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Catholic Dinner Shouldn't Have Included Obama Because He's Pro-Abortion
LifeNews ^ | 19 OCT 2008 | Deal Hudson

Posted on 10/20/2008 7:10:15 AM PDT by OriginalChristian

Recently, the Archdiocese of New York held its famous Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner, with both Senators John McCain and Barack Obama as guests. I watched the coverage today -- the story is all over the news, along with images of Obama and Edward Cardinal Egan sharing a laugh.

Something about that bothered me.

No, it's not what you think. I'm not upset that a Democrat and the cardinal were enjoying a conversation. This is not a partisan issue, and I would have had the same negative reaction if it were Rudy Giuliani or Susan Collins instead of Obama.

The truth is, the first thought that came to my mind was a simple one: What are we doing here? If abortion really is what we say it is -- the gruesome murder of unborn children -- do our actions reflect that belief? And if those who support abortion are guilty of facilitating such a horror, how should we respond to them?

If this were 1855, would we be inviting pro-slavery politicians to take a break from a hard fought race, and share a laugh and a meal? As one who finds courage and inspiration in the example of the Radical Republican abolitionists, I just can't imagine it.

But isn't that what we're doing today? I know that wasn't Cardinal Egan's intention -- of course not. (I also recognize that I'm raising these concerns after the fact.) However, in today's media driven society, images matter. The sight of Obama and the cardinal palling around sends the message -- whether intentional or not -- that the pro-choice senator is fine in Egan's eyes.

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KEYWORDS: antichrist; egan; obama; prolife
I don't know what Cardinal Egan was thinking here. This would have been the perfect time to showcase McCain's views on life and at the same time admonish the Obamination for his extreme pro-death views...
1 posted on 10/20/2008 7:10:15 AM PDT by OriginalChristian
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To: OriginalChristian

That title is absolutely rich.

Who would want to eat Obama, anyway?


2 posted on 10/20/2008 7:11:30 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: OriginalChristian

Catholics shouldn’t allow those supporting abortion (obama supporters) at any of their functions including mass. These people are evil and they don’t need to be there.


3 posted on 10/20/2008 7:15:43 AM PDT by boycott
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To: OriginalChristian

The precedent was set years ago. Geraldine Ferraro was at the dinner when Cardinal O’Connor was the Archbishop of NY. (I remember of photo of her shooting daggers at Cdl. O’Connor, who made no secret of what he thought of her act, though not at the dinner.)

Since politicking is not supposed to occur at the dinner, it is not the same as outright promoting a candidate who is pro-abort or even providing a platform.

Truth is, the dinner would be pretty sparsely attended with no pro-aborts. Maybe it is time to end the dinner, lest the church be tempted to play towards Caesar.


4 posted on 10/20/2008 7:19:34 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("[Gov. Sarah Palin] is Phyllis Schlafly, only younger." -- Gloria Steinem)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Maybe it is time to end the dinner, lest the church be tempted to play towards Caesar.

I think you're right. If you can't have the event without cosying up to supporters of infanticide, then just don't have it.

5 posted on 10/20/2008 7:21:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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To: OriginalChristian
I don't have a problem with this. It is one thing to talk about supporters of abortion being allowed Holy Communion. It is another thing altogether to exclude leftist from such things as formal dinners.

Given how outspoken Cardinal O’Conner and (to a lesser extent?) Cardinal Egan are on the issue of abortion I doubt very much that the Obama campaign would try to play this up as any form of endorsement or approval. Jesus did after all hang around with thugs and hookers.

6 posted on 10/20/2008 7:26:45 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Please pray daily for OUR Sarah.)
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To: OriginalChristian
Agreed. I noticed his "born in a manger" line didn't get any laughs.

...But he does fly Crescent Airlines.

7 posted on 10/20/2008 7:27:31 AM PDT by They'reGone2000 (Lose the Zero. Get with the Hero. McCain.)
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To: They'reGone2000

If he truly was a Christian, he would know you don’t make jokes about that. Especially in front of a Cardinal.


8 posted on 10/20/2008 7:30:36 AM PDT by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: OriginalChristian

John McCain made it obvious remarks who supported life and who didn’t.


9 posted on 10/20/2008 7:42:38 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Hey Congress! - Thanks for the crap sandwich)
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To: Artemis Webb
It is another thing altogether to exclude leftist from such things as formal dinners.

I disagree, in this case. This wasn't just a random, formal dinner where Cardinal Egan and Senator Obama both just happened to show up. This was an official Archdiocesan event to which Punished-with-a-Baby was invited and at which he was treated as an honored guest, seated by the Archbishop.

