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Obama Citizenship - Another Focus
from Philip J. Berg lawsuit

Posted on 10/24/2008 3:51:45 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise

There appears to be no question that Defendant Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a U.S. citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama’s parents, according to divorce records, were married on or about February 2, 1961.

Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born.

Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya.

Reports reflect that Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy (which, apparently, was a normal restriction, to avoid births during a flight). By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home and registered Obama’s birth. There are records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.

Upon investigation into the alleged birth of Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obama’s birth is reported as occurring at two (2) separate hospitals, Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital. Wikipedia English Version, under the subject “Barack Obama,” states Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital. Wikipedia Italian Version, under the subject “Queens Hospital,” states Barack Obama was born in Queens Hospital.

Furthermore, the Rainbow Edition News Letter, November 2004 Edition, published by the Education Laboratory School, attached as EXHIBIT “1”, did a several page article of an interview with Obama and his half-sister, Maya. The Rainbow Edition News Letter reports Obama was born August 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.

More interesting in February 2008, Obama’s half-sister, Maya, was again interviewed in the Star Bulletin, attached as EXHIBIT “2”, and this time, Maya states Obama was born August 4, 1961 in Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children.

Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer published an article on June 9, 2008 stating that a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen, attached as EXHIBIT “3”.

Even if Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii, he lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother re-married and moved to Indonesia with her Indonesian husband. In or about 1966, when Obama was approximately five (5) years old, his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, whom she had met at the Hawaii University, and moved to Indonesia with Obama. Obama lost his U.S. citizenship, when his mother married Lolo Soetoro, and took up residency in Indonesia. Loss of citizenship, in these circumstances, under U.S. law (as in effect in 1967) required that foreign citizenship be achieved through “application.” Such type of naturalization occurred, for example, when a person acquired a foreign nationality by marriage to a national of that country. Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317(b). A minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of their custodial parent. A further issue is presented that Obama’s Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, either signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son or Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama, giving Obama natural Indonesia citizenship which explains the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

Obama admits in his book, “Dreams from my father” Obama’s memoir (autobiography), that after his mother and Lolo Soetoro were married, Lolo Soetoro left Hawaii rather suddenly and Obama and his mother spent months in preparation for their move to Indonesia. Obama admits when he arrived in Indonesia he had already been enrolled in an Indonesia school and his relatives were waiting to meet him and his mother. Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian State citizen, could not have enrolled Obama in school unless Lolo Soetoro signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son, which had to be filed with the Government. Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Obama, as an Indonesian State citizen.

Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 Law No. 12 of 2006 dated 1 Aug. 2006 concerning Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 9 of 1992 dated 31 Mar. 1992 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie) states in pertinent part, State citizens of Indonesia include: (viii) children who are born outside of legal marriage from foreign State citizen mother who are acknowledged by father who is Indonesian State citizen as his children and that acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years of age or prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution 1945, As amended by the First Amendment of 1999, the Second Amendment of 2000, the Third Amendment of 2001 and the Fourth Amendment of 2002, Chapter X, Citizens and Residents, Article 26 states, “(1) Citizens shall consist of indigenous Indonesian peoples and persons of foreign origin who have been legalized [sic] as citizens in accordance with law. (2) Residents shall consist of Indonesian citizens and foreign nationals living in Indonesia.”

Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once adopted by an Indonesian citizen, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child, Indonesian Constitution, Article 2. The laws in Indonesia at the time of Obama’s arrival did not allow dual citizenship. If an Indonesian citizen married a foreigner, as in this case, Obama’s mother was required to renounce her U.S. citizenship and was sponsored by her Indonesian spouse. The public schools did not allow foreign students, only citizens were allowed to attend as Indonesia was under strict rule and decreed a number of restrictions; therefore, in order for Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, which he did, he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, as the citizenship status of enrolled students was verified with Government records.

Obama was enrolled by his parents in a public school, Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia. Plaintiff has received copies of the school registration, attached as EXHIBIT “4”, in which it clearly states Obama’s name as “Barry Soetoro,” and lists his citizenship as Indonesian. Obama’s father is listed as Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s date of birth and place of birth are listed as August 4, 1961 in Hawaii, and Obama’s Religion is listed as Islam. This document was verified by television show Inside Edition, whose reporter, Matt Meagher, took the actual footage of the school record.

