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Lowry: For Republican McCain, the center did not hold
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 2008-11-07 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 11/07/2008 6:28:12 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Republicans are consoling themselves by telling anyone who will listen that we still live in a "center-right country." They're right. That's the good news. The bad news is that they've lost the center.

According to exit polls, Barack Obama won moderates by a whopping 21 points on Tuesday, 60-39 percent. That more than doubled John Kerry's nine-point margin over George W. Bush among moderates in 2004.

The ideological composition of the electorate was remarkably unchanged from 2004. The percentage of self-identified conservatives and moderates -- the center-right -- held steady. Conservatives were 34 percent of voters and moderates 44 percent, with liberals the smallest slice of the electorate at 22 percent. John McCain underperformed Bush by six points among conservatives, but getting trounced in the country's great middle doomed him.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: 2008; election; electionpresident; elections; epicfail; failure; issues; lowry; mccain; mccainsfailure; palin; rinopurge
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1 posted on 11/07/2008 6:28:12 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

I think it was McCain’s lack of attacks against clear targets and the mass media being in the tank for Obama.


2 posted on 11/07/2008 6:30:46 PM PST by MtnClimber (O'bomber: fake messiah, fake religion, fake hope! I did not vote for THAT ONE!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Sounds true though, I am amazed at the people who pulled the lever for this empty suit, most because they were fed up with Bush.


3 posted on 11/07/2008 6:31:12 PM PST by ohiogrammy (12)
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To: rabscuttle385
Always said you need the moderates to win. McCain tried to run to the right and cozy up to the people he has always been least comfortable with. SoCons.

Turned the middle off big time.

4 posted on 11/07/2008 6:32:24 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: rabscuttle385
According to exit polls, Barack Obama won moderates by a whopping 21 points on Tuesday, 60-39 percent. That more than doubled John Kerry's nine-point margin over George W. Bush among moderates in 2004.

It sure was a good thing that we nominated a so-called 'moderate', INSTEAD OF A CONSERVATIVE,,,

because as so many said, even here, a moderate would be able to attract moderates and independents. /BPS (biggest possible sarcasm)

5 posted on 11/07/2008 6:33:36 PM PST by stockstrader (At least Biden has tried to warn us of the dangers of an inexperienced and unqualified ticket)
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To: rabscuttle385

I Don’t trust Polls, they are inherently skewed.

Some people that can’t speak a lick of english or are underage may avoid them. Dead people Can’t respond, neither can Cats, dogs, and inanimate objects.

I know we were robbed of some swing states. The fix was in from the start.

Oh, and just in case people that belive the exit polls think I’m paranoid. Sometimes paranoid people are right, even if by accident.


6 posted on 11/07/2008 6:38:11 PM PST by ChetNavVet (Build It, and they won't come!)
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To: rabscuttle385
Republicans are consoling themselves by telling anyone who will listen that we still live in a "center-right country." They're right. That's the good news. The bad news is that they've lost the center.

No... McCain lost the center. In fact, he lost votes from the center, the right, independents, old, young... he just flat out lost across the board. Nominating one of the most despised Republicans as the presidential candidate was extraordinarily stupid. The election was lost the day McCain got the nomination, IMO.

7 posted on 11/07/2008 6:38:27 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: stockstrader

Doesn’t sound like the PUMAs turned out in the numbers they assured us they would either.


8 posted on 11/07/2008 6:39:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain failed to attract moderates because he ran a crappy campaign and the financial crisis.

He was just too old to run. His mind was set in old dogmas and unresponsive. Just look at the debates. He attacks Obama, Obama lies to deflect. McCain doesn’t point out the lie. Rinse, wash, repeat. The lack of responsiveness on the campaign trail was the same.

He should’ve realized he had lost and campaigned in minnesota and other states to help downticket republicans. Instead, he idiotically tried to think he could still win without money and a message that yo-yo’ed around to whatever suited his old, addled mind.

I supported the guy, but his ability to run an organization was probably the worse of any candidate since Jimmy Carter.


9 posted on 11/07/2008 6:40:08 PM PST by DiogenesLaertius
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To: ohiogrammy

Bush never had a group out there responding to the nonsense. He basically thought they could not damage him, and maybe he will emerge as a great president with history (although I have my doubts), but his lack of response ruined the party. You cannot have a standard bearer at 30% approval rating. Of course, he could have vetoed a few things and pardoned some border agents that could have improved his image, but no...he signed pretty much everything they put in front of him and left the agents to rot.


10 posted on 11/07/2008 6:40:27 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: calcowgirl
Nominating one of the most despised Republicans...

Who's the most despised? Lindsey Graham? LOL.