The unmistakable impression conveyed by this event is that, "We're all just good buds," and Obama's beliefs and actions regarding crucial moral issues don't matter in the slightest. I think Cardinal Egan should apologize to the faithful Catholics of the Archdiocese, and announce that no further dinners will be held unless the candidates of both parties renounce abortion and other assaults on human life.

10 posted on 10/20/2008 7:46:22 AM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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To: Tax-chick

I agree with you:

“I think Cardinal Egan should apologize to the faithful Catholics of the Archdiocese, and announce that no further dinners will be held unless the candidates of both parties renounce abortion and other assaults on human life.”


11 posted on 10/20/2008 8:03:45 AM PDT by victim soul
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To: OriginalChristian

It’s a tough argument. The Al Smith dinner has traditionally invited all the important politicians of both parties.

Then, along came abortion. Virtually ALL of the politicians in New York State and New York City are pro-abortion. There are very few exceptions. And all of the Democrats on the national level have been pro-abortion since the passage of Roe v. Wade.

So, this is not a first.

I share the concern about sitting down next to a mass murderer and being polite all through dinner. Watching the videos of McCain’s speech, it was evident that Cardinal Egan was carefully remaining expressionless throughout the whole damned dinner, so as to avoid favoring one candidate over the other or taking political sides.

I don’t know what the answer is. Having dinner with the enemies of Christ is different from offering them Communion. But it remains an awkward business. Still, maybe it was best. I think McCain came out way ahead, and may have increased his lead among those who watched his speech. Obama gained nothing that I could see.


12 posted on 10/20/2008 8:10:13 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Watching the videos of McCain’s speech, it was evident that Cardinal Egan was carefully remaining expressionless ...

Without prejudice to the Cardinal's assumed good intentions, if he feels he has to appear neutral about abortion, then there is something very wrong with the situation in which he's put himself. A Bishop is to teach, exhort, and preach the Word "in season and out of season," not look blank because appearing Catholic would be tacky.

13 posted on 10/20/2008 8:18:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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To: Tax-chick

Flipping TV channels, I came across a preacher that said: “I’m not going to tell you who to vote for, but I will tell you this: don’t you ever vote for a politician that supports abortion. Ever.”

Our pastor said next Sunday, for the first time ever, he is going to talk about politics in church. My gut feeling is the bottom line will be like the one above.

Churches need to make a blunt statement. It is never, under any circumstances, acceptable to vote for pro-abortion (pro-choice, or whatever else you want to call it) political candidate.

Part of the reason we are losing the abortion issue at the ballot box is too many pro-lifers see it as one issue amoung many. It’s not. It is the one issue that overrides all others.

I’ve notice the Dems have recently been making a push that they are really more ‘pro-life’ because, while they wouldn’t outlaw abortion, their policies would reduce abortion. A Kennedy girl was on O’Reily trying to spin that line, and even O’Reily wasn’t buying it.

The Catholic church (as well as protestant and baptist churches) need to be blunt.

It is never, under any circumstances, OK to vote for a pro-abortion candidate.


14 posted on 10/20/2008 8:18:52 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: Brookhaven
they are really more ‘pro-life’ because, while they wouldn’t outlaw abortion, their policies would reduce abortion

This position is both morally and logically absurd AND practically fallacious. Typical of Kennedys, in other words.

It is never, under any circumstances, OK to vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

That can be a tough call. In some races, all the candidates are pro-abortion. Wouldn't one then choose the less-bloodthirsty one?

15 posted on 10/20/2008 8:29:32 AM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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To: OriginalChristian
Letter to America's Bishops
16 posted on 10/20/2008 8:32:59 AM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: Tax-chick

The “less blood thirsty”?

In that circumstance I think it is better to not vote.

Those situations arise because the “pro-life” party feels they can get both pro-life votes (which they need to win) and “moderate” voters (ie, pro-choice) by nominating the “less blood thirsty” candidate. This is a forumla for pro-life issues to be taken for granted and minimized.

After a while of losing, the pro-life party will realize they can’t win by nomnating “less blood thristy” candidates and counting of pro-lifers to vote for the lesser of two evils, so they will start nominating actual pro-lifers.


17 posted on 10/20/2008 8:43:59 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: Tax-chick

I should add also that part of the reason the Whig party died is they refused to take a firm anti-slavery stand.

Enough people who refused to vote for a pro-slavery Whig candidate (or even a moderate slavery Whig candidate, your “less blood thirsty” option) that it eventually killed the Whig party and gave rise to the Republican party.


18 posted on 10/20/2008 8:50:09 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: Cicero
And all of the Democrats on the national level have been pro-abortion since the passage imposition of Roe v. Wade by a liberal supreme court.

