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Pressure to Keep the Baby? (Trig Palin and Abortion)
Christian Post ^ | 10/5/08 | R. Albert Mohler, Jr.

Posted on 10/07/2008 4:06:03 PM PDT by wagglebee

The public presence of little Trig Palin is a powerful witness to the sanctity of human life, and the knowledge that this little infant with Down syndrome is bringing such joy to his family is upsetting those who believe that babies such as Trig should never be born.

The public presence of little Trig Palin is a powerful witness to the sanctity of human life, and the knowledge that this little infant with Down syndrome is bringing such joy to his family is upsetting those who believe that babies such as Trig should never be born.

The facts are daunting. It is now estimated that between 80 and 90 percent of all unborn babies diagnosed as likely to have Down syndrome are aborted. The availability of prenatal testing presents parents with the possibility of aborting the baby and starting over. The statistics now speak for themselves - the vast majority of parents are choosing to abort under these circumstances.

But the visible presence of Trig Palin in the arms of his parents or one of his sisters is resetting that equation, at least in terms of the public's emotions. The sight of little Piper Palin licking her hand and flattening Trig's hair during their mom's acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention is likely to stick in the public mind years after Trig's hair is again unstuck. It's hard for even the most ardent abortion defenders to insert an argument against Trig's precious life at that point. Or, at least we would think so.

At least one highly-placed source objects to the whole picture. Writing in The Globe and Mail [Toronto], Dr. André Lalonde, executive vice-president of the Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Canada, explained his worry that other parents might feel pressure to follow the Palins' example.

As the paper explains:

Dr. Lalonde said that above all else, women must be free to choose, and that popular messages to the contrary could have detrimental effects on women and their families.

"The worry is that this will have an implication for abortion issues in Canada," he said.

Taken at face value, the paper seems to be suggesting that a decision to keep the baby contradicts the doctor's assertion that "women must be free to choose." In other words, the only "right" choice would be to abort the baby.

Given the relatively few words quoted from Dr. Lalonde, it is possible that his quote is not fully representative of his position. If this is true, he should certainly make this clear. A look at the Web site of the SOGC indicates that this statement might well be representative of his position.

The group has announced its clear opposition to a proposed Unborn Victims of Crime Act - an act that would allow courts to consider an unborn baby as a victim in assault or murder cases. Such laws are not uncommon in the United States, but the SOGC has taken the position that, once an unborn baby is recognized to have a legal existence and right to live, the entire question of abortion and "reproductive rights" takes on a new frame.

The descent into the Culture of Death is fueled by language such as found here - that a woman might be "pressured to keep the baby" in light of Trig Palin's visibility. At the same time, the inherent evil of such abortions and the slander against humanity represented by the abortion of these babies comes to bright light in Trig Palin's little face.

Maybe Dr. Lalonde and his colleagues are right to be worried. The entire question has been reset by one precious little infant.

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R. Albert Mohler, Jr. is president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. For more articles and resources by Dr. Mohler, and for information on The Albert Mohler Program, a daily national radio program broadcast on the Salem Radio Network, go to www.albertmohler.com. For information on The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, go to www.sbts.edu. Send feedback to mail@albertmohler.com. Original Source: www.albertmohler.com.

Adapted from R. Albert Mohler Jr.'s weblog at www.albertmohler.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; andrlalonde; cultureofdeath; downsyndrome; eugenics; mohler; moloch; moralabsolutes; palin; piper; prolife; sarah; trig; trigpalin
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Taken at face value, the paper seems to be suggesting that a decision to keep the baby contradicts the doctor's assertion that "women must be free to choose." In other words, the only "right" choice would be to abort the baby.

This has ALWAYS been the position of the pro-death crowd.

1 posted on 10/07/2008 4:06:04 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 10/07/2008 4:06:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 10/07/2008 4:07:08 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I heard Liz Trotter refer to Trig as ‘it’ this weekend on FOX. Pizzed me off. She was saying that Palin was “having it on stage with her all the time”. Her point was that she should be doing that.


4 posted on 10/07/2008 4:08:44 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: wagglebee

Someone at my church said that to me last night and I was stunned. I recall being asked when deliberately with child at the age of 41 if I wanted an amnio saying no I wasn’t going to make any decisions based on an amnio. I was having a baby. Period. This is not strange in the circle of educated critical thinkers I enconter. My OB accepted it and said no more.


5 posted on 10/07/2008 4:10:11 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: truthluva

“I heard Liz Trotter refer to Trig as ‘it’ this weekend on FOX. Pizzed me off.”

I heard that too...pathetic!!!


