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Prop 8 called the 'Gettysburg' of gay civil rights
Houston Chronicle ^ | Oct. 31, 2008 | LISA LEFF

Posted on 11/02/2008 4:26:07 PM PST by nickcarraway

Five months and thousands of weddings after California's highest court sanctioned same-sex marriage, anxious eyes around the nation will closely follow voters Tuesday as they decide whether to turn back the clock.

Given the state's size and influence, the vote on a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage has become a referendum on sexual orientation and civil rights. Both sides call it the "Gettysburg" of the power struggle between the gay rights movement and the Christian right, with the victors capturing momentum in other states.

"As California goes, so goes the nation," Mayor Gavin Newsom boldly predicted at a City Hall celebration the day the state Supreme Court legalized marriages of gays and lesbians.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2008election; california; gavinnewsom; homosexualagenda; houstonchronicle; judeochristian; liberalism; lisaleff; moralabsolutes; moralrelativism; prop8; proposition8; protectmarriage; queerlybeloved; samesexmarriage; sanfranciscovalues; socialconservatism; traditionalmarriage; valuesvoters

1 posted on 11/02/2008 4:26:08 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I didn’t know Gettysburg and the deaths of 53,000 good men on both sides had been reduced to a conflict over genitals.

Gettysburg is Holy Ground and I, for one, am angry it is being compared to someone’s lust.


2 posted on 11/02/2008 4:29:32 PM PST by OpusatFR (Neither Republican or Democrat. Monarchist with allegience to The Only One.)
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To: nickcarraway

Four whores and seven queers ago, ah nevermind


3 posted on 11/02/2008 4:29:35 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Election '08, the year McCain defined the word "dilemma")
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To: nickcarraway

Prop 8 will win and not because of the so called “Christian Right”, but because most people simply don’t want it, just like they don’t want polygamy, or incestuous marriage. Get over it gays, and quit while you are ahead. You push to far and you will end up losing much more.


4 posted on 11/02/2008 4:30:42 PM PST by HerrBlucher
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To: nickcarraway

Gettysburg? I call it the Waterloo of the Gay Marriage movement.


5 posted on 11/02/2008 4:31:13 PM PST by max americana
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To: nickcarraway
"As California goes, so goes the nation," Mayor Gavin Newsom boldly predicted at a City Hall celebration the day the state Supreme Court legalized marriages of gays and lesbians.

May God have mercy on this country if this is true!

6 posted on 11/02/2008 4:31:47 PM PST by Anti-MSM
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To: nickcarraway
"As California goes, so goes the nation," Mayor Gavin Newsom...

Sorry "big boy." We did the lawyer version last year and it got shot down. This year we kept it simple and it's going to pass big time. Arizona is going to have a constitutional amendment. Screw the "judges."

7 posted on 11/02/2008 4:31:54 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I'm voting for McCain/Palin so I can look my grandchildren in the eyes when I tell them I'm sorry.)
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To: nickcarraway

Do not soil the memory of 53000 good men by comparing them to men with no balls.


8 posted on 11/02/2008 4:32:23 PM PST by Ancient Drive
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To: HerrBlucher

I hope you are right, polls are too close to call right now. Last poll had it slightly behind.


9 posted on 11/02/2008 4:32:35 PM PST by SideoutFred (B.O. Stinks...it really does)
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To: HerrBlucher

What the gays don’t SIMPLY understand is that all the gays have to do is simply call it “gay/civil unions”. That’s it. And the right will lay off. But NO, they have to hold the majority victim to their minority culture. I wish I can tell the gays to KMA but they might do more than that...


10 posted on 11/02/2008 4:33:38 PM PST by max americana
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To: SideoutFred

The polls are crap, just like with the prez election. The large hispanic community in CA and the black community will overwhelmingly vote for 8, despite most of them voting for bambi. In regards to homosexuality those two cultures are very conservative.


11 posted on 11/02/2008 4:42:08 PM PST by HerrBlucher
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To: nickcarraway
the vote on a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage has become a referendum on state endorsement of a particular sexual orientation and the negation of politically incorrect civil rights.
12 posted on 11/02/2008 4:45:09 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: nickcarraway

Gettysburg was a loss.


13 posted on 11/02/2008 4:47:04 PM PST by Natchez Hawk (What's so funny about the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments?)
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To: Anti-MSM
"As California goes, so goes Oregon."

Cali hasn't been a bellwether since the 1960s.

14 posted on 11/02/2008 4:48:48 PM PST by Clemenza (PRIVATIZE FANNIE AND FREDDIE! NO MORE BAILOUTS!)
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To: nickcarraway
The punk Gavin Newsom wants to force perverted San Francisco values upon the rest of the state. Whether Californians "like it or not." He's the poster child of all that's wrong with same sex marriage.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 11/02/2008 4:51:17 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Morgana
sounds bout right to me...
18 posted on 11/02/2008 5:16:03 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - McCain/Palin'08 = http://www.johnmccain.com/)
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To: nickcarraway

I voted Yes on 8 last week (absentee). Not to “roll back the clock”, but to roll back judicial insanity and activist extremism.


