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Obama Citizenship - Another Focus
from Philip J. Berg lawsuit

Posted on 10/24/2008 3:51:45 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise

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Obama has denounced our democratic rule of law and has abused it to the point of crime.

He now is running for the top job and flocks of people are appointing him king ... the electoral process has been thrown into the mud by the media who have created this
monster among us, building his phony importance, covering his lies and anti-U.S. activities and even our courts can do nothing?

What have we become? When a creature who cares nothing for the people in our democracy and for all we know has promised deliverance to the terrorists who would seek to gain control of the nation. Even some prisoners are voting while incarcerated with the blessings of the democrats.

What of all the people who have shed blood for us on foreign soil? What of our brave men and women who have left their homes to fight for our freedoms and the freedoms of other nations? Now our own soil has become foreign.

For nothing?

For this psychopath to be crowned “king”???

Big words, filled with passion. I am grieving over what I thought was the United States of America.

There is no unification here, only division and crime.

While the good people stand and watch what is happening - crippled by their goodness.


141 posted on 10/25/2008 4:46:05 AM PDT by imintrouble
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To: kabar

If Obama renewed his Indonesian passport so as to enable him passage into Pakistan and India, then he would have been required to repudiate citizenship to any other nations including the US.


142 posted on 10/25/2008 5:54:58 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: SatinDoll
That wouldn't affect his US citizenship. ... a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

Of course, we have no way of knowing if Obama ever had an Indonesian passport or if he ever travelled to Pakistan using it.

143 posted on 10/25/2008 6:02:39 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

“...we have no way of knowing if Obama ever had an Indonesian passport...”

Don’t be silly! Of course we do. He traveled as a child with his mother after she had become an Indonesian citizen. He traveled either on her passport or his own as an Indonesian citizen. How do I know? All the papers in Indonesia state that Obama is one of them.

Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama was a citizen of Indonesia and most likely still is one.


144 posted on 10/25/2008 6:11:30 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: kabar

See the following:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2093742/posts

“Obama is Indonesian. My sources claim that he was adopted and that the Indonesian government is aware of this - so are Obama’s people who cut a deal with the Indonesian government to have the records suppressed.”

According to this article Obama promised, as President, not to interfere with Indonesia’s oppression and genocide of the Papuans in exchange for the Indonesian government handing over all pertinent documents about himself, Barry Soetoro (Barack Obama’s legal name). The thing about Indonesia, or so I’ve been led to believe, is that bribes will get you just about anything in Indonesia.


145 posted on 10/25/2008 6:22:43 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: SatinDoll
Don’t be silly! Of course we do. He traveled as a child with his mother after she had become an Indonesian citizen.

What year did she become an Indonesian citizen? Do you have any factual evidence that Obama travelled on an Indonesian passport when he left the US at age six with his mother or when he returned at age 10 to live in Hawaii?

How do I know? All the papers in Indonesia state that Obama is one of them.

All what papers? His registration at school is all that I am aware of.

Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship. Obama was a citizen of Indonesia and most likely still is one.

Since the US does recognize dual nationality, this doesn't affect Obama except he would lose his Indonesian citizenship if he ever had it.

You can make stuff up, but to be credible, you have to have some facts. You are one of those diehards clutching at straws hoping that some deus ex machina is going to come down and change the calculus of the election. McCain/Palin can't depend on that to win. In many ways it is a distraction. Obama is a target rich environment with his radical associations and Marxist/racist politics. You are headed down a blind alley with this one.

146 posted on 10/25/2008 6:27:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: SatinDoll

I don’t believe any of this nonsense. I lived in Jakarta for two years—1973-75. Yes, corruption is rampant but I don’t believe any of the conspiracy theories such as this one.


147 posted on 10/25/2008 6:30:49 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Ha! You don’t like the results of my research so you get nasty. Fine. But it doesn’t change the truth - Obama is not a natural born citizen of the US and was adopted by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, in the early 1960s.

How’s that Obama Kool Aid?


148 posted on 10/25/2008 6:32:36 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: SatinDoll
Your research lacks facts and proof. It is not credible or verifiable. I am being candid and honest. Yes, Obama was adopted. He was around six years old at the time, a minor who could not give up his citizenship.

Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.

Obama left Indonesia when he was ten years old. He has an American passport. That we do know.

149 posted on 10/25/2008 6:47:51 AM PDT by kabar
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To: TribalPrincess2U

We are in a soundbite society. Electing officials through ignorance will only bring disaster.


150 posted on 10/25/2008 8:17:32 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: freekitty

We got Carter and Clinton through soundbite ignorance.


151 posted on 10/25/2008 8:18:07 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Check out the "Obama Timeline". Very detailed answer to your question.
152 posted on 10/25/2008 12:53:43 PM PDT by Churchillspirit
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