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Prop 8 called the 'Gettysburg' of gay civil rights
Houston Chronicle ^ | Oct. 31, 2008 | LISA LEFF

Posted on 11/02/2008 4:26:07 PM PST by nickcarraway

Five months and thousands of weddings after California's highest court sanctioned same-sex marriage, anxious eyes around the nation will closely follow voters Tuesday as they decide whether to turn back the clock.

Given the state's size and influence, the vote on a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage has become a referendum on sexual orientation and civil rights. Both sides call it the "Gettysburg" of the power struggle between the gay rights movement and the Christian right, with the victors capturing momentum in other states.

"As California goes, so goes the nation," Mayor Gavin Newsom boldly predicted at a City Hall celebration the day the state Supreme Court legalized marriages of gays and lesbians.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2008election; california; gavinnewsom; homosexualagenda; houstonchronicle; judeochristian; liberalism; lisaleff; moralabsolutes; moralrelativism; prop8; proposition8; protectmarriage; queerlybeloved; samesexmarriage; sanfranciscovalues; socialconservatism; traditionalmarriage; valuesvoters
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To: nickcarraway

Given the problems “straights” seem to have with the concept of fidelity in marriage, why are the gays so eager to marry?

There is something about this whole movement that just bewilders me.


22 posted on 11/02/2008 5:52:43 PM PST by jacquej
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To: SideoutFred

Just picked up my mail and in it was a flyer obviously aimed toward Obama voters. It has a photo of Barack Obama and in large letters this quote “I am not in favor of gay marriage.” On the back are several prominant African Americans giving their support to Prop 8.

African Americans will vote for 8 likely in the same proportions they vote for Obama. I think the latino community will do same. Prop 8 will win easily.


23 posted on 11/02/2008 7:00:06 PM PST by HerrBlucher
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To: nickcarraway

Heh. been a long time since I’ve posted here. I’ve been a lurker since 2006 election. Now that this election is coming up, guess I’ll come out of hiding. :p

Anyways, I’d like to relate you a story about Prop. 8. My family for the most part, is an Obama family. No amount of talk from the one conservative (me) is going to change that.

However, the same can’t be said with Prop 8. My sister came over to my house and tried to convince my dad to vote no to Prop 8, basically saying the No on Prop 8 talking points. My dad on the other hand, wasn’t so sure. Since he knew in this state, Civil Unions had the same rights as Marriage, it sounded like he was going to vote yes on it. I don’t think he changed his mind when my sister went up and left.

Obama will win this state. But if this is any sign, Prop 8 will pass regardless.


24 posted on 11/02/2008 10:39:56 PM PST by Simmy2.5
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To: nickcarraway

Prop 8 is going to win by a huge margin. I am certain of it. The vast majority of people are fed up with the homosexuals’ attempt to change our culture and indoctrinate our kids. Luckily I don’t live in one of the big cities because I fully expect them to riot like they did after the Dan White verdict.


25 posted on 11/03/2008 5:12:34 AM PST by DestinyEagle
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To: nickcarraway

Don’t forget FL and Arizona.

NO MSM COVERAGE of the marriage amendments.

NO MSM COVERAGE of NO INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES FOR EXPENDITURES TO HURRICANEPROOF YOUR HOME IN FL! (as in lower insurance)

Instead the MSM is busy selecting undergarments to throw on stage at the obama victory rally.


26 posted on 11/03/2008 5:16:07 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: max americana

homosexual marriage has NEVER been about homosexuals, it has always been about attacking marriage.

The left wingers at the ABA conventions have always talked about “de-institutionalizing” marriage into a legislative construct rather than a common law insitution.

Those left wing lawyers want to break appart the family unit’s independence from government. Mommy and Daddy and baby makes three is a fundamental beyond constitutional hoop jumping. It is a threat to the left wing power grab.

Homosexuals may THINK this is about them, but the fact of the matter is they are useful idiots who are just buying the rope for their own hanging.


27 posted on 11/03/2008 5:23:39 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: nickcarraway

I disagree. Prop 8 is not as seriously as Gettysburg even in a metaphorical sense.


28 posted on 11/03/2008 3:15:59 PM PST by newzjunkey (CA: YES on PROP 4. *** MCCAIN-PALIN ***)
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To: HerrBlucher

Obama has managed to come down on both sides of the issue.

http://www.bootsandsabers.com/index.php


29 posted on 11/03/2008 3:57:06 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: nickcarraway

I must be having a crazy sense of deja vu, but I though CA voters had already passed a proposition banning gay marriage, and it was immediately challenged in court and tossed out.


30 posted on 11/03/2008 4:00:16 PM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Natchez Hawk

It was an expensive win.

It gave us the Gettysburg address and a rallying cry.

We also have AZ and FL to contend with.

note how nobody is mentioning those two, only KAAAAHLEEEEFOURNeeeeeAAAAHH.

In FL they need 60% to pass,

In california is it simple majority?


31 posted on 11/03/2008 4:01:03 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: nickcarraway

I just watched a documentary last night about the Battle of the Wheat Field.

Gettysburg is amazing.


32 posted on 11/03/2008 4:03:16 PM PST by olivia3boys
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To: longtermmemmory

I believe so.

60% is a bit weird—must be a State Constitutional Amendment.


33 posted on 11/03/2008 4:05:47 PM PST by Natchez Hawk (What's so funny about the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments?)
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To: Natchez Hawk

yes, the democrats pushed for 60% for amendments specifically to make it harder for a marriage amendment eventuality..


34 posted on 11/03/2008 4:24:01 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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