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Little Murders [Bishop Chaput Slams Obama on Abortion & Blasts Kmiec for Misleading Catholics]
Publ;ic Discourse ^ | Oct 18, 2008 | Charles J. Chaput

Posted on 10/17/2008 5:32:11 PM PDT by Diago

Edited on 10/18/2008 5:17:26 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In an address delivered on October 17, Archbishop Charles J. Chaput stated that ''Prof. Douglas Kmiec has a strong record of service to the Church and the nation in his past. But I think his activism for Senator Barack Obama, and the work of Democratic-friendly groups like Catholics United and Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, have done a disservice to the Church, confused the natural priorities of Catholic social teaching, undermined the progress pro-lifers have made, and provided an excuse for some Catholics to abandon the abortion issue instead of fighting within their parties and at the ballot box to protect the unborn.''


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KEYWORDS: abortion; antichrist; archbishopchaput; babykillers; babykilling; catholic; infanticide; kmiec; obama; obamabinladen; plannedbarrenhood; prolife; rcc; righttolife
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To: Diago

I am thankful for another voice in the Catholic church leading the charge against abortion.


41 posted on 10/17/2008 10:28:06 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (The LA Times, 10/6/08, was told to cut "75 editorial positions." How many are needed for 2 pages?)
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To: pray4liberty

I would love that. There would be a lot of people leaving, but priests should call a spade a spade.

What’s even worse than believing it yourself and voting for it is leading your wife, your children, your friends, and other people down the path to hell.


42 posted on 10/17/2008 10:31:14 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: ConservativeMind

He was one of the biggest leaders in the charge. If McCain wins Colorado, check out the Catholic vote. If there’s an unusually high vote for Catholics in favor of McCain, you’ll know Bishop Chaput probably had a major hand in that victory.


43 posted on 10/17/2008 10:34:49 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: diamond6

Oh, I know what it is. It is the Encyclical Letter of His Holiness Pope Leo XIII issued on May 15, 1891, “On the Condition of the Working Classes.”

I was just surprised to see it cited in support of leftist policies, as it contains passages such as this:

5. In any event, We see clearly, and all are agreed that the poor must be speedily and fittingly cared for, since the great majority of them live undeservedly in miserable and wretched conditions.

6. After the old trade guilds had been destroyed in the last century, and no protection was substituted in their place, and when public institutions and legislation had cast off traditional religious teaching, it gradually came about that the present age handed over the workers, each alone and defenseless, to the inhumanity of employers and the unbridled greed of competitors. A devouring usury, although often condemned by the Church, but practiced nevertheless under another form by avaricious and grasping men, has increased the evil; and in addition the whole process of production as well as trade in every kind of goods has been brought almost entirely under the power of a few, so that a very few rich and exceedingly rich men have laid a yoke almost of slavery on the unnumbered masses of non-owning workers.

7. To cure this evil, the Socialists, exciting the envy of the poor toward the rich, contend that it is necessary to do away with private possession of goods and in its place to make the goods of individuals common to all, and that the men who preside over a municipality or who direct the entire State should act as administrators of these goods. They hold that, by such a transfer of private goods from private individuals to the community, they can cure the present evil through dividing wealth and benefits equally among the citizens.

8. But their program is so unsuited for terminating the conflict that it actually injures the workers themselves. Moreover, it is highly unjust, because it violates the rights of lawful owners, perverts the function of the State, and throws governments into utter confusion.”

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that it would be perverted in the service of that which it condemns.


44 posted on 10/17/2008 10:38:46 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc

Holy Crap!

Unbelievable find, dsc!

I can’t believe first of all that he would go back over 100 years to make a point! And, obviously, the conditions of workers and the lower class then were probably a lot different than now.

That is unbelievable that the same Pope who talked about that actually came against socialism!

Thank you so much.

I will quote Pope Leo, too!

I’m going to have so much fun throwing a whole load of crap back in his face. :-)


45 posted on 10/17/2008 11:14:49 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: Diago; MHGinTN; cpforlife.org; Coleus; Mr. Silverback; Brad's Gramma; neverdem

Excellent article. If I didn’t already have the best tag line (taken from an observation someone made about Pope Benedict), this Baptist woman would use this one paraphrased from Bishop Chaput:
Don’t be quiet about moral wrong out of a misguided wish to be polite.

