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Dementia patients' 'right-to-die'
BBC News ^ | 9/19/08 | BBC News

Posted on 09/20/2008 2:33:36 PM PDT by wagglebee

Elderly man
People should be able to say if they wish to die, Baroness Warnock says
People with dementia should be able to end their lives if they feel they are a burden to others or to the NHS, according to a respected ethicist.

Baroness Mary Warnock, who has made similar calls in recent years, first made her remarks in a Church of Scotland magazine.

She told the BBC she believed there were many who "sank into dementia when they would very much prefer to die".

But Alzheimer's charities called her remarks "insensitive and ignorant".

Around 700,000 people in the UK have dementia and the number is expected to double within 30 years.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: europeanchristians; euthanasia; healthcare; moralabsolutes; prolife; scotland; socializedmedicine
But she added: "I still think that there is a very huge number of people who sink into dementia and mental incapacity who would really very much prefer to die rather than continue in the state they are in."

And I think YOU personify evil.

1 posted on 09/20/2008 2:33:36 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 09/20/2008 2:34:15 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 09/20/2008 2:34:36 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I expect to get flamed for this, but I have no interest in sticking around once I lose my mental capacity.


4 posted on 09/20/2008 2:35:06 PM PDT by kms61
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To: socialismisinsidious

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5 posted on 09/20/2008 2:35:06 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Interesting how Pope Benedict just spoke about this on Sept 15, 2008. This is an issue near to my heart since my mom has been suffering from dementia since at least 2002.

“People must accept death at “the hour chosen by God,” Pope Benedict XVI told ailing pilgrims Monday in an anti-euthanasia message at Lourdes, the shrine that draws the desperate, sick and dying.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080915/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_pope


6 posted on 09/20/2008 2:39:03 PM PDT by koraz
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To: kms61

“I expect to get flamed for this, but I have no interest in sticking around once I lose my mental capacity.”

I drift in and out of giving a rat’s butt about life. See you in the next life, eh?


7 posted on 09/20/2008 2:39:39 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: kms61
I expect to get flamed for this, but I have no interest in sticking around once I lose my mental capacity.

Ahhh c'mon, look how much fun all those deranged 'Rats are having this election cycle? They're mad as hatters and provide endless hours of entertainment! LOL
8 posted on 09/20/2008 2:43:22 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history.)
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To: wagglebee
People with dementia should be able to end their lives if they feel they are a burden to others or to the NHS, according to a respected ethicist

Anyone whose dementia has progressed to that stage probably does not retain the critical judgment to make such a decision. But what the hell--kill 'em off. The "ethicist" says it's OK.

9 posted on 09/20/2008 2:46:01 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: wagglebee
While abhor any attempt to end the lives of the elderly disabled prematurely, it's also absured to spend beaucoup government bucks for aggresive medical treatment (especially when so many other worthy causes go begging) to keep them around, wandering the halls, their faces in a perpetual vacant stare.

Of course, on the other hand, if you and I have to pay taxes to bail out "blameless" Wall Street billionaires, whyever should we object to keeping people alive past their natural lives folks who would have deceased without extraordinary intervention?

10 posted on 09/20/2008 2:48:55 PM PDT by E. Cartman (America isn't worth protecting with a fence, but MacQueeg's and Bush's estates are???)
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To: hinckley buzzard
But what the hell--kill 'em off. The "ethicist" says it's OK.

It is rather Straussian(Leo), don't you think, a wise vanguard elite deciding the fate of the unwashed masses?

11 posted on 09/20/2008 2:50:52 PM PDT by E. Cartman (America isn't worth protecting with a fence, but MacQueeg's and Bush's estates are???)
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To: wagglebee
If they have dementia they aren't able to make that decision. My parents and my husband's mom have nothing to worry about. It would be an honor and not an inconvenience to help them. I hope I can afford to hire a companion to drive them where they want to go and help them do what they want. If not, we will still make it work. Mom likes fishing, Dad likes flying and MIL likes traveling.
12 posted on 09/20/2008 2:59:13 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: wagglebee

My Grandmother spent 8 + years in a nursing home not knowing who she or any one else was. My mother the same thing. My mother saw it coming and denied it was happening. When/if my time comes I will take action.


13 posted on 09/20/2008 3:01:20 PM PDT by Harry Pothead (One issue voter, who will kill islamofacists?)
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To: USMCPOP

No flaming here but...When it is your time. We all have a purpose .Don’t cheat your grandkids out of enjoying your company, taking you for “walks” drawing you happy pics....learning to care for others.


