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Using Biology, Not Religion, to Argue Against Same-Sex Marriage
The NY Times O ^ | October 11, 2008 | RAY RIVERA and CHRISTINE STUART

Posted on 10/12/2008 7:43:56 AM PDT by presidio9

Patricia and Wesley Galloway could not have children of their own. Yet for them, the essence of marriage is rooted in procreation.

“It takes a man and a woman to create children and thus create a family,” Mrs. Galloway, 60, told a legislative panel in Connecticut last year as it was considering a bill to legalize same-sex marriage.

The bill never went to a vote, but on Friday the Connecticut Supreme Court eliminated the need for a bill when it struck down the state’s civil union law and ruled that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry.

The decision was cheered by gay couples who argued that civil unions, despite giving them the same rights as married couples, were something less than marriage. But it has caused consternation among opponents of gay marriage, many of whom, like the Galloways, say their objections are not based on religion or morality, but in nature.

The Galloways represent one side of a debate that is often charged by undercurrents of bigotry and religious belief. The court’s ruling on Friday went on at length about the history of discrimination against gay people.

While they are Christians, the Galloways say they refuse to use religion to defend their view of marriage because it just muddies things. And they insist they are accepting of everyone, regardless of sexual orientation.

By protecting heterosexual marriage, what “we’re trying to do is protect the foundation of society,” Mrs. Galloway, a volunteer worker from Trumbull, Conn., said in a telephone interview on Saturday.

“Everyone who disagrees is automatically labeled a right-wing bigot,” she said.

Her husband added, “How can you be a bigot when you’re looking out for society as a whole?”

Connecticut joined California and Massachusetts as the only states to legalize gay marriage, adding to the long-running

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antimorality; antireligion; homosexualagenda; samesexmarriage
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1 posted on 10/12/2008 7:43:56 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

I’d suggest that the best approach is to use whatever method is effective. Those with religious beliefs will be swayed by religious arguments. Those without will mock religious arguments.

Facts and logic are likely to convince the non-religious straights. But if someone is living a gay lifestyle, it’s unlikely they will change their mind. They are going to continue to do whatever they find pleasurable and it has nothing to do with logic. If logic mattered, people would not smoke themselves to death or engage in activities likely to kill them with diseases like AIDS.


2 posted on 10/12/2008 7:50:15 AM PDT by generally (Don't act stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: generally

Forget the word “marriage”.

As a matter of simple biology, I don’t actually classify what homosexuals do to each other as “intercourse”. I feel it demeans the word.

Quite often, my opinions on this matter are generally not very well received.


3 posted on 10/12/2008 7:59:36 AM PDT by incredulous joe ("God, Guns and Babies")
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To: generally

As long as the door is open why not let 3 or 4 or 5 people get “married”? After all why discriminate against loving couples?
We should also legalize multiple wives and/or multiple
husbands.
IF it’s just about ending bigorty and discrimination then anything goes.
And society goes along with it.


4 posted on 10/12/2008 8:02:00 AM PDT by smoketree (sO)
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To: presidio9

We should always use biology and science to attack the lie of homosexual marriage and sexual deviancy. People can do whatever they wish with others but it does not make their behavior correct. There is a reason homosexuality is such a disease ridden behavior. Also the level of promiscuity involved in homosexual/bisexuality is such that it places all of society at risk as new forms of sexual pathogens are more likely to take root in those communities first.

Also the big lie that coming out is healthy for the young only serves to expose young people to contracting diseases and being abused by older homosexuals. Abuse in the homosexual world is almost never addressed today because of the prevalent activism. Young children have been left to be molested in the care of homosexual couples because human services workers did not want to deal with the reality and place themselves as the target of homosexual activists.

We live in a culture of denial. It both harms society and harms those who believe they fit in one of the alternative categories plus it exposes an entire new generation to real dangers and death. That we have shifted so far from this reality in such a short time is a testament to the power of propaganda not science. We must defend the truth regardless of the labels sexual activists who are so consumed by obsession with their own sexual peculiarities and thoughts that they can barely seem to control themselves behaviorally where sex is concerned. This alone is an indication of conditions that up until recently would have been associated with mental disease not much different from exhibitionism.


5 posted on 10/12/2008 8:04:28 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: smoketree

That is one of the big problems because this is not the end. They will push and push until every child must be indoctrinated with sexual activist propaganda. Parents have already been sent to jail for standing against this in places like Massachusetts. They have as a goal to take our political right to disagree through mislabeling all forms of sexual expression, no matter how deviant, civil rights.


6 posted on 10/12/2008 8:07:25 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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To: smoketree

As long as it provides revenue or delivers votes, the government will condone it. There is no longer any semblance of morality or working for “the good of society.”

The concept of individual rights and liberty is perverted to accommodate all manner of things that degrade society. Individual rights and liberty are denied in order to redistribute wealth which also degrades society if you bother to look closely, but which has a surface appearance of “fairness” which is exploited by those in government who can use it as a path to power and control.


7 posted on 10/12/2008 8:20:26 AM PDT by generally (Don't act stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: generally

Exactly!
They don’t care the slightest that they are playing with fire.
The narcissism of the left will destroy the host for temporary gain.
That makes the left parasites.


8 posted on 10/12/2008 8:42:48 AM PDT by smoketree (sO)
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To: smoketree

And what is next? Legal insest, child adult marriages, or relationships; beatuality? These things should even be named among a people in a nation “Under God.” May we pray for those in power and athority!!!!!


