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Searching for Obama's 95 Percent
The American Spectator ^ | 10.16.08 | Philip Klein

Posted on 10/18/2008 6:26:37 PM PDT by george76

"We are going to cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans," Barack Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, said in the spin room here at Hofstra University following the final debate of the 2008 presidential election.

Plouffe was repeating one of the boldest claims made by the Obama campaign. It's a claim that the Wall Street Journal editorial board dubbed "Obama's 95% Illusion," noting that more than a third of Americans don't pay any income taxes, and that what Obama's plan does do is offer a raft of subsidies and government payments to individuals and families that he redefines as "tax cuts." His proposal looks more like a redistribution scheme than an honest effort to reduce taxes -- as he revealed on Monday when he told a now famous Ohio plumber that his plan aimed to "spread the wealth around."

So when Plouffe reiterated the 95 percent claim, I asked him a simple question aimed at clarifying whether Obama's tax plan was about cutting rates, or merely handing out government checks. "What rates would actually go down"? I asked.

"Middle class people are going to see, systemically, their taxes reduced, and small businesses," Plouffe responded.

"But what rate would go down for lower-income Americans?" ...

"We'll have to get you the exact details on that," Obama's campaign manager told me.

"Well, you said that there's going to be a tax cut on 95 percent, so what rate would go down?"

He replied, "I'll have to get you the exact rate differential."

Given that he wasn't clear on the actual rate changes involved, I asked, "but which type of tax would go down?"

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bo; democrat; democrats; nobama; obama; obamatruthfile; obamatruthsquad

1 posted on 10/18/2008 6:26:37 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Why did John McCain never once expose 0bama’s “tax plan” for what it is during any of the debates?


2 posted on 10/18/2008 6:28:44 PM PDT by counterpunch (It's the SOCIALISM, Stupid!)
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To: Grampa Dave; LucyT; Candor7; SunkenCiv; jazusamo; neverdem; Jeff Head

How can Obama cut taxes for 95% of Americans when 40% pay no income tax?


3 posted on 10/18/2008 6:30:20 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

How is Obama’s claim that he will reduce taxes for 95% consistent with his idea of calling for “sacrifice” from Americans?


4 posted on 10/18/2008 6:39:22 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: I_Like_Spam
How is Obama’s claim that he will reduce taxes for 95% consistent with his idea of calling for “sacrifice” from Americans?

It's very consistent. He's going to pound businesses with extravagantly higher taxes. Those businesses will have no choice but to pass that along to consumers. This allows Obama to pontificate on how the fat cats are sticking it to the little guy, while simultaneously taxing 100% of the citizenry, using business as the tax collector. They take the heat, and Obama gets re-elected.

5 posted on 10/18/2008 6:46:23 PM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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To: I_Like_Spam

Just a note about Obama and taxes. he claims Bush tax cuts did nothing for the middle class. In 2002 a married couple with $75,000 of taxable income paid $2,600 more in federal tax than a couple with $75,000 of taxable income in 2007. Maybe the Dems think $216 more a month is nothing, but it would pay house insurance and the cable bill. It could add that money to an IRA every year. It could pay for a week in a good resort in the Hamptons or Montauk. Maybe Obama Reid and Pelosi don’t need $216 a month more but as one of the folks on the receiving end I appreciated the bucks.


6 posted on 10/18/2008 6:48:08 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Freedom is purchased not with gold, but with steel.)
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To: george76

Obama plans for over 1 trillion in new spending. Does anyone expect Obama to veto any tax increases? Plans to let tax cuts to expire in 2010. Voted 94 times to increase taxes.

Yeah, sure he is. Obama is selling the public nonsense.


7 posted on 10/18/2008 6:55:59 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: george76
How can Obama cut taxes for 95% of Americans when 40% pay no income tax?

Simple, 'that one' plans to spread the wealth around! All 100,000 of those idiots at the O'bama rally in St Louis today will be contributors! They don't realize that yet though........

8 posted on 10/18/2008 7:12:24 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: george76

I’m still waiting on that middle-class tax cut Bubba promised me in 2000. How anybody could trust a Democrat to cut taxes is beyond me.


9 posted on 10/18/2008 7:18:14 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: counterpunch
Why did John McCain never once expose 0bama’s “tax plan” for what it is during any of the debates?

Because he and the RNC are not too bright, and have no common sense.

10 posted on 10/18/2008 7:22:49 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: I_Like_Spam
Paying more taxes is “the patriotic thing to do” according to Joe Biden. That means 95% of Americans will become less patriotic and 5% will become super-patriots. This election comes down to a choice between a society of entitlement and a society of responsibility. The Democrats are counting on 95% to vote for more entitlements.

