Posted on 10/07/2008 8:31:10 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
You Guys Are Nuts [Andy McCarthy]
We have a disaster here — which is what you should expect when you delegate a non-conservative to make the conservative (nay, the American) case. We can parse it eight ways to Sunday, but I think the commentary is missing the big picture.
Here's what Obama needed to do tonight: Convince the country that he was an utterly safe, conventional, centrist politician who may have leftward leanings but will do the right thing when the crunch comes.
Now, as the night went along, did you get the impression that Obama comes from the radical Left? Did you sense that he funded Leftist causes to the tune of tens of millions of dollars? Would you have guessed that he's pals with a guy who brags about bombing the Pentagon? Would you have guessed that he helped underwrite raging anti-Semites? Would you come away thinking, "Gee, he's proposing to transfer nearly a trillion dollars of wealth to third-world dictators through the UN"?
Nope. McCain didn't want to go there. So Obama comes off as just your average Center-Left politician. Gonna raise your taxes a little, gonna negotiate reasonably with America's enemies; gonna rely on our very talented federal courts to fight terrorists and solve most of America's problems; gonna legalize millions of hard-working illegal immigrants.
McCain? He comes off as Center-Right .. or maybe Center-Left ... but, either way, deeply respectful of Obama despite their policy quibbles.
Great. Memo to McCain Campaign: Someone is either a terrorist sympathizer or he isn't; someone is either disqualified as a terrorist sympathizer or he's qualified for public office. You helped portray Obama as a clealy qualified presidential candidate who would fight terrorists.
If that's what the public thinks, good luck trying to win this thing.
With due respect, I think tonight was a disaster for our side. I'm dumbfounded that no one else seems to think so. Obama did everything he needed to do, McCain did nothing he needed to do. What am I missing
Exactly. McCain gets one more shot at exposing Obama for the hardcore lefty he really is. Tonight, McCain dropped the ball.
So who are you voting for?
Watch this video, of Obama's supporters, Obama's comrades, Obama's mentors. It's going to take another 90 minutes of your time, but when you are finished, I hope you will pass this link on to other's who are vacillating, weak-in-the-knees, not sure there's a dime's difference between the candidates, not sure they are going to bother to vote because all hope is lost, blah, blah, blah.
We have a clear choice, and we need to convince everybody we can that they have a clear choice. It's either going to be a vote to continue this great experiment in a free republic, or surrender to this:
I've stated several times that we absolutely MUST win this. I'm convinced that Barrack Obama is not just a liberal, but that he represents an extreme fascist and evil version of liberalism and that we can not allow this to happen. I'm sick and tired of delusional 'see no evil' and 'think positive' postings from others who simply cannot accept the reality they just witnessed and would rather paint ME as the enemy. I'm just calling it like I see it and if that's "negative" then there's a reason for it.
No matter what we wish, "positive thinking" never won a single battle and it's no help just pretending this is going to be fine. McCain did absolutely NOTHING for his own cause tonight and I suspect you know it quite well This bipartisan niceness and 'mature professionalism' (is that we label it?) is not going to win this election against the political machine we're facing. There were barn door size openings for McCain to walk through tonight and each time it happened the man was either too stupid to recognize, to incompetent to know what to do, or intentionally deciding not to go there. I can't claim to know his heart or his thoughts, but I know this was was a losing night for McCain.
If so, what use is it with all the negativity? Sure, we need to be realistic about what happened. That is completely different from being FATALISTIC.
It is what it is. Let's hold hands and think happy thoughts for 30 seconds and then look again. ........................................ ok, there... let's look again. Ok, McCain still blew this debate and did it walking away. I don't claim to understand why, but if this is what we call "taking the gloves off" I don't want to seem use the kindness treatment.
It’s ridiculous to think this was a game-changer that went either Obambi’s or McCain’s way. The good news for us, though, if people can’t over how they “just aren’t feeling it tonight,” is that McCain laid a lot of good groundwork for taking control of the discussion in the days ahead. He also, in my mind, laid several traps for the Obambi campaign that they will not be able to resist stepping in.
I'll give you that tonight alone was not a game changer. Sad thing is, it could have been and that's part of my beef. It's time for a game changer day and time is running out. You say he's just laying the groundwork for the days ahead and in the hopes that you're correct, I've just mofified my first paragraph above because the first draft REALLY let you have it! I'll chill for now, but your delusional wishful thinking is wearing thin and we're running out of time. I'll hold my breath till it's over!
But whether you agree with that or not, how in the world is taking no time for reflection whatsoever and posting some adolescent “crying in my beer” piece helpful to either the public discussion or the cause of conservatism?