9 posted on 10/12/2008 8:43:08 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward--Anonymous))
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Under the guise of “not discrinating” anything goes as long as they vote democrat.


10 posted on 10/12/2008 8:51:06 AM PDT by smoketree (sO)
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To: smoketree

discriminating...not discrinating


11 posted on 10/12/2008 8:52:07 AM PDT by smoketree (sO)
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To: presidio9
From the article: On the other hand, Anne Stanback, executive director of Love Makes a Family, a group that supports gay marriage, says numerous studies show there is no difference in the way children develop mentally and physically in same-sex households. “It’s the quality of parenting, not the gender of the parents,” she said.

And they have a whopping eight years of data to support this contention?

12 posted on 10/12/2008 9:07:54 AM PDT by stayathomemom ( nowanemptynester)
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What I find interesting in the argument that so many same-sex couples try to make is the very one that you have highlighted here.... that basically it is the quality of parenting, not the gender of the parents. Looking through a host of education models, one of the primary roles in education, or learning, is modeling. Therefore, to say that a same-sex couple is capable of modeling the distinct differences in each gender is laughable at most... and then to be able to teach/model those roles is even more laughable. 9 out of 10 times, the arguments of the left are built on quicksand. If it is so easy for a same-sex couple to define, emulate and model gender-specific roles in marriage, relationships and society.... then why is it so hard for different races to understand each other... why is it that, for example, blacks are the only ones who understand what it is like growing up black... but two
wo(men) definitely understand what it means to be husband and wife and are therefore able to impart that knowledge to their children.........
13 posted on 10/12/2008 9:23:40 AM PDT by zimfam007 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: presidio9

Should kleptomanics have the right to steal? After all, they just “are” that way.

The Kleptomaniac Agenda needs to lobby some politicians, get one of their own in office.

That’s how the homosexuals did it.


14 posted on 10/12/2008 9:42:49 AM PDT by weegee (Obama's a uniter?"I want you to argue with them (friends,neighbors,Republicans) & get in their face")
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To: generally

every time I use the argument against I use the nature one

I’m not a church goer nor is anyone really I know but they are all opposed to homo marriage

If nature intended for two men to have sex and be together then nature would have let them reproduce, Nature does not and there fore it is not a natural act but more a of a mental state of mind for which IMO they need to seek help.

Ever notice that most homo men are not masculine nor are the homo women very feminine.

They lack estrogen and tester one and I believe a research was done in Scandinavia where they actually found this to be true and could cure homosexuality.

Course the homo groups condemned the report and said it was a waste of time


15 posted on 10/12/2008 10:41:28 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: smoketree

very true indeed

Every argument the homosexuals use whether it be private business, 4 walls, not affecting us, not hurting us, just want to be happy , all those arguments can be used for 4 wives, 7 husbands even mother marrying her daughter.

If polygimists started to use the same arguments and sued I wonder what the homo’s would say.
Why they have not is beyond me. They could say as well that it is discrimination against them being happy.
This is why marriage should stay as a man and a woman full stop nothing else

I guarantee for those people not too interested in this marriage amendment they sure will be wanting an amendment then


16 posted on 10/12/2008 10:45:35 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: stayathomemom

well as a foster child I always wanted a father to teach me how to work on cars, build things etc, I always wanted a mother for her love and compassion.
I could go to dad and ask about my first date and how I will feel as he has been there, I could not go and ask my mother as she has not been in my shoes.
My sister would go to a mother and ask her as a father cannot tell a daughter how she will feel through puberty

I have two boys and they come to me my daughter goes to my wife about things like boys, etc

two men cannot tell a girl how she’ll feel and that is why a mother and a father should be there for a child, not two of the same sex


17 posted on 10/12/2008 10:49:45 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: presidio9

use economics is my thought. The whole same sex marriage thing is a scam, like people who start up churches in their homes to get tax exemptions. They may be very sincere, but they don’t qualify. Nobody has to feel bad about it, they just don’t qualify. Like people 50 years old that want to retire and draw social security. They may have paid more in, etc., etc. but they don’t qualify. No one’s feelings need to be hurt. When women take time out from their careers, etc to raise children, the heterosexual couple ends up years behind a pair of homosexuals that have no such responsibility. Nor does the hetero couple have the leisure time to commit to further education, training, etc. that boost the careers , earning power etc of the homosexual pair. So whatever narrow economic advantage is to be gained from marriage, why does the homosexual pair want that advantage on top of all the previously enumerated. It’s a scam on heterosexual couples.


18 posted on 10/12/2008 8:14:16 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: smoketree

>>That makes the left parasites.

True, but “useful idiot” would be more accurately descriptive.

The financial meltdown is a direct result of the Rainbow Trojan Horse that provided Marxists with access to all levels of our financial infrastructure. We can all see the results - the implementation of a collectivist / socialist / rainbow agenda via corporate fiat.

Of course, we can observe in history that, when the Marxists do take over, the rainbow useful idiots will be among the first to be lined up against the wall and shot; along with the deadbeat mortgage holders they enabled.


19 posted on 10/13/2008 9:59:29 AM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: gusopol3
>>use economics is my thought. The whole same sex marriage thing is a scam,
 
Ah, but these economics do have a biological factor.
 
One of their primary objective's is to obtain medical benefits; medical insurance, that will pay for their abuse of medical technology - for their abominable procreation.
 
For example... making sperm from female stem cells.
 
 
 
 
As always, the Eunuchs  want to take over the collective pyramid.

20 posted on 10/13/2008 10:10:31 AM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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