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Deniers for Obama (Abortion, Infanticide Extremist, Charen)
NRO, Creators Syndicate ^ | 9-19-2008 | Mona Charen

Posted on 09/18/2008 11:10:38 PM PDT by unspun

Appearing on C-SPAN last weekend I mentioned that Barack Obama had opposed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act when he was an Illinois state senator — a position he has attempted to deny or obfuscate ever since. The liberal blogger who appeared on the program with me erupted with indignation. She didn’t deny that Obama had opposed the bill. She denied, hotly, that babies are ever born alive after an attempted abortion. Since I have actually met Gianna Jessen, who survived an attempted abortion, I invited viewers to contact me directly if they wanted evidence. My inbox has been bursting.

The denial goes very deep. Any number of e-mailers expressed their contemptuous certainty that “born alive” infants were an invention of pro-life activists. OK, enter “abortion survivors” into your browser and see what you get. Or, if you prefer a traditional media source, consult the Daily Mail in Britain. The Mail has reported that in just the past year 66 infants had been left to die after abortions in Great Britain.

When Congress was considering the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA), a subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee heard testimony from Jill Stanek and Allison Baker, two nurses at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Ill. They described several instances in which babies who were moving and breathing after induced abortions were left to die. The committee report quoted Jill Stanek: “Mrs. Stanek testified about another aborted baby who was thought to have had spina bifida, but was delivered with an intact spine. On another occasion, an aborted baby was left to die on the counter of the Utility Room wrapped in a disposable towel.” The committee report also quoted Shelly Lowe, a lab technician at Bethesda North Medical Center in Cincinnati. A young woman who had undergone just the first cervix-opening phase of a partial-birth abortion gave birth in the emergency room. The doctor placed the 22-week-old baby in a specimen dish to be taken to the lab. According to the report, when Ms. Lowe “saw the baby girl in the dish she was stunned when she saw the girl gasping for air. ‘I don’t think I can do that,’ Ms. Lowe reportedly said. ‘This baby is alive.’” Lowe asked permission to hold the baby until she died. She wrapped the child she dubbed “Baby Hope” in a blanket and sang to her. Breathing room air without any other supports, Baby Hope lived for three hours.

I’ve received a number of letters from viewers. This one caught my eye: “I am a pediatrician. When I was a pediatric resident on a neonatal intensive care rotation, we were routinely called to … resuscitate infants. In one instance I was called to pronounce a baby dead who had been born an hour earlier after a failed abortion. We were not called to resuscitate the baby immediately after the delivery as the intent was abortion. … I write to attest that babies are sometimes born alive after abortion and then put aside to die.”

The BAIPA was designed to ensure that in those rare cases in which a baby marked for abortion happens to survive — that the child will be immediately accorded full human and constitutional rights. The measure passed the U.S. House by a vote 380 to 15 but was blocked in the Senate. When a “neutrality clause” was inserted to the effect that the law should not be construed to limit the scope of Roe v. Wade, the measure was passed by unanimous consent and signed into law in 2002.

At the time, Barack Obama was an Illinois state senator. An almost exact copy of the federal bill was introduced in 2001. Obama opposed it, saying, “I mean it, it would essentially bar abortions because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute.” Even though the baby would be completely separated from the mother. In 2003, the Illinois legislature added a neutrality clause to the bill, making it a virtual clone of the federal legislation. As chairman of the committee considering the bill, Obama again opposed it, saying, “… an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman …”

Barack Obama is a charming and intelligent man. But there is no other way to interpret his position on BAIPA than this: A woman who chooses an abortion is entitled to a dead child no matter what. That is an abortion extremist.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Nevada; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: abortion; baipa; bornalivetruthorg; charen; giannajessen; infanticide; jessen; jillstanek; jillstaneknet; monacharen; moralabsolutes; obamatruthfile; prolife; stanek
You want "dead?"

The Marxist Messiah wants to guarantee it -- after birth -- and five years after the "the right thing to do" is to teach the child sex education.

1 posted on 09/18/2008 11:10:38 PM PDT by unspun
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To: unspun

I guess some Christian voters are actually going to need to see horns sprout from this token’s head before they decide not to vote for him.