6 posted on 10/07/2008 4:12:27 PM PDT by Arpege92 (If you don't stand behind our troops...please feel free to stand in front of them!)
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To: wagglebee
This election is about life and death.

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: Deut 30:19

7 posted on 10/07/2008 4:13:52 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: wagglebee
Heard it quite a bit on this site. One guy (whom I won't even bother to ping) said that Palin would drive “All non fanatics” to Obama because.
1. She didn't abort Trig (Down’s babies should not be born).
2. Her daughter didn't get an abortion (hinting that she doesn't believe in the pill).
8 posted on 10/07/2008 4:14:14 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: wagglebee
For the pro-death crowd, it's no longer a matter of choice but a duty- sad indeed how far society has come! God help the weak and unwanted among us!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
9 posted on 10/07/2008 4:14:57 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Peregrine, patron saint of cancer patients, pray for us.)
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To: wagglebee

My baby is fine by the grace of God and if my baby had been a Down’s baby that too would have been by the grace of God. There is a mom at our elementary who has two Down’s babies and she is an awesome mom. No oe would dream of suggesting she do anything different than what she has done.


10 posted on 10/07/2008 4:17:03 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: P-Marlowe
This election is about life and death.

Probably more than with ANY other election in American history.

11 posted on 10/07/2008 4:23:00 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
The sight of little Piper Palin licking her hand and flattening Trig's hair during their mom's acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention is likely to stick in the public mind years after Trig's hair is again unstuck.

Siblings always take the place of the career mother as best they can.

12 posted on 10/07/2008 4:25:18 PM PDT by donna (Sarah Palin: The Feminist ideal comes to fruition in the Republican Party. Betty Friedan laughs.)
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To: wagglebee
It may surprise some people, but there is a long list of qualified, wonderful families who are specifically requesting to adopt a Down's Syndrome baby.

Anyone who is expecting a Down's baby and is not up to the challenge of raising the child, should not ever feel guilty about placing the baby in a loving, nuturing enviornment.

It's a win-win situation.

sw

13 posted on 10/07/2008 4:31:19 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: wagglebee

Now this whole thing is offensive enough, but I’ve heaved a sigh of relief, actually.

I thought the headline meant “they” didn’t believe Palin wanted to keep the baby, and was pressured into it by Repub political forces....

Which would’ve really outraged me!


14 posted on 10/07/2008 4:36:52 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: wagglebee

“above all else, women must be free to choose,”

Would that all these liberals would paraphrase that for EVERYTHING ELSE IN LIFE for EVERYone.

“Such laws are not uncommon in the United States, but the SOGC has taken the position that, once an unborn baby is recognized to have a legal existence and right to live, the entire question of abortion and “reproductive rights” takes on a new frame.”

Yup. In fact, I’ve questioned the contrary nature of this for a while. My own People’s Republik of MD allows for counting the fetus as “live person” in crimes, but not “if mother wants to be free of it”.


15 posted on 10/07/2008 4:39:29 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: wagglebee

16 posted on 10/07/2008 4:40:44 PM PDT by just me (JELLY BEANS AND WINKS...)
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To: wagglebee

“Dr. Lalonde said that above all else, women must be free to choose, and that popular messages to the contrary could have detrimental effects on women and their families.

“The worry is that this will have an implication for abortion issues in Canada,” he said.”

Seriously.....so she should aborted her baby so other mothers don’t feel pressured to keep theirs? What a tool. She was free to choose also and she made her choice.


17 posted on 10/07/2008 4:54:02 PM PDT by Impy (Spellcheck hates Obama, you should too.)
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To: just me
Trig is just precious. As is my Down's grandson now 10, in fact Mr. Precious is what I call him, and no one else can, lol.

Nathan is so smart and clever and is above his goals all the time in school. We treat him just like any other child and expect him to accomplish what he can. I really don't think he knows he is differant, within the family that is. At school that is another story, when other kids call him dumb, that hurts him. He talks about that sometimes, but not for long then he just goes on with life. He does have a lot of "normal" friends at school who love and protect him.

I can't imagine life without this soul, he is just a joy and God has richly blessed us. If I could I would not change a thing.

18 posted on 10/07/2008 4:54:39 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: just me; VigilantAmerican

ping for life! it is all precious!


20 posted on 10/07/2008 5:14:09 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: annieokie

Nathan is so blessed with God’s special love. May God Bless Your Wonderful Family.


