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The U.S. Faces Serious Risks of Brownouts or Blackouts in 2009, Study Warns
Next Gen Energy Council ^ | Oct. 1, 2008 | Next Gen Energy Council

Posted on 10/11/2008 9:51:24 AM PDT by AuntB

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To: Onerom99

For a second there, I thought that might be his rectal thermometer! Then finally my eyes focused correctly...


41 posted on 10/11/2008 10:46:40 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Obama... Just another lying Commonist Communutty Organizing thug from the south side of Chicago!!!)
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To: norge
So much for those electric cars.

Yup. I've been saying this since the time of Gray-out Gray Davis of California.

And even some FReepers don't get it!

Their DRILL!!! DRILL!!!, DRILL!!! mantra as the only energy source needed in the country, is incredibly myopic.

They have no clue that non-hybrid electric cars need electrical power to charge the batteries.

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"I'll get electricity for my electric car from lightning!"

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42 posted on 10/11/2008 10:56:48 AM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net; all)
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To: boomop1
The biggest mistake this country made was making the EPA a cabinet post, another Nixon screw up.

True. But neither, Ford, Reagan, BushI, or BushII dissolved the agency.

If I sat in the big chair for one week, 2/3 of DC would be on unemployment.

About the only thing operating would be the Pentagon, and agencies directly related to national security, and immigration (which is related to national security).

43 posted on 10/11/2008 11:01:27 AM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net; all)
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To: lonevoice

Our country is being brought to its knees.


44 posted on 10/11/2008 11:01:53 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: AuntB

Congress will call the electricity producers on the carpet, blame them, and threaten to “socialize” them.


45 posted on 10/11/2008 11:19:15 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: AuntB
"...the annual capacity factor of wind generators is typically about 25 - 35 percent. However, the probability that wind generators are available at their rated value during annual peak periods is only between 5 - 20 percent and varies greatly from year to year and region to region...."

Wind energy is ridiculously inefficient and yet we continue to build wind farms in the Midwest. A good example of the consequences of relying on wind power happened in Texas on February 28, 2008 when a large weather front shutdown man of the states windmills and resulted in power cuts.

46 posted on 10/11/2008 11:23:34 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: The Great RJ

Agreed!


47 posted on 10/11/2008 11:25:02 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: RC2

Living in tornado/hurricane land, we have two generators also. You couldn’t give better advice. They are a blessing when the power is out.


48 posted on 10/11/2008 11:37:56 AM PDT by LakeLady (I was my mama's October surprise!!!! /Defeat Nobama /Bidet)
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To: LakeLady

I forgot to mention...Buy generators B/4 they are needed. It’s one of the highest gouge rate items when there is an emergency!!!!


49 posted on 10/11/2008 11:39:20 AM PDT by LakeLady (I was my mama's October surprise!!!! /Defeat Nobama /Bidet)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Alaska Village Moves from Diesel to ‘Micro-Nuke’ (Well, not quite yet)

http://www.primidi.com/2005/02/06.html


50 posted on 10/11/2008 11:43:37 AM PDT by listenhillary (Should we turn Alaska or Texas into our Galt's Gulch?)
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To: AuntB

Since 2000 the US population has grown by 23 million or the equivalent of the current population of Texas. About two-thirds of the increase is due to immigration, legal and illegal. We will add another 135 million by 2050, again due primarily to immigration. There is a correlation between increased energy requirements and immigration.


51 posted on 10/11/2008 11:44:16 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

“Since 2000 the US population has grown by 23 million or the equivalent of the current population of Texas. About two-thirds of the increase is due to immigration, legal and illegal. We will add another 135 million by 2050, again due primarily to immigration. There is a correlation between increased energy requirements and immigration.”

Absolutely!

-What does AMNESTY look like?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1840655/posts

Do you realize if this AMNESTY happens we are in effect creating the equivilent of adding over 17 more states to this country? And that’s not even considering the chain migration that is in the Senate bill.

Please look at what giving amnesty to as many as 20,000,000 illegal alien foreign nationals actually represents. More than the population of 16 states and DC!

According to the 2000 census, 18,785,867 is the total populations combined of Wyoming, Dist. of Columbia, Vermont, Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Delaware, Montana, Rhode Island, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Maine, Idaho, Nebraska, West Virginia, New Mexico and Nevada.

