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To: Pan_Yan

What was really relative was the prescience of the “Bailout” and the stage of “Demoralization” becoming so prevalent on this forum. I was getting sick of seeing tons of negative vanities and tons of negative posts.

Many who hate the MSM are being influenced, I know it’s hard not to, the drumbeat never stops, but I refuse to concede. Many people here who are not trolls are posting about “President Obama”, playing the role of the MSM and in essence carrying out psy-ops on the last outpost of freedom FREE REPUBLIC.

I don’t care if you are Ronald Reagan reincarnate, if you are constantly posting negative crap here and conceding the election, you’re no better than a troll, I’m not talking about you, but you get the idea, we’re all guilty of it at one time or another. Some members apparently thrive on it, I want those members to know that they doing damage, whether they have 12,000 conservative posts or not, but they just know McCain isn’t going to win.

BS, McCain is going to win in a landslide, we’re not at the point that we’re going to elect President Barack Hussein Obama and if you’re going to post doom and gloom, do it at some other forum, we’ve heard it all before, about 500 times.


127 posted on 09/30/2008 8:00:56 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob
I'm a mere pup of 39, so I can't speak authoritatively of the Reagan years. But I remember Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather as icons. They were all we had, and we hung on every word. I also remember Nixon's resignation speech on the radio, which my wife says proves that even then I was was some sort of aberration (I was 5).

America has suffered greatly under a slew of judges appointed by Republicans who turned out to be liberals. Republican presidents had no choice. They appointed what they thought were stealth conservatives and hoped for the best. It's not that way anymore. There are real conservatives out there ready to take the bench. If the current crop holds true they may be Bush's greatest legacy after the War on Terror.

Places like Free Republic, Townhall.com, Drudge Report, Fox News were in their infancy ten years ago. There was no main stream media, there was just “The Media.” I don't think that it is a coincidence that the decline of the MSM coincided with the democrats losing the iron grip they held on congress for most of the 20th century. There is a real debate now, not just on between candidates for a few hours before each election, not just at rallies every fourth year. It is constant. Never have so many people had access to the truth from so many sources.

My mother is a life long democrat and firm social liberal, and we're talking about a Southern Baptist pastor's wife. She grew up with the new deal and has never let it go. But that generation is passing. The next generation has a chance if we don't abandon them. The fact that there is even the possibility of rejecting this government bailout is amazing. I wish John McCain was more of an ideologue - he had several opportunities to put Obama away during the debate, especially towards the beginning. But I think he can at least be a serviceable steward of our government until more help arrives.

Liberals are much easier to focus on a task since they readily buy the line-o-the-day. Conservatives ask questions, and therefore have to be convinced. But they can be focused. Look at the Meyers nomination, the immigration bill and the Palin choice. Now is a great opportunity for conservatives to get the message out.

I have discussions with people all the time in my office, my building, at lunch. Facts are always a conservatives friend, and it's amazing how just a few easily provable facts about Obama can change someone's outlook. I fully agree with you're preposition that this is no time for doom and gloom. We might have to put up with McCain's global warming, blame wall street B.S. for a few years, but I'd sure love to see Pelosi and Reid go sit on the back bench for a while. Even though the senate is probably out of reach, there is hope for a much more conservative house, and that could make the budget battles much more entertaining than the last couple have been.

Thank you for the compliment, and for posting this thread. It has lead to some good discussion. And maybe people who have just read through it and watched the video will gain some encouragement.

133 posted on 09/30/2008 8:36:43 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All gray areas are fabrications.)
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