McCain should offer tax cuts to 100% of Americans. That would really get money into the economy and actually increase tax revunues.

11 posted on 10/18/2008 7:48:41 PM PDT by ucsd1974 (A: Cow manure, Biden, Obama...Q: Name two fertilizers and one organizer.)
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To: george76

bump


12 posted on 10/18/2008 7:54:49 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: george76
Later in the article:

He [Plouffe] insisted that under Obama's plan, income taxes would be lower, as well as capital gains taxes on start up businesses and small entrepreneurs (though the capital gains tax would otherwise increase).

Start-ups? Small businesses usually don't have capital gains until they sell the business. Usually it takes a small business quite a while to grow to a point that it is worth selling and thus generating capital gains. By that time, I doubt the business would still be categorized as a "start-up". What a joke.

13 posted on 10/18/2008 8:05:33 PM PDT by keepitreal ("I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message. . . until I don't.")
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To: george76
It's amazing how he has managed to pitch a wealth redistribution scheme as a “tax cut” and get away with it. McCain is only just now calling a spade a spade, i.e. Obama’s tax cut socialism, but it may be too little too late. He should have done this in the debates when the nation was watching. This group called “StickObama” has a bumper sticker that says “Obama: Bringing Europe to America (and saving you the trip)” which I think sums it up quite well. I just can't believe how accepting the public has been of this Europeanization of America and its values. Our Founders broke away from Europe to get away from tyranny and infringements upon our natural rights, and we are foolhardily welcoming these injustices right back in.
14 posted on 10/18/2008 8:09:13 PM PDT by dingot
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To: I_Like_Spam

It’s amazing how he has managed to pitch a wealth redistribution scheme as a “tax cut” and get away with it. McCain is only just now calling a spade a spade, i.e. Obama’s tax cut socialism, but it may be too little too late. He should have done this in the debates when the nation was watching. This group called “StickObama” has a bumper sticker that says “Obama: Bringing Europe to America (and saving you the trip)” which I think sums it up quite well. Our Founders broke away from Europe to get away from tyranny and infringements upon our natural rights, and we are foolhardily welcoming these injustices right back in.


15 posted on 10/18/2008 8:09:15 PM PDT by dingot
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To: dingot

Its not too late for McCain for this.

If it was just McCain, he’d have a problem. He would be seen as just a politician making a last minute desperate charge. But Joe the Plumber’s observations about the Obama plan gives McCain both cover and credibility to make hay over it.


16 posted on 10/18/2008 8:20:22 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: All

Just curious. How many of you have calculated your savings under the two plans? I found it interesting that when we did so we fond that under MCCains plan we would pay about $900 less in taxes under his plan than Obama’s. We are in the under $250,000 group, in fact a lot lower since I am a stay at home mom. Have others found the same thing?


17 posted on 10/18/2008 8:49:30 PM PDT by Flamenco Lady (Proud to be a pitbull that wears lipstick too!)
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To: george76
Hussein himself has slipped and called it "Income Tax rebates" a couple of times.

When pressed, he redefined the "rebates" as FICA and "other" taxes that are being "refunded", without explaining that the only source of making up the robbery is through income taxes paid by --- you guessed it ---- the real middle class, those making $80k or less...

18 posted on 10/18/2008 9:00:36 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: george76

Not if you raise corporate taxes you’re not! You’ll then be raising taxes (indirectly) on everyone!


19 posted on 10/18/2008 9:01:32 PM PDT by dmanLA
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To: dmanLA
Not if you raise corporate taxes you’re not! You’ll then be raising taxes (indirectly) on everyone!

Shhhhhh!

The average voter is truly too stupid to figure out a very simple fact; a third grader can grasp it:

Corporations don't pay a cent in taxes. They simply collect it from their customers as invisible part of their product or service.

So it doesn't really exist.
Right?

20 posted on 10/18/2008 9:07:11 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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21 posted on 10/18/2008 11:07:57 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: george76


Penetrating Insights into the Obvious
22 posted on 10/19/2008 1:02:03 AM PDT by MichaelAsher54
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To: george76

“How can Obama cut taxes for 95% of Americans when 40% pay no income tax?”

By printing money, driving up inflation and having his pet mediots lie about what is really happening.


23 posted on 10/19/2008 2:15:04 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Joe the plumber should provide his license right after Obama provides his real birth certificate)
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To: Grampa Dave; george76
The Obama mouthpieces explain the tax cut for 95% of taxpayers saying that they will make cuts in payroll taxes. SS and Mendicantcare.......but we all know that’ll never happen.

Expect increases and age eligibility to rise.
24 posted on 10/19/2008 2:37:40 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: BIGLOOK

And even if he did that’d be a major rewriting of our social contract. One way or another he should really be called on it, because he’s caught either way.


