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BREAKING NEWS: Obama Allegedly Undermined U.S. Foreign Policy in Iraq
The Husaria: For Our Freedom and Yours ^ | 9/15/08 | Winged Hussar 1683

Posted on 09/15/2008 12:35:45 PM PDT by Winged Hussar

Stick a fork in Obama: he's done

The following is in today's New York Post,. The bottom line is that Barack Obama allegedly attempted to undermine official U.S. policy in Iraq, an action that could have endangered thousands of lives as well as regional peace and security, for his own political benefit. We encourage our readers to circulate this story as widely as possible, because it alone should mean the end of Obama's candidacy.

    OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL by Amir Taheri

    WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

    According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

    "He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

    ...Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America. The reason? He fears that the perception of US victory there might revive the Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptive" war - that is, removing a threat before it strikes at America.

We must now ask whether Obama is merely wishing for our country's foreign policy to fail in Iraq, or whether he is working actively to cause it to fail.

Update: More reports on this breaking story Fox News: "Obama Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of U.S. Troops"

(Excerpt) Read more at husaria.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amirtaheri; iraq; islam; loganact; mohammedanism; obama; obamavisit; zebari
We are not attorneys and cannot give legal advice but, were the latter (unauthorized negotiation with a foreign government to undermine the foreign policy of the United States) to be proven, we refer our readers to the following element of U.S. Code Title 18. [Logan Act?]

    U.S. Code Title 18

    § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments

    Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

It won't cost Obama many votes if it stays here at Free Republic, but it will cost him the election if we take it to our Web sites, blogs, letters to the editor, and talk radio.


1 posted on 09/15/2008 12:35:45 PM PDT by Winged Hussar
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To: All

I’m shocked!!!


2 posted on 09/15/2008 12:36:58 PM PDT by ilovekansasnow
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To: Winged Hussar
The big question, is there proof? Our Government probably knows!

Allegations of spying by U.S. rattle Iraq

Anyone know how to use the Freedom of Information Act?

3 posted on 09/15/2008 12:37:00 PM PDT by Sefton (I'M ENERGIZED!)
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To: Winged Hussar

He is denying it. This will go nowhere unless there is some audio or transcript info.


4 posted on 09/15/2008 12:37:06 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Winged Hussar
We must now ask whether Obama is merely wishing for our country's foreign policy to fail in Iraq, or whether he is working actively to cause it to fail.

It's not just Obambi, it's the entire DNC, and its media propaganda wing, trying to make the U.S. fail.

5 posted on 09/15/2008 12:38:02 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: Winged Hussar

Rush was talking about this earlier. We need to push this story.


6 posted on 09/15/2008 12:38:32 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Community Organizers for McCain-Palin now at http://www.cafepress.com/writeside)
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To: Winged Hussar

This article falls under the “Important If True” heading. It needs some better sourcing.

If it’s true, it should be very damaging to Obama with some independent voters.

The Logan Act won’t come into play.


7 posted on 09/15/2008 12:39:42 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (If you don't vote, you don't matter.)
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To: Winged Hussar

This seems like an act of treason.


8 posted on 09/15/2008 12:40:15 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Winged Hussar

The rest of the media will ignore this unless John McCain makes an ad about it.
This is the kind of thing that can put an early end to 0bama.
Not because he tried to undermine US policy and possibly broke the law, but because he broke faith with his supporters, telling them he wants to get troops out ASAP while secretly trying to negotiate with Iraq to keep them there longer.

John McCain must make this ad.


9 posted on 09/15/2008 12:41:58 PM PDT by counterpunch (Jim Jones was a Community Organizer)
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To: indylindy

got a link for the denial? I haven’t seen his comments to this yet.

thanks.


10 posted on 09/15/2008 12:42:13 PM PDT by spacejunkie
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To: indylindy

“He is denying it. This will go nowhere unless there is some audio or transcript info.”

Agreed, confirmation is key.

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-thinks-hes-already-president.html


11 posted on 09/15/2008 12:48:07 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Winged Hussar
This is absolutely OUTRAGEOUS!!!

Amir Taheri should be interviewed in PRIME TIME on the networks to research this charge.