21 posted on 10/07/2008 5:23:21 PM PDT by just me (JELLY BEANS AND WINKS...)
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To: wagglebee
I have shed tears exactly twice in the last 12 months. Both times on the same day. Once (in joy) was after watching my unborn child kick and stretch on the ultrasound screen. The second time was after the nurse practitioner asked my wife and I about prenatal screening. They had already given us two little printed fuzzy snapshots from the ultrasound, and I was holding them as priceless treasures, and then she handed us a pamphlet advertising the screening service...I held it in, but it hit me so hard.

Look, it is nice to know and everything, but the thought of snuffing out that little life I had just watched on the screen was heartbreaking. As soon as we got back to the car, I tried to explain the implication to my wife (who was too thrilled with having seen the ultrasound to compute anything else) and I just broke down. What is so wrong with us that we would even consider it? It is so hard to grasp when these issues are not in the abstract.

I do not hate the women who make the decision to abort (nor do I hate the men who are supportive of such a decision). I hate the culture we have which makes it acceptable - and even something to celebrate to some. I'm not a religious or spiritual person, nor am I approaching this from just some sappy emotional level.

I simply cannot hand down a death sentence to an innocent unborn child, with defects or not. Nor could I endorse the decision if my wife so made it. Foremost, I cannot accept genetic or chromosomal abnormality as grounds for execution. Second, even if I could endorse the notion that such defects constitute grounds for execution, I could never live with myself if I found out that the test was incorrect, and I had "unjustly" sentenced a child (one incapable of guilt) to death. That 'this' particular procedure is 30% more accurate than the next best procedure is of no comfort. The topic is just so ugly.

Anyway, beyond politics, that Palin kept her precious baby, and that thousands of other women have similarly chosen (even if they are in the minority) makes me proud to be a human being. I have so little faith in humanity, but once in a while I see something amazing, like Palin holding her "imperfect" little angel protectively against herself (and I would not care if she were antithetical to my views in every other way).

22 posted on 10/07/2008 5:25:19 PM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: annieokie

Bless you and your family. And an extra hug for Mr. Precious!


23 posted on 10/07/2008 5:28:35 PM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............but does have a bracelet!!!!)
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To: just me

My favorite photo which say volumns about Sarah Palin and all good Moms who are blessed so and I mean it. Our extended family has “special needs” children who have taught US so much, the selfish will never “get it” but they miss out on what is truly valuable.

God bless all you Moms who without hesitation made the choice of giving life regardless. You show the way by example, you are GIANTS in today’s world and thank you.


24 posted on 10/07/2008 5:47:47 PM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: All

I have a friend who’s cousin was told her baby would have Downs and they decided to still have him and spent months preparing having all the things ready to go.

They will never forget the look of shock on the face of their OB when Kerry Ryne was delivered and DID NOT HAVE DOWNS SYNDROME!


25 posted on 10/07/2008 6:20:05 PM PDT by rexgrossmansonlyfan (I got it bad. I live in the state Obama was elected to the Senate from IN HILLARYS HOMETOWN!)
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To: donna
Siblings always take the place of the career mother as best they can.

Give me a break. A child showing affection toward her brother is trying to "take the place of [her] career mother"?

What a strange world you must inhabit.
26 posted on 10/07/2008 7:05:30 PM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 ("If we give the bureaucrats our children, we may as well give them everything else." - J. G. Machen)
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To: Carley

Thanks, I will give him an extra HUG for you.


27 posted on 10/07/2008 8:17:14 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: just me

God bless you and your as well. I will give Mr. Precious and extra hug for you too. He loves HUGS, big grandma ones. lol


28 posted on 10/07/2008 8:18:32 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: Zechariah_8_13

Hon, that was motherly grooming.


29 posted on 10/07/2008 10:24:12 PM PDT by donna (Sarah Palin: The Feminist ideal comes to fruition in the Republican Party. Betty Friedan laughs.)
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To: donna
Or maybe, just maybe, Piper was mimicking what she saw her mother (that would be Sarah, Trig's mom, too) do with Trig on prior occasions.

You are really reaching with your judgemental comment.

30 posted on 10/07/2008 10:35:02 PM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: tgslTakoma

Then why are you so upset?


31 posted on 10/07/2008 10:59:37 PM PDT by donna (Sarah Palin: The Feminist ideal comes to fruition in the Republican Party. Betty Friedan laughs.)
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To: M203M4

M203M4 - thank God, your post proves there are some real men left in America! Not either extreme of macho brutes or sappy sensitive liberals, but a rational man, with a head and a heart that can discern the truth without the aid of political or moral obfuscations.


32 posted on 10/08/2008 12:23:51 AM PDT by baa39
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan

I have read that this is not uncommon, and so then that leads to the obvious conclusion that many women are aborting perfectly normal babies.