14 posted on 09/20/2008 3:04:31 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: kms61
I don't believe I have the right to end my life, except to save another. But if you want to die, it's Okay with me. Please, just don't try and involve the medical profession in it or some government entity. Their involvement will surely and ultimately lead to the “duty” to die. There is nothing altruistic about those who advocate for this “right”. This is the 21st century and there are myriad ways to exit without involving others.
15 posted on 09/20/2008 3:05:15 PM PDT by webrover
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To: wagglebee

Do you have the right to enlist your Doctor in your despair?
Do you mind if the hospital or insurance company decides you need to die, because you’re costing them too much money?
Do you mind if greedy relatives decide they need quicker access to your estate or life insurance?


16 posted on 09/20/2008 3:08:03 PM PDT by G Larry ("Disgust" is a valid expression!-Vote Family Values!)
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To: CindyDawg

“No flaming here but...When it is your time. We all have a purpose .Don’t cheat your grandkids out of enjoying your company, taking you for “walks” drawing you happy pics....learning to care for others.”

Sorry, Cindy. It’s just there are days that I get down. Look at my signature line. Half of my chances at grand-kids are dashed, though my wife and I collect children. We have a recent acquisition now, though he’s about grown-up. We’re trying. Keep the faith, as they say.


17 posted on 09/20/2008 3:11:48 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: wagglebee
People with dementia should be able to end their lives if they feel they are a burden to others or to the NHS, according to a respected ethicist.

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Imagine being stricken with dementia and knowing that this is the attitude of those around one. Knowing that one is considered a burden by others. Feeling unloved and unwanted. I could cry.

18 posted on 09/20/2008 3:14:19 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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19 posted on 09/20/2008 3:16:11 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: trisham
Imagine being stricken with dementia and knowing that this is the attitude of those around one. Knowing that one is considered a burden by others. Feeling unloved and unwanted. I could cry.

Precisely. It is disgusting to think that those you love will simply kill you the minute your health declines.

20 posted on 09/20/2008 3:16:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: kms61
I expect to get flamed for this, but I have no interest in sticking around once I lose my mental capacity.

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Bless you, FRiend. I would guess that you have those in your life that would feel differently.

21 posted on 09/20/2008 3:20:31 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: CindyDawg
When it is your time. We all have a purpose .Don’t cheat your grandkids out of enjoying your company, taking you for “walks” drawing you happy pics....learning to care for others.

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Amen. In the last months of her life my grandmother was not in her right mind. I still treasure our times together. They were the best we ever had.

22 posted on 09/20/2008 3:23:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: USMCPOP

I’m sorry. I didn’t see your tag or I would not have posted that to you. Without going into details....I understand your pain. You and your wife are in my prayer.


23 posted on 09/20/2008 3:27:04 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: USMCPOP

I’m so sorry for your loss.


24 posted on 09/20/2008 3:33:11 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

If a person suffers from dementia, he has lost his higher cerebral functions, so any statement he makes concerning a preference to die should have no legal validity whatsoever. Any legal process where such a statement from such a person becomes evidence, let alone evidence in support of euthanasia, is “demented” itself in its basic design.


25 posted on 09/20/2008 3:34:51 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: CindyDawg

Oh, don’t sweat it. It comes and it goes. One day you want to give up, next day you’re pissed off and ready to go. It is essential to have a damned good sense of humor to get by. That, and a perverse survival instinct. Whatever.


26 posted on 09/20/2008 3:35:30 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: kms61

It is easy to say that but it is another thing when the time comes.

I’ve seen people in extreme pain dying of cancer and still they have hope and their family has hope. I’ve known a few people who say what you say and when it came down to it they wanted to live.

The urge to live is a God-given thing and it is hard to overcome.


27 posted on 09/20/2008 3:35:38 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: trisham
One of my fondest memories...April 1st , several years ago my 90’s y’o grandmother was in the hospital. Her arms were restrained because she kept pulling her IV out. She was not a happy camper. I sat beside her and untied her. My mom and aunt were fussing about “she's gonna pull it out” and left the room in a huff. My confused grandmother looked around and asked me if she was ok. I assured her she was and whispered something in her ear. When my Aunt and mom came back in I told them they were right and she pulled it out again. They both got close and looked and my mamo got a big grin on her face and held up her arm with the IV intact and yelled “April Fools!”
28 posted on 09/20/2008 3:36:05 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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What a great story. :)

My grandmother was ill for months, and was in the hospital for weeks before she died. I was twenty, and I recall her asking me if I could see the plants and flowers trailing around her hospital room like a crown molding. I told her I could. I remember her grasping my hands, and telling me that she felt the same as she had as a girl, that her body had changed, but she had not. She looked into my eyes and I felt I could see that girl, at once a friend and a grandmother. I wish she could have been with me longer.