If, in fact, it is true--it is so outrageous, so disgusting, so shameful, so traitorous (not mentioning the hypocrisy),,,,

that if Hussein had an ounce of decency in himself,,,,

he would voluntarily remove himself as a candidate.

12 posted on 09/15/2008 12:48:20 PM PDT by stockstrader (CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN-- 2 northern liberal, Washington insider, lawyer career bureaucrats/s)
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To: indylindy
He is denying it. This will go nowhere unless there is some audio or transcript info.

You're likely right. And given that the MSM isn't inclined to pursue this story, anyway, it looks like it will end up going nowhere.

13 posted on 09/15/2008 12:48:37 PM PDT by AHerald ("Be faithful to God ... do not bother about the ridicule of the foolish." - St. Pio of Pietrelcina)
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To: spacejunkie

audio audio audio audio!!!!

Maybe the Iraq guy has audio!!!!

lets hope!


14 posted on 09/15/2008 12:48:42 PM PDT by Texas4ever (SIT DOWN JUNIOR :))
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To: Winged Hussar

This will be big.... news at 11 I hope


15 posted on 09/15/2008 12:50:44 PM PDT by Texas4ever (SIT DOWN JUNIOR :))
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To: Texas4ever

you would THINK someone recorded the conversation(s). If Obama comes out and says Tamiri(sp) is a liar then, hopefully, that forces the powers within Iraq to cough up proof and bury this guy once and for all.


16 posted on 09/15/2008 12:52:47 PM PDT by spacejunkie
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To: traderrob6
According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July. ... "He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Delivered under oath in a court of law is direct evidence. For the most part, evidence doesn't get any better than that. The transcript itself is sufficient to rebut an Obama denail under oath.

17 posted on 09/15/2008 12:56:22 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Winged Hussar

Nothing new here. Obama and the rest of the pro-terrorists “leaders” have been undermining the military for the last 1/2 dozen years.


18 posted on 09/15/2008 1:00:03 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: AndyJackson
If I had to pick one of them to believe, I pick Zebari.

What reason would he have to lie about something like that?

I mean, what would Zebari have to gain?

Now Obama bin Biden has EVERYTHING to lose if this is true so I would expect his unholyness to lie about it.

19 posted on 09/15/2008 1:05:13 PM PDT by bayliving (Democrats used to be funny. Now they're just plain dangerous.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Obama bloggers are going nuts....I think their heads are spinning....watch it if you are in a cafe near one

they may puke!!

this will end the Obama campaign if we get Audio!!!!


20 posted on 09/15/2008 1:05:16 PM PDT by Texas4ever (SIT DOWN JUNIOR :))
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To: Texas4ever
Maybe the U.S. Dept. of Defense has the Audio!

Allegations of spying by U.S. rattle Iraq

Anyone know how to use the Freedom of Information Act?

21 posted on 09/15/2008 1:09:23 PM PDT by Sefton (I'M ENERGIZED!)
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To: Sefton
Im already doing a dance!
22 posted on 09/15/2008 1:12:37 PM PDT by Texas4ever (SIT DOWN JUNIOR :))
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To: Winged Hussar
Nothing in the MSM, but they are fretting and hand-wringing at the Huffington Post:

Please Barack Say it's Nonsense that You Tried to Stall Troop Withdrawal until after the Elections

Since its now at the HuffPo, the MSM cannot say they didn't know about it.

23 posted on 09/15/2008 1:15:44 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Winged Hussar

“BREAKING NEWS: Obama Allegedly Undermined U.S. Foreign Policy in Iraq”

It’s exactly what he’s been promising he’d do as President.


24 posted on 09/15/2008 1:18:04 PM PDT by Spok (The Sinopian Sage)
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To: Spok

This would appear to be more than just a rumor:

“According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

“He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview.”

The source seems to be legitimate.


25 posted on 09/15/2008 1:20:06 PM PDT by greyfox (If I were a Democrat I'd be pushing for the fairness doctrine too.)
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To: CodeToad

It sounds like a violation of the Logan act.


