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Lowry: For Republican McCain, the center did not hold
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 2008-11-07 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 11/07/2008 6:28:12 PM PST by rabscuttle385

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To: Michigan Bowhunter
Exactly.

The conservative base was supposed to be energized by someone who believes in global warming, refuses to drill ANWR, believes in the outrageous big-government concept of 'cap and trade', and of course his critical involvement in McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman, McCain-Kennedy, the Gang of 14, closing GITMO, amnesty, opposed the Bush tax cuts (citing the class envy/class warfare theme which he later tried to ignore), refused to use the name Hussein, refused to address the Rev. Wright issue, supported the bailout, provided little 'cover' for Sarah on the attacks on her and her family,,and just to top things off--considered switching parties to the democratic side and helped to slam the SwiftBoat heroes efforts against John Kerry only a few years ago.

Yep, a lot there to be energized about. /s Yes, I voted McCain--but only because he was the lesser of two evils, and because of Sarah. Never again.

41 posted on 11/07/2008 7:04:53 PM PST by stockstrader (At least Biden has tried to warn us of the dangers of an inexperienced and unqualified ticket)
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To: Michigan Bowhunter

I forgot his efforts to equate Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan with the religious right several years ago.


42 posted on 11/07/2008 7:06:47 PM PST by stockstrader (At least Biden has tried to warn us of the dangers of an inexperienced and unqualified ticket)
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To: hinckley buzzard

You put it in a straight forward manner. Congrats. I gave up on him when he let the agents rot.


43 posted on 11/07/2008 7:07:37 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: stockstrader

I stand corrected, he tried to equate Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.


44 posted on 11/07/2008 7:08:39 PM PST by stockstrader (At least Biden has tried to warn us of the dangers of an inexperienced and unqualified ticket)
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To: stockstrader

When you summarize it that way, I am surprised that he did not lose all 50 states. He was in my training squadron years ago (1965)...I thought he would have been better. All we know for sure is that the people of PA and Ohio need to be home schooled all over again. They have no idea what is happening. I think they should not be allowed to have football teams.


45 posted on 11/07/2008 7:11:59 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: rabscuttle385
Who's the most despised? Lindsey Graham? LOL.

LOL. I think if everyone put together their list of top 5, you'd see a lot of the same names. ;-)

Arnie would place pretty high on my list.

46 posted on 11/07/2008 7:13:00 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: joesbucks
Always said you need the moderates to win. McCain tried to run to the right and cozy up to the people he has always been least comfortable with. SoCons.

Turned the middle off big time.

You are so wrong. McCain did not run to the right. He could not articulate a clear conservative vision because he doesn't believe in one and staffed up with fellow Rockefeller, country-club, RINOs who hate the base. They consider the base uncouth and ignorant (i.e., not much different than Obama in SF). The treatment of Palin shows it.

Obama ran to the right of McCain, promising tax cuts, promising to protect the 2nd amendment, ignoring abortion, claiming magic solutions to health care problems, and generally lying his bleep off. He had the biggest funding advantage since Nixon v McGovern and a press more biased than any in the history of the Republic. Obama's party's opposition was headed by the least popular president since Hoover, in part because Bush is one of the least articulate presidents since Silent Cal (with the possible exception of his father - apparently it's in the DNA). Plus, the same president oversaw the biggest growth in government since Roosevelt. A Democrat created financial crisis was successfully pinned on the Republicans who tried to prevent it and for whatever reason were unable to point that out.

I could go on and on. If Nixon won by 20 points, Obama should have won by 25 or more. He was spotted 20 and still didn't cover the spread. Obama got 52%.

A competent, cogent, articulate conservative with a loyal, professional staff would have annihilated Obama. Even McCain, if he had an Atwater or Rove would have won.

This is not a defeat of conservatives. It's another failure of the RINOs. The coming wave of socialism is a direct result of RINO policies and ineptness.

NO MORE RINOS! EVER! THEY POISON THE PARTY AND COUNTRY.

47 posted on 11/07/2008 7:15:25 PM PST by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: rabscuttle385
John McCain underperformed Bush by six points among conservatives

So kicking your base voters to the curb wasn't a good idea?