25 posted on 10/19/2008 2:40:58 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: BIGLOOK

The rats have been pushing for free Social Security or the elimination of so called payroll taxes for those who don’t pay any income tax for at least a decade.

So you and my younger relatives will be paying for their voters’s social security as well as their tax rebates even when they don’t pay income taxes.


26 posted on 10/19/2008 3:00:41 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Joe the plumber should provide his license right after Obama provides his real birth certificate)
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To: counterpunch
Why did John McCain never once expose 0bama’s “tax plan” for what it is during any of the debates?

Biggest mistake of the campaign thus far.

27 posted on 10/19/2008 3:03:36 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (MSM Lied, Journalism Died. RIP 2008)
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To: Grampa Dave; BIGLOOK

My guess is that the Democrats will make a move on our retirement funds . One trick is to require all retirement accounts to hold at least 10% U.S. government bonds.

Hey, it’s for safety.

/s

And it would grab a quick $1 Trillion dollars from us taxpayers for BHO’s friends.


28 posted on 10/19/2008 3:10:30 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76; SierraWasp; BOBTHENAILER; Liz; Milhous

“My guess is that the Democrats will make a move on our retirement funds . One trick is to require all retirement accounts to hold at least 10% U.S. government bonds.”

I have no problem with US Treasury Notes/bonds, and a big problem with owning any Freddie or Fannie BS. I got out of those bonds or mutual funds owning them about the time the Whoreacle of Omaha did.

Last week both John and Snowbami came out against forcing us old goats to start really pulling from our IRAs at age 70.5.

My wife wondered why Snowbami would do that. I think that you have just pointed why.

Of course when he is sworn in, he will take at least 5% a year at least, from our IRA’s and 401k’s and “donate” that money to Je$$ie HyJack$on, Acorn, Nation of Islam, and the unreverend $harpton for more reparation payments. So the longer we have money supposedly in those accounts we can support the reparations and bailout.


29 posted on 10/19/2008 3:24:12 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Joe the plumber should provide his license right after Obama provides his real birth certificate)
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To: Grampa Dave
Judass Priest!!! (I'm sufferin from uncontrolled wretching!!!)

Perish the thought!!! (barfing the dry heaves)

30 posted on 10/19/2008 4:48:36 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Obama... Just another lying Commonist Communutty Organizing thug from the south side of Chicago!!!)
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To: george76

At long last McCain finally called him on this.

Only Obama responded - the 40% do pay taxes, payroll taxes. Then he accused McCain of saying that hardworking Americans would be getting welfare.

How would you counter?


31 posted on 10/19/2008 5:51:47 PM PDT by dervish (Acorn,Ayers, Rezko,Wright,Farakhan,Khalidi. America wake up!)
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To: dervish

The top 1% pay 40% of all income taxes.
The top 5% pay 60% of all income taxes.
The top 10% pay 71% of all income taxes.
The top 25% pay 86% of all income taxes.
The top 50% pay 97% of all income taxes.
The bottom 50% only pay 3% of income taxes.

Plus the Payroll taxes are matched by the employer, yet the employer does not get the medicare or social security money later; the employees do.


32 posted on 10/19/2008 6:50:46 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: SierraWasp; ASA Vet; george76; tubebender; PhilDragoo; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Anyone with a brain, a sense of morality and a real concern about America, who doesn’t vote for McCain/Palin is putting our country and our families at severe risk.

If Obama wins:

1. Our children and grandchildren will have no future except what is given to them by the Obama Thugs.

2.We senior citizens will see our retirement funds/pensions eroded each year for reparaions to Obama’s anti America voters/supporters.

3. Those of us, who resist what is coming after Obama is sworn in will face very dire consequences.


33 posted on 10/20/2008 5:48:37 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Joe the plumber should provide his license right after Obama provides his real birth certificate)
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To: Grampa Dave

It really really bothers me that some many people have fallen for this wannabe Marxist Know Nothin...


34 posted on 10/20/2008 6:58:46 AM PDT by tubebender (Why do we drive a on a Parkway but park on a Driveway)
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To: Grampa Dave

35 posted on 10/20/2008 8:29:04 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

36 posted on 10/20/2008 8:44:10 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Joe the plumber should provide his license right after Obama provides his real birth certificate)
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To: Grampa Dave

Let’s take up a collection for Grampa Dave’s gun rack for his Honda truck for displaying toilet plungers and maybe even some sewer snakes!!!


37 posted on 10/20/2008 11:37:43 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Hey Colin Powell...Fidel Castro and Che Gueverra were "transformational figures" too, you idiot!!!)
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