Berg response in oppostion to Obama / DNC protective order

Obama Crimes ^ | Oct. 9, 2008 | Philip Berg

[cmet]

I do not understand how we can have requirements to be President, and there is not some government agency or committee to verify all requirements are met.

Having requirements with no official verification is worthless.

Can someone enlighten me?

[BigEdLB]

There is the “official” one in Hawaii, if he was really born there, but he has to ask for it from the Honolulu authorities himself, because both his parents are dead, so he is the only living person with “Standing”.

[TexasGreg]

if he doesn't have his BC he can always say that his mother had it and lost it.... its like....prove that he ISN'T a real, naturalized US citizen....

Even if his mother lost her copy of it, the original vault copy should be on file with the government in government records in Hawaii. Eventually all that kind of stuff will be digitized, but as of right now I'd bet you dollars to donuts that they still have the physical copies of all BCs for all living people born in Hawaii. If so, the Hawaii records dept should be able to produce it. If not, then it wasn't "lost" ... it either never was or it was removed from records because its standing was revoked when he and his mother became citizens of Indonesia.

to add, doesn't he have to produce a copy of his request to be a US citizen?

No. According to the stipulations of the original lawsuit all he has to produce is "1) a certified copy of Obama’s “vault” (original long version) Birth Certificate; and (2) a certified copy of Obama’s Certificate of Citizenship; and (3) a certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance taken by Obama taken at the age of majority." 1. Is required to prove he was a natural born US Citizen. (a specific requirement of the US Constitution) 2. Is required to prove that he is still a citizen ... required because he once had dual citizenship (by his OWN admission) with Kenya and, by the records uncovered by others, also in Indonesia ... where it could NOT have been "dual" but had to have been superseding (i.e., Indonesia didn't allow dual citizenship with the USA in the 1960s, and visa versa). 3. Is required to demonstrate how he would have re-instated his citizenship on or after his 18th birthday, revoking his Indonesian Citizenship. This is NECESSARY because if he didn't, then he's still a citizen of Indonesia and NOT of the USA. It's not a problem for him to have done this, however ... since it was his mother who became an Indonesian citizen, and that status was conferred on him, when he reached his 18th birthday the option would remain with him ... he could remain an Indonesian citizen OR he could pick up his US Citizenship through an Oath of Allegiance. Today the laws and policies of the US Government -- and the Government of Indonesia -- have changed and dual citizenship is allowed. That wasn't the case in the 1970s. If he never did sign an Oath of Allegiance he does still have the option of doing this -- thanks to the changes in US law and State Department Policy -- and re-acquiring his US Citizenship. Perhaps he's waiting for the Election to be done and then plans on doing this prior to his inauguration and THAT is why he's fighting this? Who knows?

In the very least it would be politically damaging for him to have to admit that he has (1) dual citizenship (which would call into question for MILLIONS of people the veracity of his undivided loyalty to the US -- FAR WORSE than an unwillingness to salute the flag!), (2) lacked US citizenship for a portion of his adult life due to negligence on his part in not signing an Oath of Allegiance. If there is a cloud on his US citizenship today due to any of the above, it may have more than just political ramification ... it may disqualify him for the office until he can get the cloud removed. And, that would mean that it behooves him to clear the cloud NOW, rather than wait ... but it may be political inexpedient for him to do so (it may result in him losing the election). So, he'd rather wait and run the risk of being declared ineligible AFTER the election (meaning that we would be getting President Biden and a Vice President Clinton (probably) ... which, furthermore, would mean that, after two years and 1 day in office, Biden would have a mysterious "accident" and Hillary would become President ... the delay in this succession being timed so-as to allowe Hillary to run for two of her own terms and not run afoul of the 10-year limit).

[MrB]

If those documents exist and do not contain damaging information,

they could be produced within a day and that would end this argument and embarass Berg and all making the claim that 0bama is not Constitutionally qualified.

[MrB]

The more we see of 0bama and his plans for the country, the more I would welcome a President Hillary over a President Barry.