So, based on my conclusions you believe I took no time for reflection? You can know that just because I did not arrive at your rosy @ssed conclusion? wow, you've a rather high opinion of your own intellect, that's impressive. I rather suspect I've spent at least as much time in reflection as you have as I've thought about little else for several months at this point. I suspect the difference is I am out of patience and I have never trusted "reach across the aisle McCain". Perhaps you do, but I already know he's no conservative and I admit to being worried the man is selling us out while we're watching him do it. I admit that, I don't trust the man to stick to principles he's never demonstrating having.
If someone wants to pop off, join a live thread, don’t push the “send” button on an ill-conceived rant.
"ill-conceived" is in the eye of the beholder. You want to sit around and chant and think happy thoughts, go right ahead. You're being sold down the river by your own candidate though and I suspect you know it.
Cheers,
Lloyd
Is that a fact? Interesting.
Some of us are more self-critical. I thought McCain's convention speech was a bit flat - not bad, and he came across as a very real person, especially with that emotional story he closed up with, but didn't think it would be very impressive. After the fact, it was very well received, the highest rated speech for a convention of all time, even being shown on fewer networks than Obama, and I asked some people who are apolitical what they thought of it and they thought it was great. Sometimes, we "junkies" don't know how the non-junkies will react to things.
Obama had no answers, or only vague answers. He had a stupid answer for what to do in Afghanistan. McCain had an obviously sensible one: The new sheriff in town is Gen. Petraeus, and he's good at what he does.
I banished all consecutive thought and listened (radio) with my child's ear for my instinctive response: Obama has a nice voice. Obama ignoring or side-stepping McCain's accusations was smooth and effective the first time. The second time it was a little disquieting. (I found myself saying, "Didn't he hear what that other guy said about him? . . .") The third time, the mask was down: He's not answering because he can't. "These are serious charges the old guy is making. If Obama can't answer, it could be because he's a crook. . ."
I don't know what the audience's immediate response was, but if ads build on these things, plus Obama's consistent opposition to drilling—which he's trying to cover up now—it won't matter. Obama has no answers.
P.S. I agree with whoever thought that McCain's offer to buy everyone's house was over-the-top.
There are consequences when you nominate the party maverick to be your standard bearer.
My principles. I will still have my soul. It is sad to see you hock yours so freely.
McCain is ObamaLite. Just face it.
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I will never say it is all finished for us. But the fact remains that little turd Obama could have been polished off some time ago. McCain should have dropped the nice guy get along routine and exposed the talons long ago. He should also take this advise. When you fight a socalist with your version of socialism it is a loosing proposition.
What’s your point? Your post makes no sense.
At least he won’t allow babies who manage to live after a botched abortion to be murdered, and he won’t take away our guns. Barry will. Being weaponless is the ultimate defenselessness , just ask the Brits. As long as we keep our Second Amendment rights, we aren’t screwed. We won’t, under Barry.
McCain did NOTHING that Freepers said he should do to call out Obama. He’s a slightly improved version of Dole. If he wins I’ll be shocked.
I see from your posting history you are an avowed ‘troll hunter’.
I respect that, but attacking long-term posters nilly-willy, narcissistically, as you do, is irresponsible.
Dial it down already.
Thank you.
There is too much downer talk because McCain didn’t deliver a “knock out” punch. People, it was a Town Hall forum. One of the questioners had to open the door for McCain to hit Obama on the Ayers thing. It didn’t happen. MacCain did hit hard here and there, but no knock down punches.
Bottom line. It was a boring forum, nothing memorable happened and it will not affect the race.
McCain/Palin will continue to affect the race them selves on the trail hitting Obama every day on Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Don’t worry people.
Ok, so you’re NOT VOTING FOR MCCAIN, are you here to stir up dissension and get MORE people not to vote for McCain??
You have a very high opinion of yourself. You’re either with us or against us at this point in the election and you are against us, I haven’t seen you posting at all until your flurry of BS tonight.
LOL! How true. McCain should just step down and let Palin run in his place.
I have 4000 posts to date and 90 threads. I see you get your information in the same manner McCain gets his. I guess thats why you support him.
John McCain did what he was supposed to do tonight, he exuded confidence in people who like my oldest son was a big time Obama fan until the Wall Street fiasco made him think twice about wanting some experienced person leading this country.
Now is not the time to be letting some unproven person sit heading this great country.
Pray for some 527’s to start running the Ayers and Fannie and Freddie stuff non-stop...other than that, McCain didn’t do what he needed to do tonight.
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