29 posted on 09/20/2008 3:57:32 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

Given the recent comments about Gov. Palin’s child with Downs Syndrome, there’s absolutely no doubt that we are rapidly approaching the point where the public debate becomes whether society has an affirmative moral obligation to end the lives of individuals whose quality of life is compromised. And this decision, of course, should properly be made by some over paid bureaucrat who will measure his productivity by the number of souls he has ‘liberated’. The discussion is no longer restricted to sci-fi novels.


30 posted on 09/20/2008 3:59:03 PM PDT by Spok (The Sinopian Sage)
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To: trisham

That’s a great story too. It’s true though. Our body ages but we are still the same person, that we were when we were younger. Instead of focusing on making people feel guilty about living to be old I would rather see research go towards improving quality and cures.


31 posted on 09/20/2008 4:05:12 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: wagglebee

“People with dementia should be able to end their lives if they feel they are a burden to others or to the NHS, according to a respected ethicist.”

Even more so then for those who are without dementia unless the agument is strictly utilitarian based.


32 posted on 09/20/2008 4:10:46 PM PDT by TrevorSnowsrap
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To: wagglebee
Precisely. It is disgusting to think that those you love will simply kill you the minute your health declines.

While I would never argue that someone's life should be deliberately terminated, in this day and age it's become necessary to ask how much effort and expense a family must expend to keep around someone with little no hope of recovery.

33 posted on 09/20/2008 4:31:27 PM PDT by E. Cartman (America isn't worth protecting with a fence, but MacQueeg's and Bush's estates are???)
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That’s a great story too. It’s true though. Our body ages but we are still the same person, that we were when we were younger. Instead of focusing on making people feel guilty about living to be old I would rather see research go toward improving quality and cures.

I used to work with dementia patients, and it was heartbreaking every day. I hurt for the families, and for the person who didn't know anyone. I did whatever I could for them, but felt it was never enough.

Now, my husband has been diagnosed with Alzheimer's. He has had dementia for a few years, but it worsened 1 1/2 years ago after back surgery. It's devastating, especially because I know each stage too well, and what is in store for him and me. It's as though I am watching someone die in slow motion. I do everything I can to keep things as normal as possible, but he makes the abnormal seem normal.

A once vibrant man, who is now my child. There are cures, but they haven't been approved yet. One supposed cure is already used to treat rheumatoid arthritis. I asked his neurologist about it, and he said he's waiting for approval. I told him, "If it doesn't kill an arthritic patient, why would it kill an Alzheimer's patient?" He replied, "It's the law." I then said, "I would rather he live a few good years, with his memory intact, then 20 years as the walking dead."

34 posted on 09/20/2008 4:32:42 PM PDT by Jaidyn
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To: CindyDawg

[ I hope I can afford to hire a companion to drive them where they want to go and help them do what they want.]

The last 12-15 years of my M-I-L’s life she was curled up in a fetal position, wasting away and totally out of the world. Her death was a blessing for all. JMHO


35 posted on 09/20/2008 4:44:00 PM PDT by dbacks (Should we really elect a man that would not be allowed to be an airport baggage screener?)
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To: wagglebee

My mom passed away in February of this year. She had been under a doctor’s care for dementia/alsheimer’s since 2001. She had to go to the ER for shortness of breath in February, where it was finally determined by ultrasound that at some point in the last SEVEN years, she had had a massive heart attack, and that 3/4 of her heart was already DEAD. It had gone UNDETECTED by three different doctors.

My point is this: when you are only operating on 25% of your heart capacity, it’s a little difficult to get the oxygen necessary to your brain to have any cohesive thought. The diagnosis of “Dementia” is too cavalierly thrown around to cover unusual behavior, and to suggest that euthanasia be a “reasonable” decision is evil and ridiculous.


36 posted on 09/20/2008 4:52:33 PM PDT by GWMcClintock (Right after Lib Democrats, the most dangerous politicians are country club Republicans. T. Sowell)
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To: dbacks

I’m glad she had yall. Some don’t have any family or have outlived them. I know there are some sad cases. I’m not glossing over that.


37 posted on 09/20/2008 4:52:53 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
It’s true though. Our body ages but we are still the same person, that we were when we were younger. Instead of focusing on making people feel guilty about living to be old I would rather see research go towards improving quality and cures.

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I would as well. Imho, this is all about being pro-life.

38 posted on 09/20/2008 6:34:56 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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39 posted on 09/21/2008 3:58:41 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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