2 posted on 09/18/2008 11:16:04 PM PDT by farmer18th (Iraqi Nation Building GWB-Style: "No law that contradicts.. Islam may be established")
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To: unspun

No NORMAL human being could stand there and watch a defenseless baby, gasping for air, die. These people are hateful, evil bass turds. They deny these babies of their constitutional right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Pretty sick people if you ask me.


3 posted on 09/18/2008 11:17:17 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (McCain/Palin '08. For change you won't have to "believe in." You'll be able to see it.)
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To: unspun
...so they can learn plumbing as early as possible...

...so when they reach puberty can conceive as many children as possible...

...and make Planned Parenthood and company as much money as possible...

Follow the money, folks!

4 posted on 09/18/2008 11:18:02 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: unspun
The fact that the MSM is covering for Obama, when he stands for this kind of evil, is unforgivable.

If the American people understood the real character of Barak Obama, they would boil him in oil.

5 posted on 09/18/2008 11:18:04 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: FlingWingFlyer
United States Constitution

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

6 posted on 09/18/2008 11:21:08 PM PDT by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us.")
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To: unspun
But there is no other way to interpret his position on BAIPA than this: A woman who chooses an abortion is entitled to a dead child no matter what. That is an abortion extremist.

Thank you for posting this!

7 posted on 09/19/2008 12:27:40 AM PDT by syriacus (Calling humans "pigs" is second-nature for anti-war radicals, Black Panthers + radical Islamists.)
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To: unspun

I watched a bit of CSPAN with Mona Charen vs a vicous disgusting lefty blogerette. Mona was great and the contrast between her aand the lefty was very stark.
Thanks Mona, good job!


8 posted on 09/19/2008 2:52:32 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: unspun; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; Coleus; Aquinasfan; narses
"At the time, Barack Obama was an Illinois state senator. An almost exact copy of the federal bill was introduced in 2001. Obama opposed it, saying, “I mean it, it would essentially bar abortions because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute.” Even though the baby would be completely separated from the mother. "

How on earth would that have affected Roe vs. Wade or any other abortion? Is there ANY plausible basis at all for Obama's explanation and argument? And even if there were, wouldn't the baby's constitutional right to life trump that? He's saying that he can't vote for a law that protects infants born alive in botched abortions because that might have some impact on Roe vs. Wade? The child is already alive, whatever "right" the mother had to abort the child ended when it left her womb alive. That's just common sense.

9 posted on 09/19/2008 2:59:43 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: syriacus

Pretty much what one would expect from a man trained from childhood by a mix of people who are atheist, or hard core Muslim, or Communist.


10 posted on 09/19/2008 5:16:41 AM PDT by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us.")
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
How on earth would that have affected Roe vs. Wade or any other abortion?

"Original intent" in the interpretation of Barack Obama.

It was originally intended for the child to be murdered, so murdered he must be!

Even if the little guy has managed to be "freed" from his "mom!"

11 posted on 09/19/2008 5:18:55 AM PDT by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us.")
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
“What political issue could possibly outweigh this human devastation” of 40 million deaths through abortion? “The answer, of course, is that there is none. … It is time to put away the arguments of political spin masters that only serve to justify abortion killing. We have heard a great deal this year about the need for change. But at the same time we are told that one thing cannot change – namely, the abortion regime of Roe vs. Wade.

“It is time that we demand real change, and real change means the end of Roe vs. Wade.”

Carl Anderson, Knights of Columbus - Annual Report

Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

12 posted on 09/19/2008 5:47:29 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: unspun
Obama: "and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute.

He poses it as a hypothetical. Everyone would be able to see with their own eyes, as a matter of empirical and scientific fact, that it was a child. Whatever the original intention was, it ended when the child left the birth canal. At that point, it's infanticide (a homicide) which would meet ALL the legal requirements of habeas corpus. For Obama to try to waffle around that is absurd.

13 posted on 09/19/2008 5:54:05 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

“Is there ANY plausible basis at all for Obama’s explanation and argument?”

Of course there is. You just need to read between Barack’s Uh’s Er’s and Ah’s.


14 posted on 09/19/2008 5:54:54 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

This is the same Barack Obama that in one of the Hillary debates, stated that his “chief regret” in Congress is that he didn’t take a stand to kill the measures they took attempting to (afford Terri Schiavo her 14th Amendment right to Life).