(”We need to remember that tolerance is not a Christian virtue, and it’s never an end in itself. In fact, tolerating grave evil within a society is itself a form of evil. Likewise, democratic pluralism does not mean that Catholics should be quiet in public about serious moral issues because of some misguided sense of good manners.”)

That link to “Obama and Infanticide” by George and Levin yields this, “Obama chose to defend the widest possible scope for legal abortion by building a fence around it, even if that meant permitting a child who survives an abortion to be left to die without even being afforded basic comfort care.”


46 posted on 10/17/2008 11:37:53 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: brushcop

Amen on your last two sentences! God help us.


47 posted on 10/18/2008 1:54:33 AM PDT by MonicaG (* * McCain/Palin '08! * *)
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To: Diago
The last line of the article is missing:

Copyright 2008 The Witherspoon Institute. All rights reserved.

Maybe this should be an excerpt so as to not infringe on COPYRIGHT...

At a minimum, the COPYRIGHT should be included...

48 posted on 10/18/2008 3:04:02 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Diago
Technically, it is not ARCHBISHOP CHAPUT speaking, but CITIZEN CHAPUT and AUTHOR CHAPUT speaking.

He is not speaking for the Archdiocese of Denver.

He may have the title of Archbishop, but that is not where or why these remarks are made (he makes this clear in the article/letter).

49 posted on 10/18/2008 3:05:53 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: dsc

Wow! Thanks! Can’t get much more clear than that.


50 posted on 10/18/2008 5:22:34 AM PDT by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: Diago; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
The truth is that for some Catholics, the abortion issue has never been a comfortable cause. It's embarrassing. It's not the kind of social justice they like to talk about. It interferes with their natural political alliances. And because the homicides involved in abortion are ''little murders'' - the kind of private, legally protected murders that kill conveniently unseen lives - it's easy to look the other way.

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51 posted on 10/18/2008 5:30:25 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: Diago

Douglas Kmiec is a cretinous turd who has sold its soul to Satan. One wonders in just what currency it got its thirty pieces.


52 posted on 10/18/2008 5:37:17 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: brushcop

Thank you.

The devil’s tools for conquering us are:

divide & conquer

and

despair.

We must resist both, and fight for God’s causes together.


53 posted on 10/18/2008 5:39:21 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: hocndoc
The wording is gradually coming around to the actual truth ofd Obama's Illinois legislature work. What Barack Obama opposed was ending an abortion method known as induced labor abortion. Babies born alive in such 'procedures' are not survivors of an abortion attempt, they are in the middle of bing murdered via targeted negelct.

Induced labor abortion methodology targets alive gestating children between 16 and 26 weeks of age, relying upon the under developed lungs of such alive children to force them into being born then leaving them to slowly suffocate unattended, alone, struggling until they succumb. THAT is what Barack Obama was protecting. That is wickedness and it was his means to empower his political capital, touting his work as 'defending Roe v Wade'.

Since you are a physician, could you perhaps tell me how murdering an alive child already separated from the woman's body is curative for her health? Obama seems to think he was protecting a woman's right to choose to have her physician treat her health concerns. How does murdering a child seaprate from he rbody treat her health?

If we didn't have a record of this man's life, we would be left to conclude that he's too stupid to be president since he has such flawed reasoning. But in fact, he's just serving wickedness as a means to empower himself. ... And catholics will vote for this demonspawn in astonishing numbers.

54 posted on 10/18/2008 7:58:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: hocndoc

Thanks for the ping.


55 posted on 10/18/2008 9:41:33 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: americanophile
Kmiec has fallen off the deep end. So pathetically sad.

It's rare to see someone who was pro-life go to the dark side, as Kmiec apparently has.

It must be at least as rare as it was for a free West German to defect to the totalitarian East.

The only instance I can remember of a prominent citizen's shift from pro-life to pro-"choice" was Jim Courter in NJ, quite a few years ago.

Courter flip-flopped on abortion in hopes of winning pro-abort votes in his race for Senate from NJ. He lost.

56 posted on 10/18/2008 10:37:04 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (Obama: The Only Senator Who Voted Against Stopping Infanticide)
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To: MHGinTN

It’s all about emotions - and what I call the “I want” ethics that are emphasized by making autonomy the primary value, over non maleficence and beneficence. “First, do no harm” is and should be the “First principle” of ethics, no matter how many “ethicists” disagree.


57 posted on 10/18/2008 12:38:39 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: shhrubbery!
It's rare to see someone who was pro-life go to the dark side, as Kmiec apparently has.