11 posted on 11/07/2008 6:41:21 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" --Patrick Henry)
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To: stockstrader

John McCain was never liked by the masses.....he is not a conservative and has done everything to push thorns under our fingernails for the past 20 years.

Good riddance Johnny.........you suck.

By the way john.....you never gave us anything to hold onto.


12 posted on 11/07/2008 6:41:47 PM PST by Michigan Bowhunter (Democrat socialist liberal scumbags.....how did we let this happen!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Guess what? We conservatives are glad to get rid of the “center.”

I want people standing next to me that I can trust with a gun. Everyone else can take a hike.


13 posted on 11/07/2008 6:42:29 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan
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To: rabscuttle385
Somebody forgot to remind the idiot McCain: Driving down the road, all you find in the "center" is roadkill. Now he's history because he didn't have the sense to surround himself with competent help.
14 posted on 11/07/2008 6:43:54 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: rabscuttle385
Somebody forgot to remind the idiot McCain: Driving down the road, all you find in the "center" is roadkill. Now he's history because he didn't have the sense to surround himself with competent help.
16 posted on 11/07/2008 6:44:06 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: rabscuttle385
"Who's the most despised?"

The fact that Tom DeLay is NOT the most despised says much about what is wrong with the Republican Party.

17 posted on 11/07/2008 6:44:13 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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To: DiogenesLaertius

He lost because he is not a member of an opposition party, with the exception of the Iraq war.


18 posted on 11/07/2008 6:44:26 PM PST by Globalist Goon ("Head down over a saddle.")
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To: calcowgirl

“The election was lost the day McCain got the nomination, IMO.”

I remember saying something along those lines on that horrible day.


19 posted on 11/07/2008 6:44:26 PM PST by Grunthor (Palin/Jindal 2012!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Bush was damn lucky to win 04, since he’s just not a conservative. Republicans have to stop running and governing from the middle. People get used to that and then can’t tell the difference for awhile when a democrat runs in the middle.. Until he governs left, then the damage is done for awhile.


21 posted on 11/07/2008 6:47:13 PM PST by MartinStyles
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To: MtnClimber
I think it was McCain’s lack of attacks against clear targets and the mass media being in the tank for Obama.

He had to either destroy Obama in the debates, or destroy Obama through his associations and record and McCain did neither. McCain failed to straight talk and failed to name names.
22 posted on 11/07/2008 6:47:27 PM PST by igoramus08 (Democrats caused Fannie and Freddie to collapse and this Economic Crisis and Recession)
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To: cripplecreek
Doesn’t sound like the PUMAs turned out in the numbers they assured us they would either.

At least some tried, but McCain just torked off too many people.

23 posted on 11/07/2008 6:48:24 PM PST by Rocko (0bama is The Great Pumpkin)
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To: rabscuttle385

“According to exit poll..”

F&*$# the poll!


24 posted on 11/07/2008 6:48:38 PM PST by FreeFromLiberalizm
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To: MtnClimber
It wasn't a lack of attacks, it was a lack of defense for what his party stands for.
McCain gave no one a compelling reason to vote for him.
That left the ball completely in 0bama's court to do with as he pleased. If he managed to get enough people to be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, he won.
And that is exactly what happened.

The GOP needs someone who has both the ability and the desire to articulate Republican ideas.
Then, and only then, will they begin winning elections again.
 
25 posted on 11/07/2008 6:49:22 PM PST by counterpunch ( Mike Pence for House Minority Leader. Now!)
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To: cripplecreek

I just read an article that stated the PUMA’s did show up. It was too many conservatives that stayed home.


26 posted on 11/07/2008 6:49:46 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: rabscuttle385

This article highlights the foolishness of letting moderates run the party. I mean, they are certainly welcome to vote Republican, but they shouldn’t be setting policy. I don’t know how we can purge these squishy RINOs, but purge them we must if we ever truly want to move the country to the right.

Conservatism requires belief in social conservatism, small government, and individual liberty. No one is truly conservative who demeans one of these three ideals at the expense of the others. All are required!

Show me someone who claims to be a fiscally conservative social liberal, and I’ll show you someone who holds mutually exclusive views. You cannot get fiscal conservatism in a nation that rejects social conservatism. Fiscal conservatism is only possible when the citizens discipline themselves to behave in moral ways.

By the same token, big government social conservatives are on a fool’s errand. Big government provides the safety net that encourages foolish and/or immoral behavior. Asking government to fix people’s souls is like asking an arsonist to put out a fire.


27 posted on 11/07/2008 6:50:17 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Voted proudly for GOVERNOR Palin for VP (but not so sad that RINO McCain lost)!)
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To: rabscuttle385
Republicans are consoling themselves by telling anyone who will listen that we still live in a "center-right country."

