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Exclusive: Inside Account of U.S. Eavesdropping on Americans
ABC ^ | 10/9/08 | Brian Ross, Vic Walter, Anna Schecter

Posted on 10/09/2008 8:00:23 AM PDT by steve-b

Despite pledges by President George W. Bush and American intelligence officials to the contrary, hundreds of US citizens overseas have been eavesdropped on as they called friends and family back home, according to two former military intercept operators who worked at the giant National Security Agency (NSA) center in Fort Gordon, Georgia.

"These were just really everyday, average, ordinary Americans who happened to be in the Middle East, in our area of intercept and happened to be making these phone calls on satellite phones," said Adrienne Kinne, a 31-year old US Army Reserves Arab linguist assigned to a special military program at the NSA's Back Hall at Fort Gordon from November 2001 to 2003.

Kinne described the contents of the calls as "personal, private things with Americans who are not in any way, shape or form associated with anything to do with terrorism."...

Faulk says he and others in his section of the NSA facility at Fort Gordon routinely shared salacious or tantalizing phone calls that had been intercepted, alerting office mates to certain time codes of "cuts" that were available on each operator's computer.

"Hey, check this out," Faulk says he would be told, "there's good phone sex or there's some pillow talk, pull up this call, it's really funny, go check it out. It would be some colonel making pillow talk and we would say, 'Wow, this was crazy'," Faulk told ABC News....

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1984; abuse; bigbrother; nineteeneightyfour; nsa; phonesex; sleaze; stevebisatroll; tyranny
Your tax dollars at work.
1 posted on 10/09/2008 8:00:23 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: steve-b

Oh - did they recall Brian Ross from Alaska once he hit 50 dead ends trying to find Palin dirt?


2 posted on 10/09/2008 8:02:18 AM PDT by relictele
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To: steve-b

My BS meter is pegged at full alert.


3 posted on 10/09/2008 8:02:18 AM PDT by Islander7 (The only thing Obama has to fear is the truth!)
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To: steve-b

And here comes the deflection...

McCain must be going to do something out of the ordinary. These kinds of stories are only run out when something damaging is let loose into the wild.

Know what I mean?


4 posted on 10/09/2008 8:04:55 AM PDT by Explodo (Pessimism is simply pattern recognition)
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To: relictele
Another attempt at relevance from the esteemed Brian Ross.
5 posted on 10/09/2008 8:05:48 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: steve-b
ordinary Americans who happened to be in the Middle East

No one "just happens to be in the Middle East", you're there for a reason. It could be business, visiting family, passing through to somewhere else, or up to no good. There are few places in the Middle East one goes or even can go for vacation/entertainment.

6 posted on 10/09/2008 8:08:10 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: steve-b

According to Hot Air, there’s more to the story:

“Update II: Hmm. It looks like ABC didn’t do enough research on one of its sources. Adrienne Kinne is also on the board of directors of Iraq Veterans Against the War, a fact ABC doesn’t mention in its piece. Faulk now works for the Metro Spirit as a reporter and doesn’t appear to have joined any organized political opposition to the war, but has spoken out against it.
Does that make them not credible? Not necessarily, especially with Faulk. They may have come to oppose the war based on these very experiences. However, ABC certainly should have told its readers and viewers about Kinne’s association with IVAW.”

Here’s the link: http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/09/nsa-listening-to-phone-sex-instead-of-terrorists/


7 posted on 10/09/2008 8:08:48 AM PDT by Hatheos
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To: steve-b

This is simply an incredibly dense statement:

“These were just really everyday, average, ordinary Americans who happened to be in the Middle East, in our area of intercept and happened to be making these phone calls on satellite phones,” said Adrienne Kinne, a 31-year old US Army Reserves Arab linguist assigned to a special military program at the NSA’s Back Hall at Fort Gordon from November 2001 to 2003.”

Just happened to be in the Middle East, just happened to be using Sat Phones..

Well...duuhhh...who else should the NSA be monitoring if not these folks?


8 posted on 10/09/2008 8:09:06 AM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: steve-b

OK, that does it. Let’s shut down NSA. Gentlemen don’t open other gentlemen’s mail. I would rather have a 1,000 9/11s than have someone listening in to the private calls of an American in the Middle East—not.


9 posted on 10/09/2008 8:13:24 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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To: ASA Vet; Grampa Dave; LonePalm; Old Sarge
Not necessarilyMI ping

This sort of thing buys Brig Time.
10 posted on 10/09/2008 8:15:37 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: BIGLOOK

Brig time, maybe - if the perps weren’t Clinton holdouts and fifth columnists for The One (piss be unto him)...


11 posted on 10/09/2008 8:21:32 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Illic Est Haud Deus)
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To: steve-b

Just average ordinary, Arab Speaking americans, in the middle east, calling back to their families in the US on SAT phones. Speaking in Arabic because we all know that is the native and national language of the majority of the United States...or at least its scheduled to be in Obama’s second term./sarc


12 posted on 10/09/2008 8:22:36 AM PDT by johncocktoasten (Obama/Biden '08, in and of itself, A Bridge To Nowhere)
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To: steve-b

I ain’t going to his site.

However, the GayRadar meters are ringing off their hooks:

Hard Young Punk
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13 posted on 10/09/2008 8:49:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah !)
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To: BIGLOOK; ASA Vet; LonePalm

The so called listening happened when so called Americans were overseas not in America.

However, serious brig time for anyone, who talked to a left wing reporter about how it was done would be indicated.


14 posted on 10/09/2008 8:52:13 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah !)
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To: steve-b

This is why I’ve never supported this kind of thing. If all branches of government go dem, would you like them to have this power?


15 posted on 10/09/2008 8:54:02 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Grampa Dave
The so called listening happened when so called Americans were overseas not in America.

So US military officers stationed in the Middle East are relegated to "so called Americans," in your book?

16 posted on 10/09/2008 8:59:09 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: mysterio

They just ignore they law.


17 posted on 10/09/2008 9:03:43 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

‘So US military officers stationed in the Middle East are relegated to “so called Americans,” in your book?’

Can you explain your reply, I don’t understand where you are coming from:

“”These were just really everyday, average, ordinary Americans who happened to be in the Middle East, in our area of intercept and happened to be making these phone calls on satellite phones,” said Adrienne Kinne, a 31-year old US Army Reserves Arab linguist.”


18 posted on 10/09/2008 9:20:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah !)
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To: mysterio
This is why I’ve never supported this kind of thing. If all branches of government go dem, would you like them to have this power?

If the dems come to power and I am in the meddle east they are welcome to enjoy my pillow talk if it means protecting my country.

19 posted on 10/09/2008 9:24:56 AM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: steve-b

“Kinne described the contents of the calls as “personal, private things with Americans who are not in any way, shape or form associated with anything to do with terrorism.”...

If true, this nonsense needs to be stopped and the perps punished. After all, how is this snooping any different than the TN idiot who hacked into Palin’s e-mail account??


20 posted on 10/09/2008 9:30:02 AM PDT by KantianBurke (President Bush, why did you abandon Specialist Ahmed Qusai al-Taei?)
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To: usurper

“If the dems come to power and I am in the meddle east they are welcome to enjoy my pillow talk if it means protecting my country.”

Assuming you have a daughter, suppose she calls you while you’re over there and tearfully admits to an abortion. You still have no objections to Seaman Schumukatelly listening in on your “pillow talk?” Please understand I hope you never have to endure this type of scenario and am mentioning it for demonstrative purposes only.


21 posted on 10/09/2008 9:35:53 AM PDT by KantianBurke (President Bush, why did you abandon Specialist Ahmed Qusai al-Taei?)
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To: Grampa Dave
Can you explain your reply, I don’t understand where you are coming from:

I take it you didn't actually read the entire article.

"She said US military officers, American journalists and American aid workers were routinely intercepted and "collected on" as they called their offices or homes in the United States,:

Faulk says he and others in his section of the NSA facility at Fort Gordon routinely shared salacious or tantalizing phone calls that had been intercepted...

"Hey, check this out," Faulk says he would be told, "there's good phone sex or there's some pillow talk, pull up this call, it's really funny, go check it out. It would be some colonel making pillow talk and we would say, "Wow this was crazy," Faulk told ABC News


22 posted on 10/09/2008 9:38:20 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: KantianBurke
"Adrienne Kinne, a 31-year old US Army Reserves Arab linguist assigned to a special military program at the NSA's Back Hall at Fort Gordon from November 2001 to 2003

Especially if she tells you in Arabic.

23 posted on 10/09/2008 9:40:56 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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To: VanShuyten
Well, duh. They have people who speak Arabic to listen to phone calls from Arab countries.

You sound like the pointy-haired boss who went off on a tear after being informed that 40% of sick days were taken on Monday and Friday.

24 posted on 10/09/2008 9:50:38 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Actually I have read the article 3 times, and I still don’t understand your comments.