It is really rare among non-politicians. But not that rare among Dems seeking higher office. My guess is Kmiec sold his soul for the promise of some type of federal appointment.

From "Another Souper Candidate":

http://www.catholicity.com/commentary/coyne/souper.html

During the Great Irish Potato Famine in the mid-1800's, anti-Catholic zealots would occasionally bring large kettles of soup to Irish villages. The soup was free, but there was a catch. Before a starving Irishman could have even a sip of the soup, he would first have to renounce his Catholic faith.

So strong was the Catholic faith in Ireland at the time that many starved to death rather than selling their souls. However, a few did drink the soup. They became known as "soupers" – a derisive label that would stick to their families for generations.

Today, we are witnessing a similar real-life morality play. Only this one doesn't involve Irish farmers starving for food. This one involves ambitious politicians starving for power. The soup these politicians are being asked to drink is a concoction brewed up by the radical feminists and abortion profiteers who now control the Democratic Party. The reward for drinking this soup of death is the right to run for president as a Democrat.

Perhaps not surprisingly, Teddy Kennedy was among those first in line for a taste of the soup. In a 1971 letter, the then pro-life Teddy Kennedy wrote, "The legalization of abortion on demand is not in accordance with the value which our civilization places on human life. Wanted or unwanted, I believe that human life, even at its earliest stages, has certain rights which must be recognized – the right to be born, the right to love, the right to grow old." By 1980, Teddy had sipped the soup and was running for President as an outspoken supporter of abortion.

Likewise Jesse Jackson, before deciding to run for president, called abortion "black genocide." In 1977, Jackson wrote an article for National Right to Life News that said: "It takes three to make a baby: a man, a woman and the Holy Spirit. What happens to the mind of a person, and the moral fabric of a nation, that accepts the aborting of the life of a baby without a pang of conscience? What kind of a person and what kind of a society will we have 20 years hence if life can be taken so casually?" By 1988, Jackson had also sipped the soup and was running for President as an outspoken supporter of abortion.

Al Gore and Dick Gephardt are two more former pro-lifers who indulged in the soup and discarded their support for the unborn in preparation for a run for the presidency. And of course, few have gulped down the soup of death with the gusto of Bill Clinton, a man well known for his insatiable appetites. In a 1986 letter to Arkansas Right to Life, Clinton wrote: "I am opposed to abortion and to government funding of abortions. We should not spend state funds on abortions because so many people believe abortion is wrong." As we all know, Clinton went on to become the most radically pro-abortion President in our nation's history.

56-year-old Congressman Dennis Kucinich appears to be the latest addition to the Democratic Souper Club. Over a long political career, Kucinich maintained a near perfect pro-life voting record. As recently as last May, Kucinich press secretary, Kathie Scarrah, stated: "He absolutely believes in the sanctity of life and that life begins at conception." Then Kucinich began to think about running for President. It was time for some soup.

58 posted on 10/18/2008 12:55:20 PM PDT by Diago (The Truth About Margaret Sanger at http://margaretsanger.blogspot.com/)
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To: MHGinTN; hocndoc; dsc; Diago; MaryAnne

I received an email message back from Archbishop Chaput. He needs our prayers for his success at the next Bishops’ Conference. Here was his message to me:

“Thank you for your very kind words. I think there are a lot of bishops, priests and religious like your rationalizing friends. Several of us bishops tried and failed to get a stronger message at the last USCCB meeting. I’m sure that we will keep trying. The fact that people could read our current statement and arrive at different positions shows how equivocal the message is. Keep us in your prayers.”

May the Lord give you peace.
+cjc


59 posted on 10/18/2008 12:59:50 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: dsc
Oh, I know what it is. It is the Encyclical Letter of His Holiness Pope Leo XIII issued on May 15, 1891, “On the Condition of the Working Classes.”...

[SNIP]

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that it would be perverted in the service of that which it condemns.

Thank you so very much for pointing this out and highlighting the encyclical. Such actions that bring about malignant disinformation about the church make me very angry. What makes me even angrier is that we who grew up after VatII were NEVER exposed to any of this through 12 years of Catholic school. Chaput is so correct that there has been a massive failure in leadership.

60 posted on 10/18/2008 1:59:53 PM PDT by Desdemona (Lipstick only until the election. The gloss has been sacrificed for the greater good.)
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