19 posted on 11/02/2008 5:44:52 PM PST by Dagnabitt (What (child) Would Mohammad Do?)
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To: nickcarraway

I voted Yes on 8 last week (absentee). Not to “roll back the clock”, but to roll back judicial insanity and activist extremism.


20 posted on 11/02/2008 5:45:02 PM PST by Dagnabitt (What (child) Would Mohammad Do?)
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To: nickcarraway

Given the problems “straights” seem to have with the concept of fidelity in marriage, why are the gays so eager to marry?

There is something about this whole movement that just bewilders me.


22 posted on 11/02/2008 5:52:43 PM PST by jacquej
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To: SideoutFred

Just picked up my mail and in it was a flyer obviously aimed toward Obama voters. It has a photo of Barack Obama and in large letters this quote “I am not in favor of gay marriage.” On the back are several prominant African Americans giving their support to Prop 8.

African Americans will vote for 8 likely in the same proportions they vote for Obama. I think the latino community will do same. Prop 8 will win easily.


23 posted on 11/02/2008 7:00:06 PM PST by HerrBlucher
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To: nickcarraway

Heh. been a long time since I’ve posted here. I’ve been a lurker since 2006 election. Now that this election is coming up, guess I’ll come out of hiding. :p

Anyways, I’d like to relate you a story about Prop. 8. My family for the most part, is an Obama family. No amount of talk from the one conservative (me) is going to change that.

However, the same can’t be said with Prop 8. My sister came over to my house and tried to convince my dad to vote no to Prop 8, basically saying the No on Prop 8 talking points. My dad on the other hand, wasn’t so sure. Since he knew in this state, Civil Unions had the same rights as Marriage, it sounded like he was going to vote yes on it. I don’t think he changed his mind when my sister went up and left.

Obama will win this state. But if this is any sign, Prop 8 will pass regardless.


24 posted on 11/02/2008 10:39:56 PM PST by Simmy2.5
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To: nickcarraway

Prop 8 is going to win by a huge margin. I am certain of it. The vast majority of people are fed up with the homosexuals’ attempt to change our culture and indoctrinate our kids. Luckily I don’t live in one of the big cities because I fully expect them to riot like they did after the Dan White verdict.


25 posted on 11/03/2008 5:12:34 AM PST by DestinyEagle
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To: nickcarraway

Don’t forget FL and Arizona.

NO MSM COVERAGE of the marriage amendments.

NO MSM COVERAGE of NO INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES FOR EXPENDITURES TO HURRICANEPROOF YOUR HOME IN FL! (as in lower insurance)

Instead the MSM is busy selecting undergarments to throw on stage at the obama victory rally.


26 posted on 11/03/2008 5:16:07 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: max americana

homosexual marriage has NEVER been about homosexuals, it has always been about attacking marriage.

The left wingers at the ABA conventions have always talked about “de-institutionalizing” marriage into a legislative construct rather than a common law insitution.

Those left wing lawyers want to break appart the family unit’s independence from government. Mommy and Daddy and baby makes three is a fundamental beyond constitutional hoop jumping. It is a threat to the left wing power grab.

Homosexuals may THINK this is about them, but the fact of the matter is they are useful idiots who are just buying the rope for their own hanging.


27 posted on 11/03/2008 5:23:39 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: nickcarraway

I disagree. Prop 8 is not as seriously as Gettysburg even in a metaphorical sense.


28 posted on 11/03/2008 3:15:59 PM PST by newzjunkey (CA: YES on PROP 4. *** MCCAIN-PALIN ***)
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To: HerrBlucher

Obama has managed to come down on both sides of the issue.

http://www.bootsandsabers.com/index.php


29 posted on 11/03/2008 3:57:06 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: nickcarraway

I must be having a crazy sense of deja vu, but I though CA voters had already passed a proposition banning gay marriage, and it was immediately challenged in court and tossed out.


30 posted on 11/03/2008 4:00:16 PM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: Natchez Hawk

It was an expensive win.

It gave us the Gettysburg address and a rallying cry.

We also have AZ and FL to contend with.

note how nobody is mentioning those two, only KAAAAHLEEEEFOURNeeeeeAAAAHH.

In FL they need 60% to pass,

In california is it simple majority?


31 posted on 11/03/2008 4:01:03 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: nickcarraway

I just watched a documentary last night about the Battle of the Wheat Field.

Gettysburg is amazing.


32 posted on 11/03/2008 4:03:16 PM PST by olivia3boys
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To: longtermmemmory

I believe so.

60% is a bit weird—must be a State Constitutional Amendment.


33 posted on 11/03/2008 4:05:47 PM PST by Natchez Hawk (What's so funny about the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments?)
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To: Natchez Hawk

yes, the democrats pushed for 60% for amendments specifically to make it harder for a marriage amendment eventuality..


34 posted on 11/03/2008 4:24:01 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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