At the time Obama was registered the public schools * obtained and verified the citizenship status and name of the student through the Indonesian Government. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Keluarga is a family card which bears the legal names of all family members.

Since Obama’s birth was legally acknowledged by Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, and/or Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, which the evidence attached hereto supports, Obama became an Indonesian citizen and bears the status as an Indonesia natural child (natural-born). For this reason, Obama would have been required to file applications with the U. S. State Department and follow the legal procedures to become a naturalized citizen in the United States, when he returned from Indonesia. If Obama and/or his family failed to follow these procedures, then Obama is an illegal alien. Regardless of whether Obama was officially adopted, (which required a Court process), by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, or his birth was acknowledged (which only required the signing of a birth acknowledgement form), by Lolo Soetoro, one of which had to occur in order for Obama to have the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship status listed as “Indonesian”, in either and/or both cases Obama’s name was required to be changed to the Indonesian father’s name, and Obama became a natural citizen of Indonesia. This is proven by the school records in Jakarta, Indonesia showing Obama’s name as Barry Soetoro and his citizenship as Indonesian. Again, the registration of a child in the public schools in Jakarta, Indonesia was verified with the Government Records on file with the Governmental Agencies.

The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual citizenship). Indonesian regulations recognize neither apatride nor bipatride citizenship. In addition, since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship neither did the United States, Hague Convention of 1930.

In or about 1971, Obama’s mother sent Obama back to Hawaii. Obama was ten (10) years of age upon his return to Hawaii.

As a result of Obama’s Indonesia “natural” citizenship status, there is absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained U.S. “natural born” status, if he in fact ever held such. Obama could have only become naturalized if the proper paperwork was filed with the U.S. State Department, in which case, Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship.

Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges Obama was never Naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama was ten (10) years old when he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Obama’s mother did not return with him, and therefore, unable to apply for citizenship of Obama in the United States. If citizenship of Obama had ever been applied for, Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship.

Furthermore, Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan and Southern India in 1981. The relations between Pakistan and India were extremely tense and Pakistan was in turmoil and under martial law. The country was filled with Afghan refugees; and Pakistan's Islamist-leaning Interservices Intelligence Agency (ISI) had begun to provide arms to the Afghan mujahideen and to assist the process of recruiting radicalized Muslim men--jihadists--from around the world to fight against the Soviet Union. Pakistan was so dangerous that it was on the State Department's travel ban list for US Citizens.

Non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business. A Muslim citizen of Indonesia traveling on an Indonesian passport would have success entering Indonesia, Pakistan and India. Therefore, it is believed Obama traveled on his Indonesian passport entering the Countries. Indonesian passports require renewal every five (5) years. At the time of Obama’s travels to Indonesia, Pakistan and India, Obama was twenty (20) years old. If Obama would have been a U.S. citizen, which he was not, 8 USC §1481(a)(2) provides loss of nationality by native born citizens upon "taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state...after having attained the age of eighteen years”, in violation of 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(1) Since Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Obama as his son and/or adopted Obama, Obama was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, as proven by Obama’s school record attached as Exhibit “4”.

Plaintiffs as well as many other democratic American citizens have requested proof of Obama’s citizenship status, however to no avail. Obama has promised to be an open and honest candidate, however, refuses to remove any doubts from Plaintiff’s and all the other democratic minds and prove his eligibility to serve as President of the United States.

Source: from Philip J. Berg lawsuit

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/13/0.pdf

Note: * I’ve added the following - Obama later transferred to secular elementary public school SDN Menteng 1.


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I think that it may be most productive to focus on whether Obama lost his citizenship if indeed he ever had it.

The following is excerpted from Philip J. Berg's lawsuit and is worth discussion here:

1 posted on 10/24/2008 3:51:45 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise
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To: Fithal the Wise
I don't believe you can lose "natural born" status.

If Obama was born in Hawaii, he's all set.

2 posted on 10/24/2008 3:53:59 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered...the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph)
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To: Fithal the Wise
This is getting more and more legs...but I still doubt it will reach a point, before the elction, to halt the Obamanation.