America is a "center" country but the pendulum swings between "Center-Right" and "Center-Left".

Let's face facts. George W. Bush was the "Far Less Than Great Communicator". The man never inspired the country. He never explained to the country why it was important not to lose the Iraq War. He never bothered to even defend himself in regards to Katrina and you never heard a single word about these from the White House.

Then, we also had a Republican Congress for 6 years spending money like a drunken sailor.

So, after eight years, the 60% of the country that is to the left of us conservatives was sick and tired of "Republicans", "Conservatives" and the horse we rode in on.

Thus, the country is now "Center-Left".

If Obama keeps his promises to the Left, he will take America down the toilet and, four years from now, America will then become "Center-Right".

If Obama breaks his promises to the Left and moves to the right, as Clinton did, things might not be so bad after four years and the country will then stay "Center-Left" for the time being.

28 posted on 11/07/2008 6:53:19 PM PST by Polybius
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To: rabscuttle385
Well, the San Francisco Democrats have moved out into the suburbs, fired up the grill and settled down into the patio furniture...heard some woman claiming to be a Republican on C-Span this morning, saying she voted for Obama because she went to some of his campaign events and some of McCain's, and Obama's were more "inclusive" - we have to have more women and minorities in the party she stated - hello, there was a woman on the Republican ticket, this administration has had hispanics at all levels including Attorney General, and blacks at all levels, including two as Secretary of State, one of whom turned his back on the party - no one is excluded from the Republican party except those who want to exclude themselves - but at least we seem to getting rid of some of the dumb ones......
29 posted on 11/07/2008 6:53:26 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: rabscuttle385
Republicans are consoling themselves by telling anyone who will listen that we still live in a "center-right country." They're right. That's the good news. The bad news is that they've lost the center.

Moderates finally exposed... It now makes total sense why lord McCain operatives are plotting the destruction of Sarah. None of them can admit the one who got the nomination via the supposed moderate vote then could not get them to elect him.

And once again it will be the moderate elitist who will jut out their all knowing jaws and point their accusing finger to the Sarah conservatives for making them vote Bama.

30 posted on 11/07/2008 6:54:49 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: joesbucks

joesbucks: “McCain tried to run to the right and cozy up to the people he has always been least comfortable with.”

You’ll have to back that up with some examples!

McCain hardly ran to the right. The bailout? Buying up mortgages so deadbeats can stay in their homes? Promising to push for amnesty once the border is secure (or if Congress sends him the bill without a secure border)? What’s so conservative about that?


31 posted on 11/07/2008 6:55:08 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Voted proudly for GOVERNOR Palin for VP (but not so sad that RINO McCain lost)!)
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To: DiogenesLaertius
I think you're analysis is pretty accurate. McCain had no consistent discipline or focus. His run to Washington before the NOLA debate was futile because he had no plan and Dingy Harry, a joke who would be ridiculed out of town by any real state, ate his lunch for him--literally told him to get the hell out of Washington-- and guess what-- he did.

He arrived at the debate Friday night with nothing to say about the economic crisis: no position, no plan, nothing. Squat. He had made such a big deal about going, and it ended in Complete Collapse. And his campaign never recovered.

32 posted on 11/07/2008 6:55:35 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: calcowgirl

You’re right! McCain’s biggest constituency is the media, and even they dropped him like a hot potato!


33 posted on 11/07/2008 6:56:18 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Voted proudly for GOVERNOR Palin for VP (but not so sad that RINO McCain lost)!)
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To: counterpunch

Agreed completely! And the McCain campaign muzzled Palin. Like being in a fist fight and having the do-gooders holding your hands behind your back so you can’t hit the bully back as they freely pummel you!


34 posted on 11/07/2008 6:56:45 PM PST by MtnClimber (O'bomber: fake messiah, fake religion, fake hope! I did not vote for THAT ONE!)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
The fact that Tom DeLay is NOT the most despised says much about what is wrong with the Republican Party.

Yep there you go.... Now exactly what is it you despise about Tom DeLay???

35 posted on 11/07/2008 6:57:38 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: rabscuttle385

btt


36 posted on 11/07/2008 6:59:30 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: CitizenUSA
Falwell and Hagey for starters after calling them agents of intolerance in 2000.

I will give him some brownie points for pretty much ignoring Dobson, but did find favor with Richard Land and some others.

37 posted on 11/07/2008 7:00:07 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: Just mythoughts
Unregisterd lobbyist for Chi-Com sweatshop owner on Marianas.

Unrepentant earmarker and junket-whore.

In bed with Abramoff, Norquist, and Ralph Reed.

38 posted on 11/07/2008 7:02:12 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
Face reality. George W Bush, for whom I voted twice, like his father, never gave a damn one way or the other about the future of the GOP or the nation. They are the elite and are above all that.