He, like Hitler and Himmler has a specific taste for blood of innocents, it would seem.


15 posted on 09/19/2008 6:04:42 AM PDT by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us.")
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To: unspun

Despite the claims, he’s not Christian. The Christian tradition is very clear about the immorality of abortion and euthanasia. The Schiavo case was an immoral and unlawful homicide.


16 posted on 09/19/2008 6:13:41 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: unspun; bboop; Bismark; Black Agnes; blitzgig; Cacique; Capitalism2003; Davis; DoctorMichael; ...

Charen Ping!

Please FReepmail me if you would like to be added to, or removed from, the Mona Charen ping list...

17 posted on 09/23/2008 8:24:36 AM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: unspun; 4lifeandliberty; abigail2; AbsoluteGrace; afraidfortherepublic; Alamo-Girl; ...

Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping

Please FReepmail me if you would like to be added to, or removed from, the Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping list...

18 posted on 09/23/2008 8:27:26 AM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: unspun
Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

Sounds to me like it would be an open and shut case for SCOTUS. I don't think even Anthony Kennedy could obfuscate that wording.

But who will bring the case...???

19 posted on 09/23/2008 9:11:15 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: cgk

I would have a heart attack if he was ever that honest!


20 posted on 09/23/2008 10:03:50 AM PDT by Inclines to the Right (Free Compean and Ramos!)
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To: Lexinom; cpforlife.org; wagglebee; ExSoldier; narses; xzins; Mr. Silverback; jwalsh07; ...
Follow the money in deed! The passage from the pediatrician was revealing, if you know the rest of the story:
“I am a pediatrician. When I was a pediatric resident on a neonatal intensive care rotation, we were routinely called to … resuscitate infants. In one instance I was called to pronounce a baby dead who had been born an hour earlier after a failed abortion. We were not called to resuscitate the baby immediately after the delivery as the intent was abortion. … I write to attest that babies are sometimes born alive after abortion and then put aside to die.”

Here's the rest of the story, as carefully left off by the usual suspects. In the early eighties, as research facilities began paying premium prices for fetal parts, a new way to abort pregnancies was devised which netted the most pristine tissues ... cause premature birth to alive children in the sixteen to 24 weeks age category, let the struggling child die, alone, unattended, then dissect for parts to ship to research programs on wet ice. There was a Senator Smith who brought this to the attention of Congress. His efforts lead to the BAIP Act, but alas, he was from a Northeastern state so he was not returned to the Senate.

So when you say 'follow the money', remember what dammned ghouls these bastards really are. Senators like Boxer, Murray, Harkin, Dodd, Kennedy, et al have used fetal tissue industry dollars to further their campaigns. And if Barack Obama is as intelligent as his handlers would have US believe, you can be absolutely sure that prick knew what industries he was protecting when he opposed the Born Alive Infants Protection Act every chance he got to address the killing-by-neglect abortion method.

Frankly, I am of the opinion that Barack Obama is without moral direction, amoral if you will, because I firmly believe he is a classic sociopath and extremely dangerous for America.

The current democrat party is the most dangerous enemy America has ever faced ... and the deadhead democrat voters--like the 98% black voters who are determined to blindly vote for this dangerous almost black man--are the means by which the enemy will destory US, if they succeed this election cycle.

People huff up when they read such accusations, all of which are founded in actual facts. But ya know, a political party which has used the slaughter of tens of millions of alive unborn--and now we see even purposely premature born--as a means to empower their political capital IS A BLOODY demonspawn in our midst. Should we be surprised that they lie as easily as they breathe?

21 posted on 09/23/2008 10:38:50 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: cgk

Dear Friends,

You are invited to attend an emergency conference call this evening, September 23, at 9:30 PM Eastern (6:30 PM Pacific) to hear abortion survivor Gianna Jessen and nurse Jill Stanek expose the shocking truth about how Barack Obama voted 4 times as an Illinois State Senator to deny lifesaving medical help to infants who were born alive after a failed abortion.

Jill is the nurse who discovered that these helpless babies were being left to die in the dirty utility room along with the trash, and testified before Barack Obama to tell her story. Gianna is the amazing and beautiful woman who herself survived an abortion 31 years ago.