We have to defeat him at the polls, and I believe we can.





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3 posted on 10/24/2008 3:54:38 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Fithal the Wise

Anyone whose mother’s first name was Stanley doesn’t deserve to be president.


4 posted on 10/24/2008 3:55:32 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: Fithal the Wise

This deal may be a commucrat Trojan Horse. I do not think for a minute Obama can win.


5 posted on 10/24/2008 3:56:33 PM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: Fithal the Wise

Obama is a radical socialist — Stick with what we know.


6 posted on 10/24/2008 3:56:56 PM PDT by Tarpon (Barack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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To: Jim Noble
Yes, you can lose US citizenship. It is explained very well in the "Obama Timeline"

Well worth the read.

7 posted on 10/24/2008 3:57:25 PM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: Jim Noble

He could not be a dual citizen in USA and Indonesia. he lost his US citizenship when he became a citizen of Indonesia. At the time there was no dual citizenship with Indo and they may still be true today.

Some argued that a child cannot lose it but I think that is incorrect.


8 posted on 10/24/2008 3:57:33 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: Fithal the Wise

Apparently, Obama’s parents gave little thought to giving him any sort of coherent national heritage. In that respect, I feel sorry for him. His liberal friends taught him that the US Constitution was not important. Now he is facing a grim reality, in a number of ways.


9 posted on 10/24/2008 3:57:46 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Fithal the Wise
If Obama was born in the US, he is a natural born citizen. His parents can not take away his citizenship even thru adoption.

Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.

10 posted on 10/24/2008 3:58:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Fithal the Wise

geeeeeeesh


11 posted on 10/24/2008 3:59:24 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: Jeff Head

I guess the many needed truths about Obamao will never be clear
just because the lamestream media refuse to investigate.

Why is that? We know why it is.

They’re all Marxist lovers and the citizens
are at the Marxist lamestream media’s mercy.


12 posted on 10/24/2008 4:00:11 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (ACORN founder Wade Rathke, a Bill Ayers Weather Underground Associate)
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To: kabar

Recall that Obama’s mother worked at the US Embassy in Indonesia. her employers would have had full knowledge of Obama and his status. Maybe Obama obtained some kind of Ambassadorial waiver for being the child of an American Embassy employee.


13 posted on 10/24/2008 4:01:41 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Jeff Head

Berg related in the Micheal Savage interview that in a couple of days, was going to release the audio recording of Husseins grandmother (in Kenya) stating that she was there in the Kenyan delivery room when Hussein was born. Berg also stated that he was going to release affidavits from individuals confirming the account.

A “couple of days” would be around Sat or Sun.

We’ll see.


14 posted on 10/24/2008 4:03:13 PM PDT by TMA62 (TMA62)
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To: Frantzie
The US recognizes dual nationality. Indonesia did not. The result would be the loss of Indonesian citizenship, not US citizenship.
15 posted on 10/24/2008 4:03:17 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Jim Noble

There is a two part test to be eligible to be present: You must be “natural born” and a “citizen.” Yes, if you are natural born you cannot obviously have that revoked. However, you can lose citizenship.

For example, if you are born in the U.S. but then renounce your citizenship, you are thus ineligible to be President. That is the issue with the Indonesia passport/adoption circumstances, not whether he was natural born.


16 posted on 10/24/2008 4:03:42 PM PDT by mrs9x
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To: Fithal the Wise

When Obama was seen walking alone outside his grandmothers apartment in Hawaii it looked he was ver somber, it looked like he had just seen his dog run over sp to speak.

Myself I think what just happened in Hawaii is the breaker, he lost his chance at becoming president because he was never eligible to be nominated.

If I was in his sandals I would have preferred to have had lost my dog instead.


17 posted on 10/24/2008 4:03:58 PM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (Live from Wasilla, Alaska and saying NO to Barack HUSSEIN Obama)
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To: Jim Noble

I had a thought the other day, it doesn’t matter where he was born, just that he was the son of an American citizen. That is how the left and the courts are going to rule at this point. I would think that SCOTUS would rule that way in a 5-4 decision. It would be a minor change to immigration law and not to the Constitution.


18 posted on 10/24/2008 4:04:31 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

No wavier needed. And an Ambassador has no power to issue any kind of wavier in that regards. The rule of law prevails.


19 posted on 10/24/2008 4:05:02 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Daniel Ramsey

I think Obama and the Democratic party will stand together. It will be a coverup to end all coverups.


20 posted on 10/24/2008 4:05:08 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Fithal the Wise; All

Phillip Berg was on Michael Savage yesterday and it should be noted that he is a lifelong Democrat and a former Pennsylvania State Deputy Attorney General.


21 posted on 10/24/2008 4:05:45 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Buraq HUSSEIN Obama. If the libs don't like his name then why support him?)
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To: TMA62

I believe legally it will be too late...but it may well be soon enough to make a difference with voters if it gts out.


22 posted on 10/24/2008 4:06:13 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Fithal the Wise

This is just noise.
No judge in his right mind,(granting that more than a few are definately of unsound mind and judgement), would or should touch this less than two weeks before the election.
It may well have legal standing and it may well be that zero does not have the legitimate right to stand for president,
BBUUUTTTT...

Do you really want to throw gasoline on a fire?


23 posted on 10/24/2008 4:06:13 PM PDT by mapmaker77
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To: mrs9x

Obama was a minor and was he Indonesia between the ages of 6 to 10. There is no way he could renounce his citizenship.


24 posted on 10/24/2008 4:06:40 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Daniel Ramsey

If I was his advisor, I would tell him to for go it and stay in the race. I doubt anyone other than SCOTUS is going to stop him at this point.


25 posted on 10/24/2008 4:06:49 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: kabar

Working in the Embassy, having access to stationary, do you think Ann Dunham could have a forged a citizenship renunciation document to fool the Indonesian school?


26 posted on 10/24/2008 4:07:22 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Fithal the Wise

I think that the other certification issue is with his law license in Illinois. What questions on that application did he answer honestly? It seems doubtful that he would have answered some of the questions honestly without his application being examined further than most applications would be.


27 posted on 10/24/2008 4:07:28 PM PDT by madinmadtown
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To: ClayinVA
If I was his advisor, I would tell him to for go it and stay in the race.

I agree that will probably be the case. Watch a huge team of lawyers to be waiting in the wings Jan 6th, 2009.

28 posted on 10/24/2008 4:09:08 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Churchillspirit
Yes, you can lose US citizenship.

You can, but not as a minor. Nor can your parents sign away your citizenship on your behalf. You have appear in front of a US consular officer as an adult and swear that you intend to renounce your citizenship.

29 posted on 10/24/2008 4:09:14 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: mrs9x
thank you for that.

Can you also be born on foriegn soil to a US citizen to qualify as "natural born ?

30 posted on 10/24/2008 4:09:45 PM PDT by KTM rider (It's the supreme court appointments stupid)
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To: Fithal the Wise

"We found his real birthplace!"

31 posted on 10/24/2008 4:10:18 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Jeff Head

I agree Jeff. I think that the early release of information would only serve to spook the middle “20” away from Hussein.

I would prefer to have the election go to McCain. There would therefore be no Constitutional crisis. Then, this issue can be resolved legally. If Hussein is what I think he is, he will be striped of his Senate seat and put on the next cattle boat to Indoeasia.


32 posted on 10/24/2008 4:11:17 PM PDT by TMA62 (TMA62)
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To: cynwoody
Have you read the "Obama Timeline"?

A very plausible theory in there.

33 posted on 10/24/2008 4:11:21 PM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: Jim Noble
If Obama was born in Hawaii, he's all set.

Not if he lost his citizenship. The requirement is that you have to be NOW, not have been at some time, a natural born citizen.

I am not saying he isn't, don't misunderstand, I am just commenting on your point...

34 posted on 10/24/2008 4:12:07 PM PDT by mwilli20 ("I also have a bracelet?" Let's make Sen. Government an "also ran"!)
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To: ClayinVA
It does matter where he was born if only one of his parents was an American citizen. This would obviate jus sanguinis and the law at the time, i.e., 1961. His mother was only 18 and not present in the US for five years after the age of 14.

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child. .

35 posted on 10/24/2008 4:12:14 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

No.


36 posted on 10/24/2008 4:13:24 PM PDT by kabar
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To: TMA62
If Hussein is what I think he is, he will be striped of his Senate seat and put on the next cattle boat to Indoeasia.

Unless the mother of all wag the dogs intercedes (per Biden) and the country is in desperate need of "an undistracted leader" who was chosen and loved by the People.

37 posted on 10/24/2008 4:13:42 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Fithal the Wise

I am bookmarking this for every time someone says “Barack’s mother was a US Citizen. Case closed” or something similiar.

I also want to know if there were segregated hospitals in Hawaii in 1961. It would seem someone would remember a white woman in the “black” maternity ward.

I just don’t know how Hawaii handled that back then.


38 posted on 10/24/2008 4:14:24 PM PDT by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: mwilli20

How would Obama have “lost” his citizenship?


39 posted on 10/24/2008 4:15:07 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Fithal the Wise

marking for later


40 posted on 10/24/2008 4:15:43 PM PDT by Unkosified (What do Osama and Obama have in common? They both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: Churchillspirit

Yes, from the Obama Timeline:

After returning to Hawaii and upon turning age 18, Obama could possibly have given up his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen, with the proper paperwork filed through the U.S. State Department and by swearing an oath of allegiance to the United States. It is believed that Obama did not do so. [258,300,301]

If Obama did not relinquish his Indonesian citizenship and become a naturalized U.S. citizen, he remains an Indonesian citizen, and has not been a U.S. citizen since moving to Indonesia in 1966 or 1967. Thus, he is ineligible to be President of the United States. (He is also ineligible to be a United States Senator.) Obama’s repeated failure to provide documentation to prove he is a U.S. citizen suggests it does not exist, and he is therefore possibly perpetrating a colossal fraud on the 300 million citizens of the United States. Obama may, in fact, be an illegal resident alien, subject to expulsion from the United States Senate, arrest, and deportation to Indonesia. [258,300]


41 posted on 10/24/2008 4:16:30 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise
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To: Joe 6-pack

His mom did kind-of look like a jackal.


42 posted on 10/24/2008 4:16:59 PM PDT by conservative cat (I am voting for Sarah and against Obama.)
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To: kabar
How would Obama have “lost” his citizenship?

How should I know? I did not claim he lost it, please re-read my post.

43 posted on 10/24/2008 4:17:38 PM PDT by mwilli20 ("I also have a bracelet?" Let's make Sen. Government an "also ran"!)
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To: Fithal the Wise
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

44 posted on 10/24/2008 4:19:47 PM PDT by explodingspleen
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To: ClayinVA
I doubt anyone other than SCOTUS is going to stop him at this point.

If he wins, and there is evidence he isn't natural born, the challenge would take place in the House, when the electoral votes are officially counted. You know they'll uphold their oath to protect the Constitution, don't you? Well, don't you?

45 posted on 10/24/2008 4:22:05 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: conservative cat
Excpet that Damien had spent more time in uniform before his 12th birthday than Obama has in his entire life...


46 posted on 10/24/2008 4:23:04 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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But but but what happened ...?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2113068/posts

See post 35 - introducing a new father: Frank Marshall Davis - not Obama’s current father of Kenyan citizenship.


47 posted on 10/24/2008 4:23:43 PM PDT by imintrouble
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This is getting tiresome, but the lack of response from the Obama Lawyers adds fuel to the fire.


48 posted on 10/24/2008 4:23:49 PM PDT by Pelagius of Asturias
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Yes, if he was born in Hawaii then for 99% of America he is qualified citizen-wise, whatever the technicalities. If he was born in Kenya, then it gets more complicated. Of course, he isn’t qualified in terms of experience.


49 posted on 10/24/2008 4:23:50 PM PDT by expatpat
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Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born.

Why is it uncertain which hospital he claims he was born in? Just ask him. Also, this guy has other names, right?

And the name Hussein, no one is allowed to speak it, why?

Kind of creepy.

50 posted on 10/24/2008 4:25:34 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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