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Michael Medved: The Consequences of Defeat (Read this!)
Townhall ^ | October 22, 2008 | Michael Medved

Posted on 10/21/2008 10:42:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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Still think Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin or Mickey Mouse is the way to go?!
1 posted on 10/21/2008 10:42:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Obama’s Past Will Haunt American Security?
 
Imagine, Bin Laden & Achmedinajad if ever questioned by President Obama about their terrorist activities, or developing nuclear weapons program?
Their response which is a reasonable response is going to be, "who are you to tell us anything!" 
Don't you remember Mr. President, you sat with Rev. Wright who did noting but put America down for 20 years. Oh,
and you lived and worked with a terrorist Bill Ayers who pretty much did same thing in 60's what we did in 2001.
Farrakhan, Rezko, Auchi, Alsammarae, the list goes on. So President Obama, spare us your higher than thou show!
In this world it is only the American people who can be fooled over and over and you did a great job with them.

We will see who the next president is going to be in 4 years. Until then, hey Muslim brother, welcome to the real world.
This is a real scenario and though it would be  nice to have an African American become the President of the United States, let us just choose the right American.

2 posted on 10/21/2008 10:44:56 PM PDT by indianyogi
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A GOP defeat would not be rectified for decades. Once Socialist laws are enacted it's waaaay harder to get them nullified. Do not stay home. Crawl over broken glass to vote McCain/Palin.
3 posted on 10/21/2008 10:47:25 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m thinking more along the lines of Baghdad Bob—my fear is if Ubama were to win, he’d be palling around with all those petty dictators (Iran, Venezuela, etc.), making politically correct nice-nice with them, right up to the moment they defeat our nearly non-existent military he is sure to decimate—and America will be no more! :*(


4 posted on 10/21/2008 10:48:10 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative voting for the McCain/Palin ticket now!!)
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Preach it, 2ndDV!


5 posted on 10/21/2008 10:48:28 PM PDT by Salamander (Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?)
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With less than two weeks left before a fateful Presidential election, committed conservatives should abandon the toxic myths suggesting that defeat could somehow help our movement. The refusal to recognize the obvious rebuttals to such twisted logic, and to acknowledge the huge stakes in this campaign, counts as nothing less than suicidal.

Amen.

6 posted on 10/21/2008 10:51:13 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord-(Jer.22:29))
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To: pillut48

That is exactly what Obama will do. Those guys will eat him alive. Obama is a naive fool.


7 posted on 10/21/2008 10:52:06 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: All

I disagree with some of Medved’s points - I think Palin could emerge as a future leader even if McCain loses - but overall I agree with him. I can’t see why anyone would gamble that Obama would be a one termer, or that his policies could be reversed easily by a successor. And in foreign policy, there’s the potential for real disaster (Biden actually hit on the truth when he said Obama would be tested).

McCain’s not perfect, but he’s infinitely better than the alternative.


8 posted on 10/21/2008 10:52:14 PM PDT by nyc1
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To: nyc1

No one is perfect.
Every election is about getting the best person in to protect the integrity of our Constitution and who can honorably serve as Commander in Chief of our military forces.
In this election that person is John Mc Cain.


9 posted on 10/21/2008 10:57:08 PM PDT by antceecee (McCain ~ Palin '08 May God have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And this doesn’t even cover the very real possibility of an Obama presidency subverting government agencies to silence dissenting opinion.

For instance, I am only interested in the Birth Certificate question before the election because if he gets in I am absolutely certainly that, whatever the truth of it, it will be made to disappear from view.


10 posted on 10/21/2008 10:57:12 PM PDT by Nipfan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Forget for a moment whether you disagree or agree with this article. Just read it and compare the intellectual level of argument with the following by Kathleen Parker.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2111919/posts

I would be completely embarrassed if I had to count on someone like Ms. Parker to support my views.

11 posted on 10/21/2008 11:01:13 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: originalbuckeye
Agreed. Liberals at the local and state levels will be emboldened, as will the bureaucrats in the Federal government.

An Obama victory will bring more progressive city councils and school boards. They will silently, or even loudly, proclaim society has “progressed.” Conservatives, traditionalists and even moderates will be ignored or silenced, especially in matters of education and community affairs.

Liberals always bring more bureaucracy and more programs. Eliminating a government program is nearly impossible.

Society and culture will suffer as well. The Liberal media and entertainment industries will flood our screens with progressive messages; even more than now.
The gay agenda will be revitalized; climate change will return as a major issue. References to faith and morality will be nonexistent in the media and entertainment.