Barack Obama now has the audacity to deceptively deny his own voting record and is personally attacking Gianna and trying to smear her credibility!

Please register below for this urgent conference call (that will also be simulcast on the web) to hear the truth directly from these two courageous women and to help Gianna defend herself from Obama's cowardly personal attacks.

Spread the word and ask all of your friends to join this vital discussion as well. Gianna urgently needs your help, and people need to know the truth about Barack Obama.

Please join us this evening at 9:30 PM Eastern, 8:30 PM Central, 7:30 PM Mountain, 6:30 PM Pacific.

Register to participate in this important event here:


Your call-in and webcast details will be immediately sent to you by e-mail.


22 posted on 09/23/2008 10:52:03 AM PDT by unspun (Tell the truth about Obama to all you know.)
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To: unspun

When you write ‘Please join us this evening’ you need to be more specific, as in the media through which others can get this important discussion. [Like the radio channels, net channels, etc.]


23 posted on 09/23/2008 11:35:14 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: cpforlife.org

Roe v Wade was based on a fraud...

Just ask Norma McCorvey.


24 posted on 09/23/2008 11:57:36 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: cgk

Thanks for the ping!


25 posted on 09/23/2008 12:24:04 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: unspun

Where ???

If you gave us a link it didnt work...


26 posted on 09/23/2008 12:56:10 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (McCain/Palin Now that's a ticket that deserves a tagline)
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To: Tennessee Nana

http://www.bornalivetruth.org

http://www.bornalivetruth.org

http://www.bornalivetruth.org

thanks

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/09/join_conference.html

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/09/join_conference.html

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/09/join_conference.html


27 posted on 09/23/2008 1:27:16 PM PDT by unspun (Tell the truth about Obama to all you know.)
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To: unspun

Thanks...

It was easy to sign up...

:)


28 posted on 09/23/2008 2:33:42 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (McCain/Palin Now that's a ticket that deserves a tagline)
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To: MHGinTN
Marvin,

Please consider making your post 21 am independent thread. More people need to know this.

29 posted on 09/23/2008 4:57:38 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...

PING to post 21. It’s a must read.


30 posted on 09/23/2008 4:58:50 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: unspun; 185JHP; 230FMJ; 50mm; 69ConvertibleFirebird; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ...
Moral Absolutes Ping!

Freepmail wagglebee to subscribe or unsubscribe from the moral absolutes ping list.

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31 posted on 09/23/2008 5:04:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: cpforlife.org

I’ll check the FR archives, but I’m almost certain I’ve written a thread on this a few years ago, while Senator Smith was still in the Senate.


32 posted on 09/23/2008 5:11:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: cpforlife.org

The Jill Stanek link unspun posted [ http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/09/join_conference.html ] has an interview with Bill O’Reilly on the left side of the screen in which Jill Stanek gives Bill a quick explanation of the induced labor abortion method. To go into deeper incentives—such as the fetal tissue dissection program situated at abortion providers doing these ‘proceedures’ for profit—has been discussed on several occasions at FR six to eight years ago. It would be ‘preaching to the choir’ to go over it all again, wouldn’t it?


33 posted on 09/23/2008 5:26:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: cpforlife.org
Go to the SCOTUS Amicus brief and find from page nine and following Sen. Bob SMith's explanation to get a perspective on the evil Obama was trying to protect.
34 posted on 09/23/2008 6:04:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: cpforlife.org

I’ve gone through my links file and found that the threads are no longer available at FR. Draw your own conclusions.


35 posted on 09/23/2008 6:10:58 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: unspun

Saw Mona on the C-Span program - loved the section where some haughty leftist called in and was comparing Palin’s attendance at five colleges including the University of Idaho negatively with Obama’s attending Columbia and Harvard - Mona’s simple response: “you’re a snob”.......


36 posted on 09/23/2008 6:30:42 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: unspun
WE NEED CONSTANT ADS RUN ABOUT THIS WITH IRREFUTABLE DOCUMENTATION. NURSE JILL STANEK, GIANNA JESSEN AND OTHERS MUST GET THE MESSAGE OUT. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT HE IS A COLD HEARTLESS BABY KILLER.
37 posted on 09/24/2008 12:40:03 AM PDT by Bellflower (A Brand New Day Is Coming!)
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