Who knew!
/S

48 posted on 11/07/2008 7:15:43 PM PST by RJL
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To: Grunthor
I remember saying something along those lines on that horrible day.

Yep. I take no ownership for the thought--it was shared by many.

49 posted on 11/07/2008 7:16:20 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: joesbucks

LOL, Turned the middle off big time. LOL, ROFLOL, that is a good one, post such pearls often!


50 posted on 11/07/2008 7:16:50 PM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: rabscuttle385

The problem with the GOP is it has been moving its center to more towards the socialist left for many years.


51 posted on 11/07/2008 7:17:22 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Yep, McCain needed more than a three day strategy. You see John McCain thought we think the senate has any honor.

So he didn’t get the message that he needed to pound at Barrack’s associations, once he is defending himself on one, move to the next one and don’t quit. Then he would be on his way to the white house.

But, no, no, who wants to do that. Instead John will hang out in the Senate with the liberal twins Harry and Dick.


52 posted on 11/07/2008 7:17:43 PM PST by Hawk1976 (It is better to die in battle than it is to live as a slave.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Who's the most despised? Lindsey Graham? LOL.

Cannot be gramnesty, he's mccains whipping boy!

53 posted on 11/07/2008 7:18:05 PM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: counterpunch
The GOP needs someone who has both the ability and the desire to articulate Republican ideas.

First they need to have a candidate who actually believes in those ideas. McCain failed on too many counts, IMO.

54 posted on 11/07/2008 7:18:30 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: hinckley buzzard

HB: “George W Bush, for whom I voted twice, like his father, never gave a damn one way or the other about the future of the GOP or the nation.”

I agree the Bushes damaged the GOP and the nation, but I refuse to believe they don’t care about America. Not that it matters much, but I think their motives were good.

That’s the problem with moderates and liberals. It’s not that they mean harm, it’s that they don’t understand that their policies ultimately lead to tyranny. Moderates may be a bit slower getting there, but get there they will.

RINOs like McCain are really no better than leftists. His bipartisanship means giving the Democrats almost everything they want. It’s not like McCain proposes eliminating farm subsidies and settles for a (bipartisan) 25 year plan to slowly reduce them before they are gone. No, McCain’s bipartisanship means the Democrats propose doubling subsidies but compromise for a few points less.


55 posted on 11/07/2008 7:22:39 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Voted proudly for GOVERNOR Palin for VP (but not so sad that RINO McCain lost)!)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
JimRob here summed it up best.

Do you know what democrats call republicans who 'reach across the aisle'?

SUCKERS!

56 posted on 11/07/2008 7:23:38 PM PST by stockstrader (At least Biden has tried to warn us of the dangers of an inexperienced and unqualified ticket)
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To: Entrepreneur

He’s had an overall fairly postive conservative rating. Lifetime of 82%, closer to the 90’s recently.


57 posted on 11/07/2008 7:24:47 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: CitizenUSA
As I have oft-repeated on here,

Liberal Republicans are much more dangerous than liberal democrats,

because liberal Republicans BLUR THE DISTINCTION between conservatism and liberalism,

MAKING LIBERALISM MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE!!

58 posted on 11/07/2008 7:25:52 PM PST by stockstrader (At least Biden has tried to warn us of the dangers of an inexperienced and unqualified ticket)
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To: Polybius

country is still center right because Obama’s positions were to appear in that spot. Tax cuts, drilling, responsible strong foreign policy, etc. He ran basically to the right of McCain on many issues to grab some GOP voters. The pendulum is to the left, which is why he one, but he would not have won without those center right stances.

Much like Clinton.


59 posted on 11/07/2008 7:27:34 PM PST by ilgipper
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To: stockstrader

stockstrader: “Liberal Republicans are much more dangerous than liberal democrats”

So true! President Clinton could have never accomplished the prescription drug benefit. Congress would have fought him tooth and nail. No, it took a squishy RINO in OUR party to do the deed. And No Child Left Behind? Only a RINO could get away with expanding federal control of our schools. That’s something conservatives have fought against for decades.


60 posted on 11/07/2008 7:31:43 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Voted proudly for GOVERNOR Palin for VP (but not so sad that RINO McCain lost)!)
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