconds, or 0.0056932 degrees.
“It is from the earths rotation of course. We are using the Earth as our frame of reference. If the Earth wasn't rotating the Sun would be stationary, very much like the Earth is stationary to an observer whose frame of reference is the moon. If you were standing on the Moon you would see a stationary, spinning Earth.” [excerpt]Lets say you had a device that had two arrows, one pointing in the direction of the incoming light of the sun, and the other pointing at the gravitation pull of the sun.
“Because we are talking about 'APPARENT' position which is irrelevant to the actual position. At any given time I think I could find two observers on the Earth one of whom could truthfully tell me that the Sun is due East at 90º and the other who could tell me that the Sun is due West at 180º It is a fact, but it is irrelevant to astronomers or anyone else for that matter : ) That is why you don't see it in Wikipedia.” [excerpt]Actually, we are talking about the direction of incoming light from the sun versus the direction of its gravitational pull.
“Slight of hand logic? All you have to do is go outside and pound a stake into the ground pointed at the Sun so that it doesn't have a shadow. Then 8.3 minutes later pound another stake into the ground (with the same origin point) so that it doesn't have a shadow and measure the angle between the two stakes. If you do it accurately enough the two stakes will be a little over two degrees apart. Which is the difference between the apparent position and actual position of the Sun from your perspective on the Earth.” [excerpt]I know what 2.1 degrees looks like.
Since, in one passage, the English translation was inadequate, he’d prefer to throw the whole bible out, or at least require that it not be published in English (like the Chicoms do), ——————MrB
Of course you are misrepresenting my preference. I think that comes under the heading of bearing false witness, one of the sins for which you will be held accountable for.
You remind me of the clown I just saw on Neal Cavuto claiming: “that’s not what I said!!!!!!!” when asked if the richest who already pay the most taxes are NOT patriotic if they don’t pay even more taxes, after HE JUST GOT THROUGH DEFENDING JOE BIDEN FOR SAYING PAYING MORE TAXES IS PATRIOTIC!
Hypocrats, what a buncha loons!
Except for Conan the Librarian.
I gave up on getting an honest answer as to where he was coming from, ie, what he would want us to do about on the inadequate English translation problem.
Mature bible students know that you interpret the fuzzy section in light of the clear passages. Or, when you encounter something you don’t understand, you can go to the “complete” translation of the original language.
I agree. This re-ordering of the Solar system is for the birds.
Who gets to decide these things?
Is science concensus?
Sadly some 'science' seems to be : ( Globul warming springs to mind.
What happens when exactly half agree and half disagree with Pluto’s newfound demotion?
Well then we have a positron/electron creation : )
What happens when someone decides Pluto should lose it’s name all together since it’s no longer worthy?
When you are on a roll, you are on a roll : ) I guess Disney will have to fight it out in court!
That's not what I said and your repeating your lie doesn't make it so. Please post where I said that or go home.
What really ticks me off is that people get sued when they want to think beyond evolution to teach children about it’s warts.
I no of no one that gets sued for that. In fact, there are lots of home schoolers and private (religious) schools that teach that and are not sued. In fact, there are published textbooks that do just that and no one is trying to get them banned by court order.
This truly beats all I’ve ever seen!
The very REASON kids are run off from failed godless govt schools is because we went from no prayer in school to kids being threatened with legal action if they mention Jesus during graduation to removing Christmas from school calendars to other madness godless liberal idiocy.
(Not to mention of just how FAILED they are academically!)
And I think at least 3 cases are on this thread ALONE!
Pluto has been voted off the island.
The distant, ice-covered world is no longer a true planet, according to a new definition of the term voted on by scientists today.
“Whoa! Pluto’s dead,” said astronomer Mike Brown, of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, as he watched a Webcast of the vote. “There are finally, officially, eight planets in the solar system.”
In a move that’s already generating controversy and will force textbooks to be rewritten, Pluto will now be dubbed a dwarf planet.
But it’s no longer part of an exclusive club, since there are more than 40 of these dwarfs, including the large asteroid Ceres and 2003 UB313, nicknamed Xena—a distant object slightly larger than Pluto discovered by Brown last year.
“We know of 44” dwarf planets so far, Brown said. “We will find hundreds. It’s a very huge category.”
A clear majority of researchers voted for the new definition at a meeting of the International Astronomical Union (IAU) in Prague, in the Czech Republic. The IAU decides the official names of all celestial bodies.
The tough decision comes after a multiyear search for a scientific definition of the word “planet.” The term never had an official meaning before.
What Is a Planet Today?
According to the new definition, a full-fledged planet is an object that orbits the sun and is large enough to have become round due to the force of its own gravity. In addition, a planet has to dominate the neighborhood around its orbit.
Pluto has been demoted because it does not dominate its neighborhood. Charon, its large “moon,” is only about half the size of Pluto, while all the true planets are far larger than their moons.
In addition, bodies that dominate their neighborhoods, “sweep up” asteroids, comets, and other debris, clearing a path along their orbits. By contrast, Pluto’s orbit is somewhat untidy.
www.nationalgeographic.com
1. Mr. Behe
Who are the other two?
(which I did NOT say I supported)
School choice is the only fair way to have children educated. Christians are tax payers too.
——Arthur Wildfire! March
I am for school choice. We sent our daughter to one of the best Christian schools in the area. OTOH, the tax breaks for churches should be limited. I have no problem with giving small churches a break but not the mega-churches that that are more business than religion. The biggest example of them all is Obama’s church.-—ColdWater
No you’re not! Not even close! You’re for strict godless liberal control of government run schools and if someone disagrees, then it’s their responsibility to pay for godless liberal schools AND private school.
But I’m curious, if you sent your daughter to a Christian school, isn’t she now hopelessly proselytized? Or is she “full of garbage”? Because this is what you said in post #1038!!!!!
Oh, you mean the class taught by a phys ed instructor that had no training in the sciences or philosophy and the course used only video-tapes which presented the creationist’s side as fact and did not present both sides and the course that argued against evolution by presenting ‘facts’ to the contrary which would make it a ‘science’ course not a philosophy course. Oh yeah, this was not about philosophy but a crude attempt to put out garbage by an unqualified phys ed instructor (who by the way, just happened to be the wife of a local minister and a proponent of creationism). You can teach the garbage all you want. That does not mean you have the right to use taxpayer dollars for that and put out garbage to students in the public school system. ———ColdWater
Why do you suppose they singled out evolution for stickers?
Because it’s the one theory hijacked by godless liberals.
I dare say the ONLY people unable to comprehend that are...surprise surprise.... godless liberals!
Or maybe confused evos... :)
It might be an “emergent” Christian school - you know, Christian in Name Only, 5th Column Christians.
Every path leads to God, most of the tenets of Christianity may or may not be true, and definitely not essential, etc.
They’d get a worldly education with a Christian name on the door.
So you don’t have a problem with tax paying parents deciding what their kids are taught?-—AW!M
That is a stupid question but then I think you were not really asking a question but trying to make an inference so that other readers would think I had made such a position.
—————ColdWater
OH make NO mistake....readers don’t THINK you made such a position......!!!! And they didn’t need such a question to figure it out!
tpanther,
I have to congratulate you. You are a master of deceit, twisting other’s posts and bearing false witness. OTOH, you may just be a troubled soul that can’t keep their facts straight.
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