So, now we know why Obama is the Left’s “Messiah.” They've been working towards this point in time for decades. If Obama is president and the Democrats control Congress, he will enable social and cultural “change” by making more people ignorant of reality and dependent on the government in their everyday lives.

12 posted on 10/21/2008 11:08:33 PM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Mainstream Media, the Left is Nothing.)
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I believe McPalin will win handily. Here are the under-reported reasons I have collected visiting FR way too much.

1) “Polls” that show Obama ahead tell a different story when internals are studied. Please see http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/an-eeyore-free-zone for a primer on how polls are cooked. UPDATE: Rasmussen saying McCain ahead in Florida and Ohio.

And now, a brief history lesson of ACTUAL ELECTION RESULTS:

1980: Reagan 50.75%, Carter 41%, (+9.75 Reagan) Reagan won 45 states.
1984: Regan 58.77%, Mondale 40.56% (+18.21 Regan) Reagan won 49 states.
1988: Bush 53.37%, Dukakis 45.65% (+7.72 Bush) Bush won 42 states.
1992: Clinton 43.01%, Bush 37.45%, Perot 18.91% (+5.66% Clinton) Clinton won 30 states.
1996: Clinton 49.23%, Dole 40.72%, Perot 8.40% (+8.49% Clinton) Clinton won 31 states.
2000: Bush 47.87%, Gore 48.38% (Gore +0.49%) Bush won 30 states.
2004: Bush 50.73%, Kerry 48.27% (Bush +2.46%) Bush won 31 states.

NO WAY is Obama up 14 points!

2) Hillary and Bill are not acting like they want Obama to win, since she wants to run again in 2012, despite what she alludes to.

3) “Hussein” being Obama’s middle name is still news to most people.

4) A picture of Obama dressed as a Muslim (there are at least three) is still worth 1000 words (3000 in this case). Man your email station! Post bills!

5) The PUMAs who know the hows and whys of Hillary getting cheated, will vote Palin, and will pull others. Check out http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=33711&page=3 and http://democrats-against-obama.org

6) “[Bitter Clingers] to [Religion and Guns]”, will vote McCain, so much so that 22K of the 45K in Grand Junction, Colorado came out to see her http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110920/posts.

7) The Palins ARE America and the conservative base. America and the conservative base will vote accordingly. According to http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2106836/posts parts of the country that were not fired up about the election, are working for Palin. She draws THOUSANDS at every campaign stop.

8) The NRA has “8 figures” of ads to unload in “swing” states

9) At one point, Obama was only 5 points up in New York! New York!

10) The Democrats were talking about Democratic consultants freaking out over Obama mis-managing his campaign before they settled into poll alteration.

11) The Enemedia is already spreading the meme that if Obama loses, it “is racism”. They see the tea leaves ...

12) The Media was calling the election for Kerry ELECTION MORNING in 2004, and Carter and Reagan polled evenly on election day! SOMEONE is trying to buffalo us with these polls! For more on the history of polls leaning Democrat, please see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2106669/posts Both Zogby and Mike McCurry predicted a Kerry win.

13) McCain has only started to play the Ayers card. McCain has not yet played the Tony Rezko, Odinga, ... more at http://www.barackbook.com

14) Plenty of long-time Democratic voters are unimpressed with Obama, and will not vote for him. Two midwestern transplants have volunteered to me that they know lifelong Democrats who WILL NOT vote for Obama. The 1st hand accounts here on Free Republic about lack of enthusiasm for Obama relative to Kerry similarly bodes poorly for Obama.

15) Obama has only 60% of the Jewish vote last I checked, compared to the 75% Kerry got (comfortable R win), and the 90% Gore got (close R win). Please see http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/obama_and_the_jewish_vote.php and http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08293/921167-470.stm

16) The Christian base that re-elected Bush in 2004, knows Sarah is more than a Sunday Christian, and is praying for her.

17) McCain opened 50 offices in California. It’s in play! It should be the bluest of the blue, and it is not.

18) Google “Bradley Effect”. Obama is getting poll votes he’ll never get on election day. PUMAs have also agreed to lie to pollsters about supporting Obama, and are encouraging others to do so.

19) Operation Chaos resulted in an overlarge quantity of Democrat registrations that will never ever vote Democratic.

20) Obama’s “spread the wealth” line to Joe the Plumber will cost him undecideds not ready to etch the current class structure in stone.

21) The Enemedia overstating Obama’s popularity will cut two ways. The lazy, and the youth, (core Democrat constituencies) will not brave traffic and lines to vote on election day, since they were lied to by the KGBMedia to believe that Obama has a gigantic lead.

22) There is a group playing Jeremiah Wrights ads. Read more about it http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2108462/posts, and to donate visit https://www.completecampaigns.com/FR/contribute.asp?campaignid=OCDBPac.

23) The Obama crew already knows they’re going to lose. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110803/posts and http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2103037/posts

24) Kerry won the Nickelodeon kids vote 57/43, and Obama won it 51/49! If you don’t think kids vote like their parents, then you got another thing coming! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2110843/posts

25) Polls are meant by the Enemedia, to SHAPE public opinion, not to accurately report it.

Fellow Freepers, please feel free to post this list every time you see a Freeper or anyone feeling down, anywhere. No need to credit me or ping or write me.

If you do start spreading this list, it might not be bad for you to check back for updates since Freepers are always kindly giving feedback to this list.

Let me know if you have any other under-reported reasons for the coming McCain/Palin win.

Mantra: Taxes kill businesses kill jobs kill people

Please tell me if you think there are mistakes.


13 posted on 10/21/2008 11:10:24 PM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution [is] for a [Christian] people. It is wholly inadequate [for] any other. -John Adams)
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If Obama becomes President, he will turn America into an athwistic, Communist, Islamic Republic where Sharia law is enforced on everyone and a new era of racial segregation is imposed on the populace, but this time the Blacks will be over the rest of us. That cannot be tolerated.


14 posted on 10/21/2008 11:12:11 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Anyone listening to Mark Levin tonight should read this article also and put two and two together.

After eight years of an Obama presidency talk radio will be obliterated, equal time for contrasting points of view will be mandated on the internet -- which will most likely come under control of the television networks, and their broadcast rights will be divied out to the highest most politically correct bidder.

Under those circumstances, where conservatives cannot congregate nor disseminate, what makes anyone think freedom will survive under an Obama presidency? It won't.

Radical socialists are playing the Democrats like fiddles. The Dems don't get it.

Radical socialists hate you -- that means YOU!

They don't give a damn about what you call your rights. They call it ignorance. You are the enemy and they want you obliterated.

15 posted on 10/21/2008 11:36:23 PM PDT by GVnana ("I once dressed as Tina Fey for Halloween." - Sarah Palin)
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The bottom line: A Democrat win will seal the fate of not only the Republican party, but more importantly the American experiment in capitalism and democracy. A permanent communist Chavez/Castro type dictatorship will then be all but inevitable, as the Democrats rush to lock down the already submissive media, consolidate their stranglehold of the educational system, and work toward a massive state takeover of the economy. This will all be set in stone, as ever-increasing millions of illegal aliens are given full voting rights.


16 posted on 10/21/2008 11:36:40 PM PDT by omniscient
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Look, I don’t advocate an Obama win, but let’s not go hysterical here.

Yes there are some things we still have to deal with today, that Jimmy Carter F’d up during his term in office.

The Cold War isn’t one of them.

Good things can actually come from a defeat. If we lose this time, we have nobody to blame but ourselves. We frittered away so many chances to do good things between 2000 and 2006, it turns my stomach.

And now heeeeere’s Johnny. If McCain wins or loses, we have some grave self examination that is extremely overdue.

I hope that takes place. If it doesn’t, Obama will be the least of this nation’s problems.

If we can’t select better people to represent Conservative views, this nation is doomed Obama or not.

Palin is the best thing to happen to the party in two decades. Two fricken decades ladies and gentlemen.

Who do we have to blame for that? I’d suggest we figure it out but quick!


17 posted on 10/21/2008 11:37:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Is Obamanation what our founding fathers, our fallen men in combat, and Ronald Reagan had in mind?)
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To: GVnana
"Radical socialists hate you -- that means YOU!
They don't give a damn about what you call your rights. They call it ignorance. You are the enemy and they want you obliterated."

Just go to DU, Kos, Huffington, etc., some time and read the threads. It's as plain as the nose on your face.

18 posted on 10/21/2008 11:40:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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TRUTH: The most significant and sweeping changes of an Obama presidency would be permanent and irreversible.

Worth repeating.

19 posted on 10/21/2008 11:42:29 PM PDT by XR7
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Whoever is elected in 2008, will almost certainly win re-election in 2012

I'll quibble a bit over this. In 2010 there will be a census. In 2012 the electoral college map will change as a result. It will give more congressional seats and electoral votes to the South and Plains and take them from the Northeast and upper midwest. This will probably favor the GOP as states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan will become less important to get elected.

20 posted on 10/21/2008 11:59:32 PM PDT by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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