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Japan hopes to turn sci-fi into reality with elevator to the stars
The Times ^ | 9/22/2008 | Leo Lewis in Tokyo

Posted on 09/21/2008 5:17:49 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

From cyborg housemaids and waterpowered cars to dog translators and rocket boots, Japanese boffins have racked up plenty of near-misses in the quest to turn science fiction into reality.

Now the finest scientific minds of Japan are devoting themselves to cracking the greatest sci-fi vision of all: the space elevator. Man has so far conquered space by painfully and inefficiently blasting himself out of the atmosphere but the 21st century should bring a more leisurely ride to the final frontier.

For chemists, physicists, material scientists, astronauts and dreamers across the globe, the space elevator represents the most tantalising of concepts: cables stronger and lighter than any fibre yet woven, tethered to the ground and disappearing beyond the atmosphere to a satellite docking station in geosynchronous orbit above Earth.


An artist's impression of the platform of the proposed space elevator, which would climb
62,000 miles into space

Up and down the 22,000 mile-long (36,000km) cables — or flat ribbons — will run the elevator carriages, themselves requiring huge breakthroughs in engineering to which the biggest Japanese companies and universities have turned their collective attention.

In the carriages, scientists behind the idea told The Times, could be any number of cargoes. A space elevator could carry people, huge solar-powered generators or even casks of radioactive waste. The point is that breaking free of Earth's gravity will no longer require so much energy — perhaps 100 times less than launching the space shuttle.

“Just like travelling abroad, anyone will be able to ride the elevator into space,” Shuichi Ono, chairman of the Japan Space Elevator Association, said.

The vision has inspired scientists around the world and government organisations including Nasa. Several competing space elevator projects are gathering pace as various groups vie to build practical carriages,

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: geostationary; hinduropetrick; kepler; newton

1 posted on 09/21/2008 5:17:49 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

Didn’t I see this on South Park?


2 posted on 09/21/2008 5:18:58 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: bruinbirdman

Arthur C. Clarke predicted that in 1979 in “The Fountains of Paradise”.


3 posted on 09/21/2008 5:23:04 PM PDT by reg45
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To: Beowulf9

From what I’ve read the material strengths required for the cable are so far beyond anything available that this idea is not feasible. I’d also be curious how you get a cable that big up there in the first place.


4 posted on 09/21/2008 5:27:50 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption has not changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: Beowulf9
Didn’t I see this on South Park?

It is for real. It is serious science, and the nation which builds one could own the earth.

Imagine cheap, accurate, orbiting weapons, as many as you want...

5 posted on 09/21/2008 5:29:09 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: driftdiver

Besides materials, you have one hell of an electrical potential.


6 posted on 09/21/2008 5:32:16 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: driftdiver

Carbon nanotubes are candidates that seem to approach practicality. It’ll take 20 more years of work. The cable is assembled from geosynchronous orbit with on-site manufacture of the cable. You have to boost the materials for the first one up there the old fashioned way. Kind of like the transcontinental railroad, the cost savings pay for it. In particular, once the first one is up the next one can be assembled much more cheaply because the transportation cost is way less.


7 posted on 09/21/2008 5:34:29 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: reg45

He was the first with the idea of geosynchronous communications satellites. He wasn’t the first with the idea of a space elevator, but he’s an authority on the subject.


8 posted on 09/21/2008 5:36:47 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: bruinbirdman
When are we gonna do something like that?
9 posted on 09/21/2008 5:41:37 PM PDT by uglybiker (1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d 2 g3t l41d)
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To: Locomotive Breath

“In particular, once the first one is up the next one can be assembled much more cheaply because the transportation cost is way less.”

Seems it would be very sensitive to flying objects and other threats. Not to mention weather patterns.

The science seems fun though.


10 posted on 09/21/2008 5:43:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption has not changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Fine idea in a world devoid of mohammedans crashing aircraft into tall structures


11 posted on 09/21/2008 5:46:46 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

Imagine the result if that cable did get cut.


12 posted on 09/21/2008 5:48:52 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption has not changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: bruinbirdman; All

Some other sources

http://www.spaceelevator.com/
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/space_elevator_020327-1.html
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast07sep_1.htm
http://www.howstuffworks.com/space-elevator.htm
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/aug05/1690


13 posted on 09/21/2008 5:53:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption has not changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: uglybiker
"When are we gonna do something like that?"

If we didn't have to pay to keep the ChiComs out of Japland we could do it.

yitbos

14 posted on 09/21/2008 6:04:01 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: Swordmaker; Fred Nerks

Too bad strength of materials has nothing to do with its feasibility. :’)


15 posted on 09/21/2008 6:37:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: driftdiver
In every discussion of a space elevator I have read, the problem of orbiting debris is not given as much thought as it would seem to deserve.

I always thought the biggest dream of science fiction was a foldspace door - turn a key and walk through it to somewhere else.

16 posted on 09/21/2008 6:38:08 PM PDT by Fatuncle (Teach me something.)
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To: bruinbirdman

This... will... never... happen! But researchers will always be looking for investors.


17 posted on 09/21/2008 7:06:41 PM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: uglybiker
When are we gonna do something like that?

We had about $700B set aside for this project ... but ... ah ... we ended up spending the money ... somewhere else.

18 posted on 09/21/2008 7:37:49 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Michelle, spare me your phony outrage, you know as well as I do that dress makes your butt look big)
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To: driftdiver
Imagine the result if that cable did get cut.

I can't quite recall the exact details, but years ago there was one science-fiction writer who made the consequences of a space elevator cable snapping or being sabotaged, a staple of several stories. Girdle of fire around the planet...

19 posted on 09/22/2008 4:48:29 AM PDT by backhoe (For a Real Change, Vote Palin)
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