THINK about that.

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/population.shtml


52 posted on 10/11/2008 11:53:13 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: AuntB

Just in time for Obama odinga to proclaim Marshall law and a rewriting of the CONSTITUTION be in order...

You know in that Eloquent way he has that sends tingles up the legs of the media.

obama is an infection, McCain and Sarah Palin are the only cure.


53 posted on 10/11/2008 11:59:31 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Night of the Obama Zombies (Premier 11/04/08. Coming to a neighborhood near you))
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To: AuntB

Yep. Rector estimated that we would add 66 million legal immigrants over 20 years if we had an amnesty and that was based on an 11.9 million illegals. And that number would be well over 100 million if we have 20 million illegals here. Unfortunately, the American public has no idea about the impact chain migration has. Every major challenge this nation faces is either driven or significantly affected by immigration.


54 posted on 10/11/2008 12:01:16 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

“Every major challenge this nation faces is either driven or significantly affected by immigration.”

LOL! Including Obama! I’m sure he wasn’t taught the pledge of allegiance in a foreign nation as a child. Maybe that’s why he didn’t put his hand over his heart....


55 posted on 10/11/2008 12:09:28 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: tomnbeverly

“obama is an infection, McCain and Sarah Palin are the only cure.”

There’s a tagline!


56 posted on 10/11/2008 12:10:14 PM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Pride in the USA

Do y’all have a generator? A well-prepared mutual friend of ours suggests that would be an excellent precautionary purchase at this time.


57 posted on 10/11/2008 12:49:07 PM PDT by lonevoice (John McCain was a Kinoki foot pad in the Reagan Revolution)
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To: norge

None of this is news to any EE paying attention to the power grid issues.

I’ve been telling hippy-dip advocates of “zero emissions vehicles” for years that using huge amounts of electric power to power cars would crump the US HV transmission grid. There simply isn’t enough transmission capacity, and the reason for this is that the grid hasn’t kept up with population shifts and population growth.

The worst part of the electric vehicle load is that there will be a huge, highly correlated load on the system. A large number of people will get home between 5 and 6:30pm, plug in their car and leave it overnight. That is the same time that the electric load is peaking as people get home, turn on A/C in the summer, then start cooking, cleaning, laundry, lights, computers, etc.

There are two solutions to this:

1. More HV transmission capacity. This is hugely expensive.

2. Make smaller power plants, locate them closer to their load centers and dispense with the need for wheeling huge blocks of power between new, huge power sources located at hundreds of miles remove from the area of usage.

There are these neat little 15MW, self-contained nuke reactors that you bury in the ground, hook ‘em up, and start them. Locate these around urban areas and wheel the power over a significantly shorter, cheaper, lower-voltage transmission path into the usage market.


58 posted on 10/11/2008 2:21:16 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Terry Mross

You have not only that, you have your own power transmission and generation co-ordination area.

Other than AK and HI, TX is the only state that could talk about secession and pull it off, physically. You have your own telecom network, you have your own power transmission network, you have a lot of infrastructure in both generation and transmission. No other state in the CONUS can do anything other than dream about secession.


59 posted on 10/11/2008 2:23:32 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: lonevoice

FYI — for people considering gensets:

If power becomes erratic in reliability, please purchase and install (or have an electrician install) a proper transfer switch. There’ nothing you want to do less than allow power to feed back into the grid. Burns up your generator, and presents possible lethal dangers to linemen working on power in your neighborhood.

As for gensets: I like diesels. The slower the diesel, the better. Any 1800 RPM diesel is MUCH better than these 3600 RPM gasoline gensets - the slow-speed diesels will last 10K hours or more with care.

I’ve yet to see any of the gasoline consumer gensets last more than about 500 hours, even with care. They’re just not built for a lot of use - they’re built for erratic use with light loads.

The other nice thing about diesel gensets is that the fuel can last in storage for years. Gasoline varnishes pretty quickly now, but diesel fuel keeps for years. Just put some biocide into the fuel every so often, keep a filter on the fuel tank output line, drain off any water that collects and you’re good to go.


60 posted on 10/11/2008 2:34:43 PM PDT by NVDave
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