[TexasGreg]

There is the “official” one in Hawaii, if he was really born there, but he has to ask for it from the Honolulu authorities himself, because both his parents are dead, so he is the only living person with “Standing”.

And Berg's point is that, since Obama is placing himself forward for an office which has, as one of its Constitutional requirements, Natural-born US Citizenship, the entire American Electorate has "Standing" to see that he meets the qualification. Berg is right, as far as that goes. So long as Obama remained a private individual he could keep those issues to himself, but when he placed himself on the ticket for the Presidency he opens himself to scrutiny on wether he qualifies ... and, to this point, he has not proven his qualifications. The "Certificate of Live Birth" that is posted on the Daily Kos and has been accepted by Factcheck.org is demonstrably a forgery ... and even if it were NOT a forgery, it wouldn't satisfy the question of his current US Citizenship status relative to his history of dual citizenships in two countries during his childhood years.

[TexasGreg]

There is the “official” one in Hawaii, if he was really born there, but he has to ask for it from the Honolulu authorities himself, because both his parents are dead, so he is the only living person with “Standing”.

Agreed ... which is what has caused me to change my mind on this matter. I sued to believe that this was just nonsense ... there was NO WAY that the DNC would allow a non-citizen, or a person who has a shadow on his citzenship, to run for office. Given how the DNC and the Obama Campaign have been fighting this, however, I have come to believe that there MUST be something they're trying to hide ... something they don't want the American people to see. Could it possibly be something as silly and simple as the box for religion on his BC long form containing the word: "Muslim" ??? If so ... while I can understand his desire not to have to address the political damage that would do him in some circles, he response to the revelation would have been easier to stomach 3 months ago. Today it just raises more questions. SO ... I don't think it's JUST that. I think there's something wrong with his citizenship standing due to his having obtained Indonesian citizenship thanks to his mother's naturalization. He either failed to sign the oath of allegiance, failed to sign up or the Draft, or SOMETHING ... something that would come out if his BC, his Certificate of Live Birth, and his Oath of Allegiance were revealed. Something that might not disqualify him from office, but which would so harm him, politically, that enough people wouldn't vote for him to throw the election to McCain.

[MrB]

Perhaps he was born of a jackal and his mother’s real baby was killed and replaced with Barry....

just sayin’...

[TexasGreg]

Perhaps he was born of a jackal and his mother’s real baby was killed and replaced with Barry....

just sayin’...

hardy har har har.

[cherry]

we can be sure that hussein is working on destroying whatever official bc he has on file in Hawaii....that or “alter” it.....

[Gemsbok]

A 527, not McCain, needs to run an ad linking his refusal to salute the flag to this issue to Ayer’s trampling the flag.

“.....he’d rather wait and run the risk of being declared ineligible AFTER the election (meaning... President Biden and a Vice President Clinton..., Biden would have a mysterious “accident” and Hillary would become President .....”

No need for that, She would drive him absolutely mentally insane and the poor man would rip out the hair plugs and gladly retire!

[seekthetruth]

“How hard is it to produce a birth certificate?

Why isn’t NBC and CNN clamoring over this, like the Panama deal with McCain?”

Why would they clamor over that when they knew this was going on during the primary and ingored it! Just listen to each 3 to 4 minute video! These would make great campaign ads for McCain against “the one”.
http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm

[Sister_T]

Interesting videos. Pretty bad when Democrats commit fraud against themselves!

[seekthetruth]

Please send the video link with the four short videos below to EVERYONE you know including EVERY Obama supporter you know and just ask one simple question.

What do you think, do you see voter fraud??
http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm

[seekthetruth]

“Interesting videos. Pretty bad when Democrats commit fraud against themselves!”

That is why I hope EVERY FREEPER sends this link to EVERYONE they know including EVERY Obama supporter they know with just this simple question!

What do you think, do you see VOTER FRAUD??
http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm

[seekthetruth]

That is why I wish EVERYONE would send the link below to EVERYONG they know including EVERY Obama supporter they know with just the following simple question!

What do YOU think, do YOU see any VOTER FRAUD?
http://www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm