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Good Riddance, GOP Moderates (RINOs Flee The GOP Big Tent Alert)
Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | 10/24/2008 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 10/24/2008 3:31:47 PM PDT by goldstategop

RUSH: I wish to reach around and pat myself on the back. Way back during the Republican primaries -- when the battle was between Huckabee and Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, and McCain -- we were told by the Republican Party hierarchy that the only chance the Republican Party had (by the way, we were told this also by some of the intellectualoids in our own conservative media) to win was to attract Democrats and moderates; and that the era of Reagan was over, and we had to somehow find a way to become stewards of a big government but smarter that gives money away to the Wal-Mart middle class so that they, too, will feel comfortable with us and like us and vote for us.

In that sense it was said the only opportunity this party has to regain power is John McCain. Only John McCain can get moderates and independents and Democrats to join the Republican Party, "and we can't win," these intellectualoids said, "if that didn't happen." Well, the latest moderate Republican to abandon his party is William Weld, the former governor of Massachusetts who today endorsed the Most Merciful Lord Barack Obama. He joins moderate Republican Colin Powell. He joins former Bush press spokesman Scott McClellan. He joins a number of Republicans like Chuck Hagel, Senator from Nebraska. I don't know if there's been an initial endorsement from Hagel but Obama is out there talking about how Hagel might be secretary of state or have some position in his cabinet.

Now, I wish to ask all of you influential pseudointellectual conservative media types who have also abandoned McCain and want to go vote for Obama (and you know who you are without my having to mention your name) what happened to your precious theory? What the hell happened to your theory that only John McCain could enlarge this party, that we had to get moderates and independents? How the hell is it that moderate Republicans are fleeing their own party and we are not attracting other moderates and independents? How in the hell did you people figure this to happen? So the Republican Party's own strategy here not only has it backfired, it's embarrassing. I don't have any brief for William Weld, don't misunderstand, but he's a moderate Republican.

"The Republican Party, we gotta be a big tent," and that's code words for, "We gotta have some pro-choicers in our party to get rid of the influence of these hayseed hicks in the South who are pro-life." Well, they have gone, and I, for one, say, "Damn well good riddance!" Weld, why don't you stay a Democrat? McClellan, stay a Democrat. All you intellectual conservative media types, go ahead and stay a Democrat once you move over. By the way, we know what this is about. This is about being invited to state dinners in a Barack Obama administration. This is about the social structure of Washington. This is about style. It has nothing to do with the fact that these people love Obama's policies. They couldn't if they're paying attention. Not if they say they're Republicans. They couldn't possibly.

But they figure Obama's running the show, and they don't want to be shut out the next four years when it comes time to party. Charles Krauthammer writes about this very eloquently today and very elegantly in his column endorsing McCain. I have it in the stack. I'll share it with you. There are probably other names I am leaving out here of Republican moderates who have fled and joined the Democrats and Obama, for whatever reasons. I say, good riddance. And this is why I said to you earlier in the week, "I don't care who wins this election. The task at hand is going to be rebuilding the conservative movement and making sure that the Republican Party is its home," because the Republican Party high arc, bigwigs, people running McCain's campaign? They have proven they haven't a clue how to win an election. They have proven that they have not a clue that they understand the American electorate. They have proven they have not a clue what it is that inspires people to support their party and go to the poll and support them. When I saw the Weld thing today I smiled and I fired off a note to all my buddies and I said, "Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! How can this be? How can this be? This is the kind of guy that our candidate was supposed to be attracting, and we were supposed to be getting all these moderates from the Democrat Party," and we will, by the way. We're going to get some rank and file, average American Democrats that are going to vote for McCain. But these hoity-toity bourgeoisie... Well, they're not the bourgeoisie, but... Well, they are in a sense. They're following their own self-interests, so I say fine.

They have just admitted that Republican Party "big tent" philosophy didn't work. It was their philosophy; it was their idea. These are the people, once they steered the party to where it is, they are the ones that abandoned it. We have noticed. Sarah Palin, by the way. Fred Barnes has a column at the next issue of the Weekly Standard about her future. Let me just give you one little pull quote from this. He asks her what her role in the Republican Party's future is going to be. She says, "I don't know what kind of role the Republican Party would want me to play." Well, make her the head of the party, for one thing! That might be a good idea. "In the past I've not been one to be considered for anything by the hierarchy of the party, certainly not in my state. In some sense, I ran against them in my party," and she's doing it again now!

She's running against her own party. Then she said this: "I would love to promote the party ideals if we're going to live out the ideals, and maybe allow other American voters to understand what the principles of the party are. We've gotta be assured we have enough people in the party who will live out those ideals as not just rhetoric, otherwise I'd be wasting my time. There are a lot of things I would and should be doing." So what she's saying is: "I'm not going to be a Republican if they're not going to be Republicans. I'm not going to beat my head against the wall. If we're going to have just a bunch of flourishing rhetoric people, if we're not going to have people in the party who actually live it and believe it, I'm not going to be part of it.

This is Sarah Palin to Fred Barnes; and that, ladies and gentlemen, is why the rebuilding of the conservative movement -- even if there is no direct leader in charge of making it happen, it will happen by default because it's going to have to. Even if McCain wins, Colin Powell going to come running back? Is Bill Weld going to come running back? Hell, yes, they will! Hell, yes, they'll come running back. They'll do everything they can to stay in the circle of power. Of course they'll come running back. All these people are out for self-interest. That's what Sarah Palin is saying. She's not in it for self-interest. The party had better be what the party is or I don't have any future in it.

We're going to rebuild it even if McCain wins. We're going to have to. These people, these moderates who wanted the big tent, they have taken the party exactly where they said they wanted it to be -- and when it got there, these little cowards jumped the ship! I have lost all respect for these people. And, folks, when I said at the beginning of this that I wanted to turn around and pat myself on the back, it's because I (and so many like me) knew this exact thing was going to happen and tried to warn people about it during the primaries and so forth. I am not happy it's happened except for one reason. We flushed 'em out. We found out they're not really Republicans and they're by no means conservatives, and now they're gone. Now the trick is to keep 'em out.

RUSH: By the way, another one of these Republicans, these moderate Republicans that's fled the party to endorse Obama is Kenneth Adelman. You may not remember Adelman. He was big in the arms control era under Reagan and Bush 41, and he has abandoned McCain and the Republican Party to head over to Obama, and there's a post at National Review Online in The Corner blog in which somebody who knows Adelman, a professor, sent a note to somebody at National Review and said, "Look, I had a conversation with Adelman, and I couldn't believe what he said to me. He said after he announced his endorsement for Obama, he said to me, 'I really hope Obama is lying about what he intends to do policy-wise,'" proving these endorsements are not about substance, it's about style, it's about intellectuals joining up with intellectuals, it's about the smart people hanging together. "I hope Obama's lying."

Chris Buckley said, (paraphrasing) "He's written great books, he's gotta have a great mind, but if he goes lefty on me, I won't like that." If he goes lefty on you, Chris! BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Is Justin in Lexington, Kentucky. Welcome, sir, to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER: Hello, grand pooh-bah. It's very nice to talk with you again.

RUSH: Thank you, sir.

CALLER: The reason I'm calling is because early in your second hour you were talking about good riddance to Colin Powell and to other RINOs, basically. Scott McClellan and whoever.

RUSH: William Weld, Kenneth Adelman, all the people that urged us to support McCain, told us, "McCain's the future of the party. McCain's the guy that can get moderates. McCain's the guy to get the independents," and the very moderates and independents they said he could get have now fled to Obama.

CALLER: My question is for you, in a hypothetical sense: If you could pick and choose what kind of conservatives and what kind of Republicans made up the Republican Party, would there be room for moderates (phone ringing) moderate conservatives or even liberal Republicans, that sort of thing? (ringing) Would there be room for those?

RUSH: (sigh) Well...

CALLER: (ringing)

RUSH: They can vote for us, but I don't want them in the party.

CALLER: That's exactly how I feel. (ringing) In order for us to rebuild --

RUSH: You know, but the problem is, you gotta define something for me. Would you define for me a "moderate conservative."

CALLER: A moderate conservative has gotta be someone that is a fiscal conservative first and foremost. Second, a moderate conservative is one that sides with the left on other issues, whether it's gun control or abortion rights or whatever.

RUSH: He's not a conservative if he sides with the left. See, conservatism is what it is. It doesn't need to be moderated. It doesn't need to be redefined. It doesn't need to be upgraded. It's based on personal liberty: individual freedom, a small state that functions for the express purpose of defending and protecting the population. The minute you say that conservatism includes people who are pro-choice, you've destroyed conservatism because conservatism stands for "life, liberty, pursuit of happiness." Without life, there is nothing else here, and if we're going to sit around indiscriminately deciding who lives and who dies based on our own convenience, that's not conservative. Individual liberty. The essence of innocence is a child in the womb who has no choice over what happens to it. Sorry. If we don't stand up for that person, if the government doesn't, then nobody will. And if we allow ourselves to get watered down by a bunch of people who are embarrassed over that position, they're not conservatives. Now, I'm not saying, "If you're not this, don't vote for us." We'll be happy for you to vote for us. I'm happy. Go ahead and vote for us. This is what got us into trouble that we're in today. The reason that we're in this mess today is because we had to start making this tent big, watering down what conservatism is. There's a blueprint out there, Justin, for how to win landslides! There's a blueprint for how you do it, and it does not include expanding the tent. Reagan got Reagan Democrats, but he moved them to the Republican Party, moved them to the right. He didn't go get them by pretending to be one of them.

CALLER: That's a very good point.

RUSH: Let me ask you this question, Justin. Imagine you're Harry Reid, you're Nancy Pelosi --

CALLER: (snickers)

RUSH: -- or imagine that you're Obama, and you're hosting this show. Somebody calls you and says, "By the way, would moderate liberals be allowed in our party?" And you say, "Well, what's a moderate liberal?" "Well, yeah, I'm a liberal, but I'm pro-life." "No! We don't even want you speaking at our convention."

CALLER: Well...

RUSH: We either are what we are or not. The dirty little secret is, the vast majority of the people in this country live their lives as conservatives; and given conservative leadership, they respond to it in droves. Landslide droves.

CALLER: One reason that that difference is there is because Democrats and liberals specifically have a lot easier time in public of espousing their views regardless of what other people think.

RUSH: Right, because they don't have to worry about dignity.

CALLER: Right. That's exactly right.

RUSH: They don't have to worry about it. That's what J. R. Ewing said, "Once you get rid of the ethics and dignity, the rest is easy."

CALLER: Mmm-hmm.

RUSH: You know, they've gotten away so long as being the caring party; they're the party that cares about the downtrodden. They have destroyed... They have created the downtrodden. Liberalism has created the downtrodden and the unhappy and the miserable, and then the liberals set themselves up as their champions, say, "Only we can fix them because only we care." They don't care. They loathe them! There is contempt, by the way, for these little people. Real compassion... By the way, we have to do a far better job of PR. I'm not denying this. Real compassion is conservatism. Real compassion cares for the individual. Real conservatism wants every individual to be the best he or she can be, with nobody standing in the way.

Let a person use what their God-given talents are, combined with their ambition and their energy and their desire and their dreams, and get out of their way. We want people to amount to the most they want to be and can be. But for those who have a legitimate problem, they have some sort of problem that prevents them from succeeding; we are all for taking care of those people. But we do not want to take normal, healthy Americans and turn them into wards of the state, turn them into dependents. We do not want to look at them with arrogant condescension. We don't look at them and say, "You're worthless. You're stupid. You're not part of the smart group. You can't get anywhere without us." We don't look at people that way. We look at people with respect, hope. You talk about hope? We hope for this country to be the best damn country it can be and you need the best damn individuals for that to happen. Conservatism is about the individual. Liberalism doesn't care about the individual. This is simple. We just have to tell the story about it.


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The big news of the 2008 election is the GOP moderates, the RINOs have jumped ship and fled to Obama. So much for the Big Tent Republican Party. At the end of the day, its not about the party, its about power and the Washington social party circuit for them. What's ironic is these are the same people who pushed John McCain on the Republican Party, telling the base only he could bring moderates and independents into the party. And what are they doing? Just the opposite - they are abandoning the Republican Party in droves. That's what happens when you have people in the Party whose only interest is their personal ambition, not principle. Conservatism doesn't need to be "moderated" or updated. A timeless set of beliefs will never go out of style. So after the election, the Party has to be rebuilt from the ground up. And one of the things conservatives must do is keep liberals and moderates out of the party. When all is said and done, they don't have our best interests at heart.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 10/24/2008 3:31:48 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

Don’t let the screen door hit you in the ass!


2 posted on 10/24/2008 3:32:36 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I'm voting for McCain/Palin so I can look my grandchildren in the eyes when I tell them I'm sorry.)
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To: goldstategop

Yeah, if you’re not one of us, what the hell were you doing on our side, anyway?


3 posted on 10/24/2008 3:33:11 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: goldstategop

I thank God they are leaving and sure wish a bunch more would.


4 posted on 10/24/2008 3:33:57 PM PDT by trustandobey
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To: goldstategop

Is a RINO someone who believes in limited government in all its forms? That includes telling the social-cons to take their Big Brother agenda and stick it.


5 posted on 10/24/2008 3:34:15 PM PDT by misterrob (Obam-Spreading the Wealth To Those Who Didn't Earn It.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Good riddance..At least this election is smokin em out.


6 posted on 10/24/2008 3:35:42 PM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: goldstategop

Rush kind of has to walk on eggshells with that. After all, he has been banging the drum for those GOP moderate Republicans for years.

IIRC, he was intially on their side for the Dubai ports deal, the Miers nomination, amnesty for illegals, etc.

It was only after the 2006 GOP Congressional massacre that Rush declare he was “no longer carrying the water for the GOP.”


7 posted on 10/24/2008 3:36:00 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: goldstategop
Rush is right on target. This election has at least flushed out the pseudo Republicans. Peggy Noonan and others.
8 posted on 10/24/2008 3:36:29 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: misterrob
A RINO is a big government liberal who is pro choice, anti gun and and pro same sex marriage. The reason he's a Republican is because he is an elitist liberal who looks down on Democrats as the great unwashed Joe The Plumber crowd. That's the definition of a RINO.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

9 posted on 10/24/2008 3:37:08 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Jumped Ship?? I hope they landed on a rock head first the Pinko leaning Scum!
10 posted on 10/24/2008 3:38:27 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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To: goldstategop
The big news of the 2008 election is the GOP moderates, the RINOs have jumped ship and fled to Obama.

Anyone who could vote for Obama - the most liberal candidate to run for president in my lifetime - can not be considered a "moderate". Such people are either liberals themselves, or else they lack any ideology besides an attraction to power.
11 posted on 10/24/2008 3:43:33 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: goldstategop

I heard Medved today passionately defending those type of Republicans. He contends that no “true conservative” has ever won an election. He further stated that Regan was one of them by virtue of his appointment of James Baker (SoS), and his choice of Bush as VP. I never cared for Medved much.


12 posted on 10/24/2008 3:46:26 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: goldstategop

This isn’t RINO?

In her first policy address since joining the Republican ticket, Sarah Palin called for parents of special needs children to use federal funding to pick the school of their choice...

Palin also called for full federal funding of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, phasing in an additional $15 billion in funding over five years. (snip)


13 posted on 10/24/2008 3:48:22 PM PDT by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Communism, Fascism, Socialism)
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To: goldstategop
And one of the things conservatives must do is keep liberals and moderates out of the party. When all is said and done, they don't have our best interests at heart.

And who was screaming this after the 2006 election? ME, and a few other conservatives!

Remember, McCain is one of those moderates, do not forget this. The only ray of light in this whole republican debacle is Palin.

14 posted on 10/24/2008 3:49:17 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Vote Conservative Repuplican!!)
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To: goldstategop

I know that I’m going to get flamed for this, but I believe that conservatism doesn’t have a single meaning: it has several strands. We know that some people are conservative socially, the others are conservative economically, and so on. Some people are both social and economic conservatives. The great thing about Reagan is that he could put different strands of conservatism in one umbrella. The way I understand Rush is that a person has to hold every single conservative position (in social, economic, patriotic, etc.) before he can be called ‘conservative’.


15 posted on 10/24/2008 3:49:43 PM PDT by paudio (0bama is a Marxist who lied to get elected. If he is elected, we will see a different 0bama..)
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To: VR-21

And this is why I said to you earlier in the week, “I don’t care who wins this election.”

Rush needs to give his head a shake. If McCain doesn’t win this election, and the Dems get 60 in the Senate, here comes the Fairness Doctrine.

And that’s not all.

Rush can gloat after November 4, if he wants. It’s not the time for it now.


16 posted on 10/24/2008 3:50:39 PM PDT by nyc1
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To: Cheetahcat
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17 posted on 10/24/2008 3:50:58 PM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
They don't have an ideology besides power. As Rush said, if you went to Democratic leaders and said "I'm a liberal but I'm pro life" or I'm a liberal but I believe in traditional marriage," they don't want to hear from you. So why should we entertain hearing people who say, "I'm a conservative but I'm pro choice" or "I'm a conservative but I'm pro gun control?" As the late William Buckley was once fond of saying anything that isn't conservative by definition sooner or later becomes liberal. The moment you compromise with the Left on your core principles, they've already won.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

18 posted on 10/24/2008 3:53:16 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: donna
Unfunded mandates are not Conservative. The burden of educating special needs children has been put on the States. If the federal government funds their mandate it will free up education money in the States.

No, educating all Americans to the best of their ability to learn is not ‘RINO’.

19 posted on 10/24/2008 3:57:46 PM PDT by allmendream (White Dog Democrat: A Democrat who will not vote for 0bama because he's black.)
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To: paudio

“The way I understand Rush is that a person has to hold every single conservative position (in social, economic, patriotic, etc.) before he can be called ‘conservative’.”


Because that is conservatism, the rest of the people have to balance what compromises they will accept, that is why a lot of the liberal republicans are joining Obama, Palin is too conservative for them and they won’t support her just to maintain their “economic conservatism”


20 posted on 10/24/2008 3:58:46 PM PDT by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: goldstategop

The neocons are abandoning the GOP after ruining it. Maybe they can ruin the Democrats too.


21 posted on 10/24/2008 4:00:00 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: goldstategop
I am an indepentent (of which I think we need much more) who is anti big government, pro gun, anti same-sex marriage (a contradiction of terms) but pro choice for the right choice of no abortions. Our country has given many lives for the freedom to choose (Even when it is the wrong choice). If you believe that human choice is more powerful than God's will, then you will be for restricting that choice. I believe that God's law will inevitably prevail if humans are given the FREEDOM to perceive and choose that law.
22 posted on 10/24/2008 4:00:34 PM PDT by Batman
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To: paudio

“I know that I’m going to get flamed for this, but I believe that conservatism doesn’t have a single meaning: it has several strands. We know that some people are conservative socially, the others are conservative economically, and so on. Some people are both social and economic conservatives. The great thing about Reagan is that he could put different strands of conservatism in one umbrella. The way I understand Rush is that a person has to hold every single conservative position (in social, economic, patriotic, etc.) before he can be called ‘conservative’.”

No flames here. I agree about Reagan. He pulled in social and foreign policy conservatives who were out of place in a Democratic Party that had moved left.

I’d be a lot more comfortable with the “lose and rebuild” theory if I saw a Reagan out there to build around during an Obama presidency.


23 posted on 10/24/2008 4:02:03 PM PDT by nyc1
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To: goldstategop

So McCain, Romney, Thompson, Giuliani and their constituents—Hillary’s old women—have left the Republican Party? Oh...no, apparently not.


24 posted on 10/24/2008 4:03:12 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: nyc1

I don’t believe it was me you said it to. I don’t have any posts from you in all of October. I plan to vote for McCain (as does Rush I’m sure), because the alternative to me is unthinkable. I’m growing increasingly sick of that being the primary reason for my vote however.


25 posted on 10/24/2008 4:04:46 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: TomGuy

Rush supported Dubai but he DID NOT support Miers. he was emphatically against her from day one.

And while amnesty wasn’t an issue he carried every day when it became an issue forced by Bush, McCain and Kennedy he was against it.


26 posted on 10/24/2008 4:05:20 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (re the guy)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“Yeah, if you’re not one of us, what the hell were you doing on our side, anyway?”


They were never on “our” side, that is why when McCain chose Palin it signaled that the conservatives owned the future of the party, meaning that the rinos had lost.

That is why they jumped ship.


27 posted on 10/24/2008 4:05:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: goldstategop

How the hell is it that moderate Republicans are fleeing their own party and we are not attracting other moderates and independents? How in the hell did you people figure this to happen? So the Republican Party’s own strategy here not only has it backfired, it’s embarrassing. ....”The Republican Party, we gotta be a big tent,” and that’s code words for, “We gotta have some pro-choicers in our party to get rid of the influence of these hayseed hicks in the South who are pro-life.”
***Here’s a Big-Tent analogy I introduced on my SUPOI
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821435/posts?page=6245#6245

Take a small box and fill it with some rocks. Then add some rice, filling it to the top. Now take all the same stuff, but in a different order. Put in the rice first, then add the rocks. What you’ll find is that if you put in the big stuff first, the small stuff will fit around it. But if you put in the small stuff first, the big stuff won’t have room. The republican tent is the box. The Big issues are the socon issues, to be put in first. The little issues are things that can be accommodated around the bigger stuff. A candidate who tries to focus on the smaller issues first and leave out the bigger issues has no way of getting all of us into the tent. He splits the party. The candidate who gets the big stuff right and as much of the little stuff that will fit, he can fit more into the tent. We’re often amazed at how much rice can keep fitting in. Rudy Giuliani flunks some of the big issues, and on some of the little issues it looks to me like anyone else’s rice would do just as well. All that remains for us to agree on is which are the bedrock principles and which are not. Why would there be so much invective aimed at rudy from the right? Because there are some bedrock principles that he is leaving out. Bad move. I see rudybot postings all the time saying that they would vote for Hunter, and I see socon postings that say they would not vote for rudy. That’s a BIG indicator of a few bedrock principles that are being left outside the tent in order to let in some rice.


28 posted on 10/24/2008 4:07:29 PM PDT by Kevmo (I love that sound and please let that baby keep on crying. ~Sarah Palin)
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To: ansel12
Yep. McCain went with the base rather than with them in his Veep pick and they've never forgiven him for it.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

29 posted on 10/24/2008 4:09:00 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I detest the far right almost as much as I detest the far left. Both groups are idiots in my opinion! I and one proud RINO who does not follow the herd and makes up his own mind! I believe in States Rights and a small federal government. I believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and I am rejoining the NRA as soon as I get back to the states. As these “Ol Boys” say it and play it: OBAMA, NO MERCI BEAUCOUP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUrZltfJv5c


30 posted on 10/24/2008 4:12:13 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: goldstategop
About 35% of the people in this country classify themselves as Conservatives. If you drive everyone else out you just hang it up. You cannot win an election with 35%. The unreality on this board is amazing. Just look who is leading the polls now. that is the result of only appealing to 35%.
31 posted on 10/24/2008 4:12:43 PM PDT by bilhosty
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To: nyc1

You get a gold star for telling the truth.


32 posted on 10/24/2008 4:14:36 PM PDT by bilhosty
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To: goldstategop

Indeed...Dont’t let the door....


33 posted on 10/24/2008 4:17:24 PM PDT by pandemoniumreigns
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To: bilhosty
Actually its around 40%. Another 20% are somewhat conservative. 38% are liberal and 2% are moderate. That's Question D3 of the Battleground Poll.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

34 posted on 10/24/2008 4:19:37 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: bilhosty
Just look who is leading the polls now. that is the result of only appealing to 35%. What, were you born yesterday? McCain has been R-New York Times for the last 10 15 years.

He has done everything he can to appeal to the swing voter, including spending most of his campaign saying "me too" every time Obama proposes a new give away.

And while only 35% are real, self-identified conservatives, a good chunk of even Obama's diehard supporters (blacks) don't support abortion, homosexuality or gun control.

But the bottom line is that what they have to say is far less important than 1) how they say it 2) what percentage of the female population would prefer to date each one.

35 posted on 10/24/2008 4:25:44 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Don’t let the screen door hit you in the ass!

Boy do I second that!

36 posted on 10/24/2008 4:26:34 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: ansel12
Because that is conservatism, the rest of the people have to balance what compromises they will accept, that is why a lot of the liberal republicans are joining Obama, Palin is too conservative for them and they won’t support her just to maintain their “economic conservatism”

This is where I have problem with: the straight line model where 'real conservative' is on one corner, and the more distance a person from that corner, the less conservative he is. There is no place in this model for various kinds of conservatism. I don't think reality is like that. As I mentioned in my post, Reagan revolution is about his ability in putting them together in one umbrella.

37 posted on 10/24/2008 4:26:38 PM PDT by paudio (0bama is a Marxist who lied to get elected. If he is elected, we will see a different 0bama..)
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To: goldstategop
The minute you say that conservatism includes people who are pro-choice, you've destroyed conservatism because conservatism stands for "life, liberty, pursuit of happiness." Without life, there is nothing else here, and if we're going to sit around indiscriminately deciding who lives and who dies based on our own convenience, that's not conservative. Individual liberty. The essence of innocence is a child in the womb who has no choice over what happens to it. Sorry. If we don't stand up for that person, if the government doesn't, then nobody will. And if we allow ourselves to get watered down by a bunch of people who are embarrassed over that position, they're not conservatives.

And just think, there are some Rush haters who claim he isn't pro-life.

38 posted on 10/24/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by mnehring (We Are Joe!)
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To: allmendream
Education belonged to the states until big federal government took it over. It is not conservative in any way for the federal government to be involved with public schools.

Excerpt:

The United States Department of Education is a Cabinet-level department of the United States government. Created by the Department of Education Organization Act it was signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 17, 1979 and began operating on May 4, 1980. (snip)

A previous Department of Education was created in 1867 but soon was demoted to an Office in 1868. Its creation a century later in 1979 was controversial and opposed by many in the Republican Party, who saw the department as an unconstitutional, unnecessary federal bureaucratic intrusion into local affairs.

Unlike the systems of most other countries, education in the United States is highly decentralized, and the federal government and Department of Education is not heavily involved in determining curricula or educational standards (with the recent exception of the No Child Left Behind Act).

This has been left to state and local school districts. The quality of educational institutions and their degrees is maintained through an informal private process known as accreditation, over which the Department of Education has no direct public jurisdictional control.

39 posted on 10/24/2008 4:36:58 PM PDT by donna (Synonyms: Feminism, Communism, Fascism, Socialism)
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To: TomGuy

“Rush kind of has to walk on eggshells with that. After all, he has been banging the drum for those GOP moderate Republicans for years.”

No he was facing facts. To help the Republican party win he was espousing the moderate line to try to move them to the right. He was playing a tactical game and realized it was for naught.


40 posted on 10/24/2008 4:37:42 PM PDT by JSteff ( It is ALL about SCOTUS, forget the name of the candidates and vote on that!)
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To: paudio

The Reagan revolution was about conservatism, not the continuation of the old country club republicans.

Reagan was fighting the same elitist republicans that we are now, Herbert walker Bush was his veep pick to placate them.

The economic “conservatives” that are single issue and know that the republican party is their best bet, have to decide if they can accept the rest of our conservatism or if their hatred for flesh and blood conservatives as represented by Sarah Palin is just too much for their sophisticated sensibilities.


41 posted on 10/24/2008 4:39:08 PM PDT by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: GOP Poet
Here here!

There is this ninny who does a morning drive time talk show out of Philly who for years pushed the "big tent" theory and the "it's my party too" line. (a la our former gov Christie Whitless)So what happened when the party nominates a moderate like McCain? He jumps ship to the Obama camp in an attempt to land a TV gig at PMSNBC.

I am with most on this board- let the moderates go and please don't come back

42 posted on 10/24/2008 4:40:42 PM PDT by Sir_Humphrey (Scratch a liberal, find a communist)
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To: goldstategop

Separating the wheat from the chaff, the dross from the gold, and the loyal from the traitors. This election cycle was good for something.


43 posted on 10/24/2008 4:42:05 PM PDT by madison10
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To: donna

Well, count me out on my tax dollars going to feed the “abortion industry”, or “sex” education to teach my kids about the happy wedding day of Susie and Janie, or Dirk and Dieter.


44 posted on 10/24/2008 4:44:26 PM PDT by Twinkie (Democratic Party = Communist Party)
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To: goldstategop

I don’t think it was a plan that ‘backfired’. I think these jerks purposely gave us McCain to try to sabotage the party. They knew what they were doing all along. I’ve felt that way since the primaries began.


45 posted on 10/24/2008 4:45:19 PM PDT by J40000
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To: TomGuy
“he was intially on their side for the Dubai ports deal”

The Dubai ports deal was the right deal at the time and he was right on that. There are so many reasons that we SHOULD have done that deal.

Those skittishly railing against that were mostly irrationally scared children with no sense of the world realities, FACTS, or current situational awareness of the time. Those opposed also had NO grasp of our place in the world, and a small mindedness as to effect/counter effects of that deal.

46 posted on 10/24/2008 4:46:49 PM PDT by JSteff ( It is ALL about SCOTUS, forget the name of the candidates and vote on that!)
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To: goldstategop

The more of the SOBs that run for the door and vote for Obama is fine by me. We have identified the losers. Get the damned RINOs out of the Conservative party. Conservatives made this stinking party what it was, RINOs, moderates, liberals have destroyed it. Seems like these RINOs were liberal dimocrat plants, put here purposely to destroy the party from within. Colin Powell immediately comes to mind.


47 posted on 10/24/2008 4:49:22 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (I am a true red, white and blue CONSERVATIVE! I HATE LIBERALS and Dimocrats!!!)
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To: goldstategop
The battle ground poll give s higher numbers for conservatives than other polls. I can assure you if 60% of the population were conservative this race would be over and in our favor.
48 posted on 10/24/2008 4:58:15 PM PDT by bilhosty
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Ding, ding, ding!... Johnny, tell him what he has won!...


49 posted on 10/24/2008 5:01:59 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: goldstategop
In my opinion the reason most of these jerks abandoned ship is that they do not want to see Palin in the WH, either now or in 2012, especially then because she will be running for President. They are crapping their pants over Palin because she is bringing conservatism back to the Republican party and they don't want that. Their whole life, Colin and the other "moderate" republicans(certainly not conservatives), has been to make one party out of republicans and democrats, to have the same goal in the long run. We have seen it and more than one FReeper has said it, that both parties are starting to look more and more the same.

Good riddance to the moderates, I hope they all leave.

They are going to be sucking air on Nov 5 because McCain/Palin are going to win.

50 posted on 10/24/2008 5:02:07 PM PDT by calex59
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