26 posted on 09/15/2008 1:21:23 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: Winged Hussar
Stick a fork in Obama: he's done

Riiiiight. How many times will we hear this pronouncement between now and November? Sorry Winged, but there's been a dozen things Obama's done that cooked him, but he's still raking in money, advertising, and the Dems are still gonna vote in his favor.

27 posted on 09/15/2008 1:23:29 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: TruthWillWin
It sounds like a violation of the Logan act.

The Logan Act is effectively null and void today.

When there is nobody around with enough spine to enforce the law, it ceases to be the law.

28 posted on 09/15/2008 1:24:01 PM PDT by TChris (Democrats: Where are we going? ...and why am I in this handbasket?)
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29 posted on 09/15/2008 1:27:42 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (What do Obama and Osama have in common?-They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon! - Bill Ayers)
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To: indylindy
He is denying it.

Can you direct us to his denial?

30 posted on 09/15/2008 1:33:54 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Winged Hussar
Stick a fork in Obama: he's done

Although he's having trouble, Zero is far from being done yet and to think/say so would be a big mistake. Without some proof, this will go nowhere. To push it without sources is to act like "0".

31 posted on 09/15/2008 1:40:07 PM PDT by pt17
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To: Sefton

too bad we do not have the conversation on tape. Then it truly would be over.


32 posted on 09/15/2008 1:43:22 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Plutarch

Interesting thought. This may actual hurt him with the left wingers.. He tried to delay the withdrawal, which goes against the left’s mantra of get us out now.

Kind of like the Black Sox scandal from 90yrs ago, say it ain’t so Joe? From Sox fans.


33 posted on 09/15/2008 1:43:35 PM PDT by revtown
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To: Semper911
Politico has the “denial”, although to me it reads more of an “interpretation” of the conversation. He said, He said, etc. (Although they do get in the obligatory McCain is running a sleazy campaign bit.)

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_campaign_contests_Taheri_column.html?showall

34 posted on 09/15/2008 1:48:32 PM PDT by codercpc
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To: Winged Hussar
It has always been the practice of these leftist extremist like Obama and his fellow travelers, that the end justifies the means. Whatever that can be conceived to get control will be used. The McCain photo is a stupid, immature example of how they think, but is in keeping with the Liberal’s ethic. The left’s insanity and stupidity will be on full display until the election, because of their desperation.
35 posted on 09/15/2008 2:02:21 PM PDT by CarryingOn (Che Guevara was a community organizer. That's all I've got to say.)
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To: Semper911

I just heard it from the guy who is covering the Obama camp on Fox news. That was supposedly their initial response.


36 posted on 09/15/2008 2:04:32 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Semper911

A commenter on Ace of Spades posted a link to an MSNBC article by a reporter named Athena Jones, citing a press conference Obama held on June 16, 2008.

FLINT, Mich. — Obama reiterated his commitment to withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq during a telephone conversation this morning with the country’s foreign minister, he told reporters in a 10-minute press conference on the tarmac here.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/16/1146329.aspx

I’m still skeptical of the two sources, but I’m saving the web page just in case.


37 posted on 09/15/2008 2:07:27 PM PDT by VR4
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To: Winged Hussar

But as usual, there will be a huge yawn from the public.


38 posted on 09/15/2008 2:09:12 PM PDT by beckysueb (Drill here! Drill now!)
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To: Winged Hussar

I was wondering if that was legal. That post answered my question. Thank you.


39 posted on 09/15/2008 2:09:41 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Interesting...

Obama is bigger scum than I thought.

This would be a huge “October Surprise” story if it were a GOP nominee.

The arrogance is unbelievable and the action is heinous.


40 posted on 09/15/2008 2:17:08 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Message to radical jihadis. "...step in my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: Winged Hussar
It is on Drudge already!

Send it out in emails to everyone! That's what I do, as I know MSM won't cover it.

41 posted on 09/15/2008 2:26:31 PM PDT by blondee123 (Vote for the HERO, not the ZERO! Is PRESENT a vote???)
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To: greyfox

This item turns out to be true and not just a rumor.


42 posted on 10/11/2008 5:08:17 AM PDT by greyfox (If I were a Democrat I'd be pushing for the fairness doctrine too.)
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