Some years back, my Mom’s neighbor, in her 40’s, had a “surprise” pregnancy and did all the tests and was advised to abort because the baby “would most likely” have Down’s Syndrome. My mother (devout Catholic), amazingly somehow talked this woman out of an abortion. The woman gave birth to a perfectly normal, healthy girl.


33 posted on 10/08/2008 12:28:23 AM PDT by baa39
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To: wagglebee
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34 posted on 10/08/2008 3:16:24 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: donna

How many children do you have?


35 posted on 10/08/2008 4:33:15 AM PDT by Tax-chick (This is embarassing! Have a Guinness and pull yourselves together!)
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To: donna
Bless your heart, you just don't get it, do you?
36 posted on 10/08/2008 4:43:38 AM PDT by Guenevere (We will NOT collapse.The New World Order WILL collapse.This is our last chance!)
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To: donna

Siblings will do that anyway. We home school, my wife is with the kids all day.

Nevertheless, my kids think they’re allowed to parent each other. It gets them into trouble all the time, with us and each other. Not equating Piper’s positive actions here, just using a negative example to make the point. Kids will emulate parents whether they work full time or not.


37 posted on 10/08/2008 4:47:49 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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To: Guenevere
Arguing with obsessed people will make you beat your head against the keyboard and hit the Guinness before 8:00 a.m., but it's okay as long as you add an egg. (Or so I hear, in the wilds of Britain ...)

Here's a picture of Bill and Vlad, just because they're cute:


38 posted on 10/08/2008 4:49:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick (This is embarassing! Have a Guinness and pull yourselves together!)
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To: M203M4

Beautiful, beautiful post.

Thank you.
Tatt


39 posted on 10/08/2008 4:55:34 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: donna
that was motherly grooming

You're joking, right? When I saw that, I said, "EEEEEW! She's SLIMING his hairs!" You can check the live debate thread.

40 posted on 10/08/2008 5:04:27 AM PDT by Tax-chick (This is embarassing! Have a Guinness and pull yourselves together!)
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To: Tax-chick

Convention thread, I mean.


41 posted on 10/08/2008 5:06:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick (This is embarassing! Have a Guinness and pull yourselves together!)
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To: ovrtaxt

I think John Adams said one useless man was a disgrace.


42 posted on 10/08/2008 5:07:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick (This is embarassing! Have a Guinness and pull yourselves together!)
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To: Tax-chick

Maybe so. I’ve run across several incorrect quotes on those quote sites.


43 posted on 10/08/2008 5:09:19 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a Congress. --John Adams)
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To: ovrtaxt

Or it could be a total fiction - I heard it in “1776.”


44 posted on 10/08/2008 5:10:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick (This is embarassing! Have a Guinness and pull yourselves together!)
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To: P-Marlowe
In more ways than abortion. The United States of America is in the ICU and neither candidate is capable of saving her.
45 posted on 10/08/2008 5:12:31 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Tax-chick
Thanks for the perspective :)

Sweet children...(ALL of them!.)

Isn't God grand!!

46 posted on 10/08/2008 5:15:06 AM PDT by Guenevere (We will NOT collapse.The New World Order WILL collapse.This is our last chance!)
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To: wagglebee
Trig Palin is a mirror held up to the lives of the women who either have had, or would condone abortion for eugenics reasons. They cannot bear to look at the darkness they see in that reflection, and they despise Sarah Palin for holding that mirror.

That's the only thing I can think of to explain the enormous amounts of hate being spewed her way by the left.

47 posted on 10/08/2008 5:26:46 AM PDT by hunter112 (Gov. Palin is ten times the woman Hillary could've hoped to be, if she had stayed a "Goldwater Girl")
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To: Guenevere

Thanks. God has been very generous to us. It makes me want to give the whole world a Guinness and a kitten, so they can all be as happy as I am :-).

(The Guinness is a literary trope, picked up from my Irish FRiends. I am not, in fact, imbibing at this hour. I don’t even like beer, actually. But I do like kittens.)


48 posted on 10/08/2008 5:28:20 AM PDT by Tax-chick (This is embarassing! Have a Guinness and pull yourselves together!)
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To: Tax-chick; Guenevere
The Guinness is a literary trope, picked up from my Irish FRiends. I am not, in fact, imbibing at this hour.

Though it would help to explain your near-perpetual state of pregnancy! :-)

49 posted on 10/08/2008 5:35:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

My husband is at the office. ;-)


50 posted on 10/08/2008 5:40:02 AM PDT by Tax-chick (This is embarassing! Have a Guinness and pull yourselves together!)
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