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Commodities ravaged as traders flee risk (Lehman's demise killing commodity speculation?)
Time of London ^ | 09/16/08 | Leo Lewis

Posted on 09/16/2008 7:46:32 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: Red Badger

And, of course: “shipping & handling not included.”


21 posted on 09/16/2008 8:25:11 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Mainstream Media, the Left is Nothing.)
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To: roofgoat

meant $10 a barrel, not gallon


22 posted on 09/16/2008 8:25:46 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: dfwgator

Loved that movie.......esp Jamie Lee...........


23 posted on 09/16/2008 8:25:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you're not part of the solution, then you must be part of the government............)
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To: rightinthemiddle

Not available in NY, AK, HI or PR.........


24 posted on 09/16/2008 8:27:16 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you're not part of the solution, then you must be part of the government............)
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To: Red Badger

“It’s not so much fun when you’re playing with your own money, is it?.............”

Yep.

Playing a game of Monopoly(TM) loses some of its relaxing qualities when you have to ante up in real dollars out of you own pocket.


25 posted on 09/16/2008 8:33:26 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: Geist Krieger

The problem is not speculating, but using one dollar down to buy ten dollars worth of commodity contracts. Since the 1980’s Wall Street has invented leveraging schemes that buy mortgage notes tainted with subprime notes, and in turn another fund uses leverage funds to buy into the leverage funds. Essentially we have a crisis similar to the Savings and Loans crisis. Back then people brought an S&L, borrowed against its equity/assets to leverage buyout an even larger company and use its equity to get another loan and use that money in another leveraged buyout of another larger company until the bubble burst. The key to reform is tighten the regs on leveraging money to buy something very large.


26 posted on 09/16/2008 8:39:25 AM PDT by Fee
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To: Moonman62

I didn’t know that.
I just noticed they had the same sort of fixed value thing going on.
Thanks.


27 posted on 09/16/2008 8:42:54 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Fee
In short, the margin requirements for commodities trading should be MUCH higher, not the 10% it is now. I'll guarantee that if the SEC enforces something like a 30% margin requirement, the speculators will bail out so fast that the price of oil could drop to US$65 very quickly, since nobody wants to pay that high margin requirement to speculate on oil.
28 posted on 09/16/2008 8:48:30 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: Fee
"The key to reform is tighten the regs on leveraging money to buy something very large.

Who cares what people do? The only thing that ties us to imprudent greed and risk, is the government. I say zero regulation.
Regulation, doesn't stop anything, increases costs, and give a implied notion that some how, some way, big daddy government is looking out for little old you.

29 posted on 09/16/2008 8:48:54 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: dfwgator

:-)


30 posted on 09/16/2008 8:50:17 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: RayChuang88
If adults come together, form a market and decide they want to trade, buy, sell on 10%, what's that to you?

The reason they only have to put down, have, ten percent is because at the end of the day, millions of times a week, billions of times a year, everything closes out at 100%. So, if in this particular market, if 999 out of 1,000 of the traders come through, each and every day, and it is their personal private business, amongst themselves, which it is, who are you, or the government to tell them, amongst themselves what to do?

You, anyone, is free to establish your own mercantile market with your own rules, or buy outside the markets or in markets all over the world.

31 posted on 09/16/2008 8:54:54 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Moonman62
Cash? Don't they mean worthless fiat paper?

It's not quite fiat paper. Few people realize that the value of $1 is fixed, under minimum wage law, to 9.16 minutes of mundane (commodity) labor (such as floor sweeping).

32 posted on 09/16/2008 8:56:16 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: Leisler
Arab, Moscow, Iran, Venezuela...one of these clowns would love for the other oil producers to go off production.

Follow that thought to its logical conclusion and you will realize why the russkies have been goading Iran into making a nuke. If we take out Iran = less competition for russkie oil. Iran takes out a chunk of Arab Gulf production = even better for them (since we'll open up the large can of whoop-a$$ after that).

33 posted on 09/16/2008 9:19:58 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Mcwhatshisname/PALIN, '08!!!)
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To: L,TOWM
I agree, not to mention the Russians move in as friend of the Persians/Arabs, against the American puppets of the Jews and such.

Moscow get high oil, a nuked Persia off it's borders, fingers America, and blames the Jews, and buddies up with Arab thugs and gets a no Jihad deal for it's territories.

34 posted on 09/16/2008 9:40:41 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Red Badger

>> You can lose more than your original investment.

The only exceptions are land and gold, which ALWAYS go UP.


35 posted on 09/16/2008 9:47:28 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: Moonman62
Not yet. For a few months, the dollar is king, as all the other more derivative paper assets collapse down to the dollar and short term US Treasuries.

Even the market value of more "real" physical assets such as lead, gold, oil, rice, corn (and houses) is collapsing, because their apparent market value was driven unrealistically high by the inflation of fiat assets.

In volatile markets such as this, one must be careful not to get ahead of, or behind, the curve. Which asset class is in favor changes quickly and unexpectedly. Applying the strategy that will be a winner next quarter to this quarters investment decisions will bankrupt you.

Stay light on your feet; stay inside the decision loop of the forces hammering the markets.

36 posted on 09/16/2008 10:15:19 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Either you forgot the sarcasm tag, or you haven't been watching the price of land and gold as of late.
37 posted on 09/16/2008 10:16:43 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

It’s the first one. :-)
I hoped no tag would be required, but yaneverknow.


38 posted on 09/16/2008 10:44:07 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: Red Badger; rightinthemiddle

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39 posted on 09/16/2008 11:39:42 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (When hopelessness replaces hope, it opens the door to evil.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

The paper value of land and gold can go down, but at least those tangible assets don’t evaporate into thin air like stocks. I may even plant seeds on my land!


40 posted on 09/16/2008 11:43:44 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (When hopelessness replaces hope, it opens the door to evil.)
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