There, that's more accurate.

19 posted on 10/20/2008 8:50:31 AM PDT by rllngrk33 (The RATs and Media are the enemy.)
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To: OriginalChristian
For a Catholic Cardinal to be seen giggling and joking with a pro-abortion maniac who has promoted and defended infanticide as recently as a week ago looked unsavory and questionable. He has a point. It looked wrong. In the same vein, why was Katie Couric honored with VIP seating among dignitaries?


Interesting handshake.

20 posted on 10/20/2008 8:58:22 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Tax-chick; Artemis Webb; Cicero

I agree.

Time for Catholics to be Catholics——it shouldn’t be that hard.

It apparently isn’t hard for Bishop Chaput, God bless him.

I can’t remember if it was C.S. Lewis or G.K Chesterson (someone can correct mne as to whom) who said: “What we need now are men with chests”. (interesting that the quote uses the heart for courage and not other discernable body parts)

Yes. what we need now are men with hearts of courage.

Jesus dined with sinners, but as far as my Biblical knowledge goes, not with Pharisees. (someone can correct me here, too, if necessary).


21 posted on 10/20/2008 9:16:34 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: snowrip

I didn’t write the headline, only copied it here.


22 posted on 10/20/2008 10:11:19 AM PDT by OriginalChristian (If you can't get Life right, nothing else you think or say matters....)
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To: Brookhaven
In that circumstance I think it is better to not vote.

I agree. I wasn't going to vote for President if a pro-abortion candidate were the Republican nominee.

After a while of losing, the pro-life party will realize they can’t win by nomnating “less blood thristy” candidates and counting of pro-lifers to vote for the lesser of two evils, so they will start nominating actual pro-lifers.

Excellent point.

23 posted on 10/20/2008 10:42:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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To: Brookhaven; Tax-chick

I agree with both of you.


24 posted on 10/20/2008 11:03:39 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty

I vote for C.S. Lewis on the source of the quote. (Chesterton, given his build, might have said “men with stomach” to convey the same meaning :-). And I sigh for the days when our metaphoric vocabulary still showed some good taste.

Jesus dined with sinners, but in the context of calling them to repentance. He did also dine with Pharisees - it was at dinner with a Pharisee that the “sinful woman” washed his feet with her tears - and he called the Pharisees to repentance.

In this atmosphere, Cdl. Egan might have addressed all pro-abortion attendees at the dinner, gently but clearly describing Christian teaching on human life and reminding them to consider “Him who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna.” That would be true charity.


25 posted on 10/20/2008 11:06:15 AM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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To: Tax-chick

You are so right!


26 posted on 10/20/2008 11:31:20 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty

If you agree, I must be right!

p.s., C.S. Lewis: “We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful.”


27 posted on 10/20/2008 11:38:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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To: Tax-chick

Oh, I agree. It was painful to watch him sitting there expressionlessly, while McCain cracked one zinger after another.

I knew Cardinal Reagan a little when we lived in Connecticut and he was bishop of Bridgeport. He was very impressive in person. He wrote weekly theological pieces for the diocesan paper, which were entirely orthodox. But he also managed to get on with the politicians in Connecticut, who were turning very liberal and pro-abort.

He joined the March for Life in Washington and gave a talk in the Cathedral to participants there. Yet he reminds me in a way of Cardinal Law, whom I also knew even better back when I was living in Massachusetts. He was a good friend of my Aunt’s. Law was also solid, impressive, orthodox. Yet both these men seem to be unwilling to confront evil when it is powerful and influential. They sit back and let it work, rather than make waves.

Neither of these Cardinals was like Rembert Weakland, deliberately dissident, deliberately making trouble for the Church. Yet they refrained from speaking out when bad things happened. We saw what that led to in the case of Cardinal Law.

I guess even McCain was too polite to point out at the dinner that Obama never saw a baby he didn’t want to kill. That would have wrecked people’s enjoyment of their meal.


28 posted on 10/20/2008 11:55:17 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Yet both these men seem to be unwilling to confront evil when it is powerful and influential. They sit back and let it work, rather than make waves.

That's sad. Especially for a Cardinal to be sitting stone-faced while a non-Catholic says what the Cardinal should be saying ... well, it makes me like John McCain better, even if he didn't manage to slip in, "Infanticide Osama ... oops, I mean ..."

29 posted on 10/20/2008 12:00:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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To: Tax-chick

I’m late getting back-—

Thanks so much for that great quote!


30 posted on 10/20/2008 7:40:34 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty

You’re welcome! I went to bed early :-).


31 posted on 10/21/2008 3:46:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick (After 5:00 p.m., slip brains through slot in door.)
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