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URGENT: Obama needs to confronted by McCain TODAY: Here is the evidence in black and white.
hillary clinton forum ^

Posted on 10/26/2008 7:28:12 AM PDT by dascallie

Oh NOOOOOOO

His plan isn't socialist...he's not a socialist...

"A Fair Economy. A Real Democracy. A New Party." 1996 New Socialist Party

See the image at the link and article--Obama's name is all over it. Let him try to squirm out of this!


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; mccain; newparty; obama; socialists

1 posted on 10/26/2008 7:28:13 AM PDT by dascallie
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To: dascallie

Hell we’ve been saying the same thing for months right here in little river.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


2 posted on 10/26/2008 7:34:13 AM PDT by snowman1 (SHAMNESTY.)
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To: dascallie

Please everyone, send the link to Drudge. See if they notice a thousand e-mails.


3 posted on 10/26/2008 7:34:50 AM PDT by PresidentFelon
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To: dascallie

[sarc]

Cool.

Change we can believe in. [/sarc]


4 posted on 10/26/2008 7:35:28 AM PDT by DJ Frisat (I don't run in the Special Olympics and I don't try to reason with liberals.)
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To: dascallie

5 posted on 10/26/2008 7:42:14 AM PDT by Joiseydude (Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,)
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To: dascallie
Frankly, I don't see why everybody is so wound up about "wealth distribution". In fact, we all agree with this basic principle of socialism, the only argument is over HOW MUCH we should take from the wealthy and give to the poor. The wealthy can and should give more to help less fortunate people. This is just common sense. So, get over it America, and get on with the business of drawing the line that fairly defines how we will do this.

And since we're on the subject of taxation, it's also fair to bring up the sister subject of representation. "No taxation without representation" was one of the war-cry slogans that this great nation was founded upon. Since we all agree that the most fortunate among us should share with the less fortunate and that this principle of sharing should be encoded into our system of taxation and laws, it seem obvious that these great people who so graciously will carry the rest of the nation on their financial backs should also be allowed an equivalently greater share of the representation. Everybody has an unalienable right to vote, but those who give more to our social support system should be allowed to vote more often, in a fair and equivalent manner of course.

REPRESENTATION EQUIVALENT TO TAXATION!

6 posted on 10/26/2008 7:43:31 AM PDT by tentmaker
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To: PresidentFelon

send the links to as many blogs as you can!


7 posted on 10/26/2008 7:43:37 AM PDT by caffe (please, no more consensus)
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To: PresidentFelon

Just sent to Drudge. This would be a good followup to the current headline “...Is Obama Marxist?”.


8 posted on 10/26/2008 7:44:50 AM PDT by Aria ("An America that could elect Sarah Palin might still save itself." Vin Suprynowicz)
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To: PresidentFelon

I sent it to Drudge and agree that many of us should do so.


9 posted on 10/26/2008 7:47:02 AM PDT by Ted
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To: Joiseydude

You are obvious a RACIST!!!/sarcasm of the highest order

Where did you get this from, and how can we find MORE!


10 posted on 10/26/2008 7:49:26 AM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: dascallie

Obama’s not a Marxist - Marxists have principles!


11 posted on 10/26/2008 7:52:31 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: dascallie

Hasn’t this been known for over a week now?
Almost 2 weeks?

Really - Obama’s only been a member of the democrat for how long? 11 years?


12 posted on 10/26/2008 7:54:57 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: dascallie

The document owner should do a high res scan into a PDF file and maybe add some electronic high-lighting of the relevant passages. The posted image is pretty hard to read.


13 posted on 10/26/2008 7:55:24 AM PDT by citizen (See: n-O-bama and the Bidens "Spread the Wealth" tour! Cuba, Venezuela, N Korea & China - fall '08)
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To: dascallie

The print is really small, but I do see the message of change. “You renew my faith in the idea that change is not only possible, it is inevitable,” says Davis.

Guess that’s where Barack got his message of change. I figured he didn’t think of it on his own.


14 posted on 10/26/2008 7:58:52 AM PDT by Unkosified (What do Osama and Obama have in common? They both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: R0CK3T
Just read a little about who Barack’s mentors and teachers were, then you will know why people ask if Obama is a Marxist. Look at his Marxist friends.

I saw a television interview of Press Members, and they said that they ran a poll at the start of the voting season and found that 90% of the press were Left-Wing and for Obama. Sure, I knew that without even asking. The Left-Wing Media is giving slanted news, and not the truth.