25 posted on 10/09/2008 9:50:58 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah !)
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To: Grampa Dave

What’s not to understand? These jack-offs (literally?) are using the surveillance system as a personal phone-sex line instead of doing their jobs.


26 posted on 10/09/2008 9:52:04 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: steve-b

So NSA shouldn’t be monitoring phone calls from Americans who just happen to be in the middle east. Phone calls to Arabic speaking people.

Is that what you are saying?

What should NSA be doing?


27 posted on 10/09/2008 9:55:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah !)
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To: Grampa Dave; BIGLOOK; LonePalm
Wonder how she'll feel about it when an SSO officer shows up to interrogate her regarding her violations of several NDA’s she signed to get the SCI access?
They can be downright impolite.

Ft. Leavenworth probably has a room available

28 posted on 10/09/2008 9:57:43 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Grampa Dave

You said “The so called listening happened when so called Americans were overseas not in America.” Since US military officers serving in Iraq were listened in on, I can only assume that they fall into your category of “so called Americans.” Does that make it clear?


29 posted on 10/09/2008 9:59:22 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: KantianBurke
Assuming you have a daughter, suppose she calls you while you’re over there and tearfully admits to an abortion

And the flip side is NOT having access to terrorists talking about blowing people up?

You can't be serious.

30 posted on 10/09/2008 10:01:16 AM PDT by what's up
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To: steve-b
Read the backgounds of the 2 sources you are believing in post #7. Why would you automatically believe these two when they are known for agitating against the war?

Tax dollars have been used in listening into networks and intercepting genuine information about terror activities.

One of the very, very best use of tax dollars.

31 posted on 10/09/2008 10:10:15 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Grampa Dave
What should NSA be doing?

All I know is that I'm not paying these guys to sit around jerking off while they listen to salacious private conversations.

32 posted on 10/09/2008 10:13:39 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: steve-b

Anyone remember Echelon? A Clinton Admin. program allowing the Brits to listen to Americans , the US listening to Brits. Then exchanging info.

IOW, nothing new and repub.

On another note, some years ago I worked in a job that got calls from individuals at a nearby AFB.

Many calls were recorded, even though the calls had nothing to do w/ the AF or the base.

While conversing w/ the airmen, every 30 sec. there was a beep alerting us the call was being recorded.


33 posted on 10/09/2008 10:16:38 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: steve-b
All I know....

You know nothing.

You read something about the NSA in an AP news story, but you know nothing about the NSA.

34 posted on 10/09/2008 10:22:09 AM PDT by been_lurking
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To: steve-b; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK; LonePalm

You know for sure that the guys were sitting around jerking off.

If so, NSA would like to hear from you.


35 posted on 10/09/2008 2:39:26 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah !)
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To: Grampa Dave

Cut this guy loose, Dave. The problem wasn’t the eavesdropping, it was the gossip.


36 posted on 10/09/2008 6:54:51 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: Grampa Dave

What should NSA be doing?

Not monitoring the phone calls of America’s military heroes period.


37 posted on 10/10/2008 7:31:57 AM PDT by sonofdob
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To: Grampa Dave

What should NSA be doing?

Not monitoring the phone calls of America’s military heroes period.


38 posted on 10/10/2008 7:32:03 AM PDT by sonofdob
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To: steve-b

The NSA intercepts telecommunications!? WHO’DA THUNK IT!

This kind of feigned indignation and surprise is really irritating. The biggest collection of the cream of the mental crop with the biggest computer network on the planet - what do you think they do?! They’ve been doing this since they were No Such Agency.


39 posted on 10/10/2008 7:48:55 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (This line intentionally left blank)
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To: sonofdob; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK

So we no longer have Benedict Arnolds in our military?

My uncles in WWII had every piece of mail sent to their relatives censored and often parts would arrive at home with a lot of deletions.

The same happened with my cousins in the Korean war.

A simple unintended slip of the lip can mean the death of innocent warriors then and today.

With millions of Opecker Thug money around, the slips might be intentional.

Anyone using a private or public sat phone in the middle east or S America is a possible suspect and will be monitored.


40 posted on 10/10/2008 8:44:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah !)
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To: Jack of all Trades
Amen~

The NSA intercepts telecommunications!? WHO’DA THUNK IT!

This kind of feigned indignation and surprise is really irritating. The biggest collection of the cream of the mental crop with the biggest computer network on the planet - what do you think they do?! They’ve been doing this since they were No Such Agency.

41 posted on 10/10/2008 8:47:04 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah !)
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To: Grampa Dave
ASA Vet wearing his No Such Agency hat
42 posted on 10/10/2008 8:55:46 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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