15 posted on 10/26/2008 7:59:05 AM PDT by tessalu
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To: Aria
No wonder Biden got soooo defensive when that reporter asked him if 0bama’s policies would be Marxist?

Then being such fine good minded people who TOTALLY value diversity of opinion and speech the 0bamunists promptly censored that Press outlet.

16 posted on 10/26/2008 8:00:52 AM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: R0CK3T
Just read a little about who Barack’s mentors’and teachers were, then you will know why people ask if Obama is a Marxist. Look at his Marxist friends.

I saw a television interview of Press Members, and they said that they ran a poll at the start of the voting season and found that 90% of the press were Left-Wing and for Obama. Sure, I knew that without even asking. The Left-Wing Media is giving slanted news, and not the truth.

17 posted on 10/26/2008 8:00:54 AM PDT by tessalu
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To: Aria

Exactly!


18 posted on 10/26/2008 8:00:59 AM PDT by Ted
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To: tentmaker

“In fact, we all agree with this basic principle of socialism, the only argument is over HOW MUCH we should take from the wealthy and give to the poor.”

Just who are you including in the pronoun “we”?


19 posted on 10/26/2008 8:02:02 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: dascallie; verga

Good find. Unfortunately, most Zer0bama supporters WANT socialiam.


20 posted on 10/26/2008 8:04:24 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED)
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To: tentmaker

The wealthy can and should give more to help less fortunate people. This is just common sense.

When was the last time you were given a job by a less fortunate person. As a wealthy person why should I give my money to someone who is less fortunate than I? Let them work hard for their wealth just as I had to work for mine. I am so sick of hearing gimmie gimmie you dont need all that money blah blah blah. I say get your own wealth the old fashioned way you EARN it.


21 posted on 10/26/2008 8:07:08 AM PDT by bikerman (_ _ . /_ _ _ /_ . . / / . . . . / . / . _ . . / . _ _ . / / . . _ / . . . //)
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To: dascallie
The MSM wouldn't care if you had a tape of Obama taking money from the wSaudis to go to Harvard - they wouldn’t care if there was a tape of him meeting with aPalestinian terrorist groups and they won't care about this. The MSM is “Baghdad Bob” without the book on the neck. They gave it up voluntarily.
22 posted on 10/26/2008 8:09:29 AM PDT by GOPJ (When the toughest question for Obama comes from a Plumber - the MSM is finished.)
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To: dascallie
The MSM wouldn't care if you had a tape of Obama taking money from the wSaudis to go to Harvard - they wouldn’t care if there was a tape of him meeting with aPalestinian terrorist groups and they won't care about this. The MSM is “Baghdad Bob” without the boot on the neck. They gave it up voluntarily.
23 posted on 10/26/2008 8:13:31 AM PDT by GOPJ (When the toughest question for Obama comes from a Plumber - the MSM is finished.)
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To: citizen

Right clik over the image

Copy it to your clipboard

Open MS Word

Paste to Word document

Look at toolbar about the middle above the document

Change “100” to “200” in the drop down box

You will be able to read the paper easily


24 posted on 10/26/2008 8:15:22 AM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: tentmaker

“get on with the business of drawing the line that fairly defines how we will do this”

where would you draw that line?

could you elaborate?


25 posted on 10/26/2008 8:17:58 AM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: tentmaker

No not everyone agrees with the system of socialism. There are those of us that believe you are entitled to what you work for. There is no incentive in a socialist society. Why should I go to school, work my rear off, sacrifice the good things in life in order to save my money and then finally at age 40 I am able to INVEST in a business, provide jobs for other people, all of which puts MY MONEY at RISK, and if the business doesn’t work out I lose everything I have worked my entire life for, but if it goes well, then I am to give a portion of my profits to someone else who has done nothing to earn it. YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND.

If that is the way it is, I am not going to sacrifice and save my money. I am going to instead buy the nicer house my family wanted but didn’t get because we were saving for our future and my husband is going to have the nice truck he really wanted etc.

Then when everyone takes on that attitude, which they will, lots of people are going to be out of work because there are no employers and you will all be working for the government at a job they choose for you, at a wage they choose to pay (which won’t be much) and you will have no avenue to change it.


26 posted on 10/26/2008 8:19:14 AM PDT by Hanna548
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To: dascallie

More from the PUMAs eh?

These people are clearly not happy...


27 posted on 10/26/2008 8:28:11 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts.....)
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To: dascallie

Send it to the RNC and Mc Cain Campaign.


28 posted on 10/26/2008 8:28:24 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: dascallie

Oh no! You said BLACK and white in your title...that’s it...your a racist! /s


29 posted on 10/26/2008 8:29:00 AM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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BTTT


30 posted on 10/26/2008 8:30:23 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: dascallie

We had this article a couple of weeks ago- but it was just the online version- the photo of the print copy gives it more impact...nice catch!

Linking to the original story - we find the site is called Pagan Power - which shouldn’t make any difference since it’s a documented newspaper article- but I can hear the screeching of those who kill the messenger as I type ;)


31 posted on 10/26/2008 8:34:04 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: dascallie

bttt


32 posted on 10/26/2008 8:37:19 AM PDT by vigilante2 (Thank You Troops)
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To: Joiseydude; PhiKapMom; ncfool; rivercat; FlingWingFlyer; Oldexpat; RogerWilko; sierrahome; dep; ...
New Party News has front page story about one of their members (1995) Obama -

(Picture of the front page -with Obama - in reply #6 on this thread)

33 posted on 10/26/2008 8:38:26 AM PDT by GOPJ (When the toughest question for Obama comes from a Plumber - the MSM is finished.)
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To: tentmaker
Your opinion is mighty generous .. with other peoples' money !

If an act of charity is anything other than voluntary - it's theft - period.

34 posted on 10/26/2008 8:39:23 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Joiseydude; PhiKapMom; ncfool; rivercat; FlingWingFlyer; Oldexpat; RogerWilko; sierrahome; dep; ...
New Party News(socialist newspaper) has front page story about one of their members (1995) Obama -

(Picture of the front page -with Obama - in reply #6 on this thread)

35 posted on 10/26/2008 8:39:36 AM PDT by GOPJ (When the toughest question for Obama comes from a Plumber - the MSM is finished.)
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To: kralcmot
“get on with the business of drawing the line that fairly defines how we will do this”
where would you draw that line?
could you elaborate?

Here's where part of that line is drawn today:

If your taxable income is less than $31k, you are 50% of taxpayers, you pay 13% of your taxable income as tax and you provide 3% of the total tax burden.

If your taxable income is more than $365k, you are 1% of taxpayers, you pay 21% of your taxable income as tax and you provide 40% of the total tax burden.

We ALREADY have a very progressive tax system that takes from the wealthy and gives to the poor. But that was not my point.

My point was that given this already existing form of socialism in our current government, why don't we make it completely fair by also giving that rich top 1% who pulls 40% of the tax load, a 40% share of the voting rights?

REPRESENTATION EQUIVALENT TO TAXATION!

36 posted on 10/26/2008 8:44:57 AM PDT by tentmaker
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To: dascallie

Something about the word Socialist doesn’t seem to carry much fear in the electorate. Marxist has more oomph.


37 posted on 10/26/2008 8:45:46 AM PDT by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: tentmaker

In fact, we all agree with this basic principle of socialism, the only argument is over HOW MUCH we should take from the wealthy and give to the poor.

No, we don’t all agree with this. The correct answer is “0”


38 posted on 10/26/2008 8:47:29 AM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: FatherofFive

But, there are alot of people who vote because of very shallow reasons based on the way people sound, look, the way they do their hair, and not based on real issues.

You know the type- there’s alot of them too - and maybe, just maybe this news will open their eyes. All we can do is keep trying - that reality will finally sink in before the election.


39 posted on 10/26/2008 8:50:18 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: tentmaker
Since we all agree that the most fortunate among us should share with the less fortunate...

Who's this "we"? You got a mouse in yer pocket?

40 posted on 10/26/2008 9:03:42 AM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: freebilly

Check out post #6 It’s in black and white. What do you think?


41 posted on 10/26/2008 9:05:37 AM PDT by GOPJ (Baghdad Bob had an excuse - there was a boot on his neck. What's AP's excuse?)
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To: tentmaker

Wealthier people who pay more in taxes should vote more often? Satire?

The government’s intrusion into our lives is thorough. When I was a little girl I listened for hours to stories my grandparents told of life in America before FDR.

It’s unlikely many in America would accept that much freedom and liberty in our country anymore. But still- it’s worth thinking about and looking back at in order to learn what different ways might work in the modern world.

We are far removed from the founders first principles today ..


42 posted on 10/26/2008 9:08:40 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: tentmaker
Everybody has an unalienable right to vote, but those who give more to our social support system should be allowed to vote more often, in a fair and equivalent manner of course.

Those who recieve benefits from the government but do not pay taxes should not be allowed to vote. Clear conflict of interest. Thus the mess we find ourselves in.

43 posted on 10/26/2008 9:11:48 AM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (For the first time in my life I am voting for Vice President!)
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To: tentmaker

what??? And who makes up the rules on ‘who makes too much money’. Who decides if You live too well, you’ve become too successful? Who on this earth makes that decision? I may be rich to a homeless person, but I am not to someone who makes more than I. There is great opportunity in the world for those who want it. Not everyone is motivated, maybe not everyone understands the opportunities available. But to strip it away from someone who is successful is wrong! It is wrong to punish those who have worked their rear end off and have done well. Wrong to punish those who have become successful enough to employ people such as myself and offer me a good job and insurance. IF they hadn’t becomes successful, I wouldn’t have a job. Over taxing hurts the economy, simple economics and trends proove that! This is backwards and outdated policies. And Obama is not moving forward, he is moving backwards to known failed policies.


44 posted on 10/26/2008 9:14:48 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: SE Mom
Wealthier people who pay more in taxes should vote more often?

Yes. My taxable income puts me in this group:

Taxable income is between $31k and $62k, we are 25% of taxpayers, we pay 20% of our taxable income as tax and we pull 11% of the total tax burden.

I drew up some ratios between what percentage of AGI and what percentage of the total tax burden we shoulder and then compared those ratios amongst the different levels. If this is a fair way to calculate voting rights, I should get two votes for every one vote somebody in the "less than $31k" category gets and somebody in the top 1% of "more than $365k" should get eight votes.

REPRESENTATION EQUIVALENT TO TAXATION!

45 posted on 10/26/2008 9:19:28 AM PDT by tentmaker
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To: tentmaker

speaking of giving to the poor, I truly feel that if people feel this way, they should give more - voluntarily. Pick up some health insurance for someone in need, pay their rent, buy their groceries. FInd a homeless person and hand them $100.00 or whatever needs to be done. Do you feel that would help? But, as far as charity, the USA is the largest donater is charitable contributions in the world:

We give twice as much Switzerland who is the next leader in charitable contributions. Here is the chart:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_red_cro_don-health-red-cross-donations

Most people in this country are not greedy, we just do not want these decision made for us.


46 posted on 10/26/2008 9:28:47 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: dascallie
Pretty amazing; thanks for the image. I agree with some of the posters here, though, that most the people who will vote for him would just shrug their shoulders. I think the true undecideds are going to break our way, but if this got widespread attention it would help.

This election has all the qualities of a nightmare. It is scary, it doesn't make sense and there is a desperate screaming-about-the-pod-people frustration quality to it. The only difference is we're not going to wake up in three hours and feel the relief that it was only a dream.
47 posted on 10/26/2008 9:40:43 AM PDT by SalukiLawyer (In Moslem mythology al-Baraq (Barack) was the horse upon which Mohammed ascended into heaven.)
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To: tentmaker

the tax codes of this country are an embarassment to us all.

they have evolved as a compromise between idealism and reason. they are a creature of congressional committees and endless arguement. there is absolutely no simple understanding of them. it is difficult to really say how much any percentile income group actually pays. the collection and dissemination of these statistics is as flawed as the tax code itself.

we can debate the details of this system endlessly and accomplish nothing but additional confusion and more codes.

i want a “flat” tax or a “fair” tax. by “flat” tax i mean a set percentage of income, the same for all taxpayers. by “fair” tax, i mean no income tax at all, but a tax on goods and services at a set rate. in either case, i mean no deductions or exceptions. income from any source in any form would be taxed in the “flat” tax. purchases of any goods or services would be taxed in the “fair” tax.

my apologies if i have not used the terms “flat” or “fair” in the same manner as others might.

my choice of the two would be the “fair” tax, but i would accept the “flat” tax on income as a compromise to get rid of our current system.


48 posted on 10/26/2008 12:01:51 PM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: dascallie

Confronted by McCain? Come on, McCain has had months to confront Obama. It is almost like he lost his passion to win!


49 posted on 10/26/2008 6:47:34 PM PDT by FreedBird (H)
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