As a lifelong Republican I hope I never see another f*ing chickensh*t Bush on the ballot.

39 posted on 11/07/2008 7:02:20 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain never presented a coherent alternative vision.

He couldn't - his entire career was based on defusing the notion of principled conservatism - while he had a generally conservative voting record, he continually offered rhetorical cover for libs who held that conservatism needed dilution.

He was left without a strong leg to stand on, and ran his campaign in neutral, trying to simply occupy the center ground, but lacking a compelling argument for himself.

40 posted on 11/07/2008 7:04:15 PM PST by Monti Cello
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To: Michigan Bowhunter
Exactly.

The conservative base was supposed to be energized by someone who believes in global warming, refuses to drill ANWR, believes in the outrageous big-government concept of 'cap and trade', and of course his critical involvement in McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman, McCain-Kennedy, the Gang of 14, closing GITMO, amnesty, opposed the Bush tax cuts (citing the class envy/class warfare theme which he later tried to ignore), refused to use the name Hussein, refused to address the Rev. Wright issue, supported the bailout, provided little 'cover' for Sarah on the attacks on her and her family,,and just to top things off--considered switching parties to the democratic side and helped to slam the SwiftBoat heroes efforts against John Kerry only a few years ago.

Yep, a lot there to be energized about. /s Yes, I voted McCain--but only because he was the lesser of two evils, and because of Sarah. Never again.

41 posted on 11/07/2008 7:04:53 PM PST by stockstrader (At least Biden has tried to warn us of the dangers of an inexperienced and unqualified ticket)
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To: Michigan Bowhunter

I forgot his efforts to equate Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan with the religious right several years ago.


42 posted on 11/07/2008 7:06:47 PM PST by stockstrader (At least Biden has tried to warn us of the dangers of an inexperienced and unqualified ticket)
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To: hinckley buzzard

You put it in a straight forward manner. Congrats. I gave up on him when he let the agents rot.


43 posted on 11/07/2008 7:07:37 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: stockstrader

I stand corrected, he tried to equate Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.


44 posted on 11/07/2008 7:08:39 PM PST by stockstrader (At least Biden has tried to warn us of the dangers of an inexperienced and unqualified ticket)
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To: stockstrader

When you summarize it that way, I am surprised that he did not lose all 50 states. He was in my training squadron years ago (1965)...I thought he would have been better. All we know for sure is that the people of PA and Ohio need to be home schooled all over again. They have no idea what is happening. I think they should not be allowed to have football teams.


45 posted on 11/07/2008 7:11:59 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: rabscuttle385
Who's the most despised? Lindsey Graham? LOL.

LOL. I think if everyone put together their list of top 5, you'd see a lot of the same names. ;-)

Arnie would place pretty high on my list.

46 posted on 11/07/2008 7:13:00 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: joesbucks
Always said you need the moderates to win. McCain tried to run to the right and cozy up to the people he has always been least comfortable with. SoCons.

Turned the middle off big time.

You are so wrong. McCain did not run to the right. He could not articulate a clear conservative vision because he doesn't believe in one and staffed up with fellow Rockefeller, country-club, RINOs who hate the base. They consider the base uncouth and ignorant (i.e., not much different than Obama in SF). The treatment of Palin shows it.

Obama ran to the right of McCain, promising tax cuts, promising to protect the 2nd amendment, ignoring abortion, claiming magic solutions to health care problems, and generally lying his bleep off. He had the biggest funding advantage since Nixon v McGovern and a press more biased than any in the history of the Republic. Obama's party's opposition was headed by the least popular president since Hoover, in part because Bush is one of the least articulate presidents since Silent Cal (with the possible exception of his father - apparently it's in the DNA). Plus, the same president oversaw the biggest growth in government since Roosevelt. A Democrat created financial crisis was successfully pinned on the Republicans who tried to prevent it and for whatever reason were unable to point that out.

I could go on and on. If Nixon won by 20 points, Obama should have won by 25 or more. He was spotted 20 and still didn't cover the spread. Obama got 52%.

A competent, cogent, articulate conservative with a loyal, professional staff would have annihilated Obama. Even McCain, if he had an Atwater or Rove would have won.

This is not a defeat of conservatives. It's another failure of the RINOs. The coming wave of socialism is a direct result of RINO policies and ineptness.

NO MORE RINOS! EVER! THEY POISON THE PARTY AND COUNTRY.

47 posted on 11/07/2008 7:15:25 PM PST by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: rabscuttle385
John McCain underperformed Bush by six points among conservatives

So kicking your base voters to the curb wasn't a good idea?

Who knew!
/S

48 posted on 11/07/2008 7:15:43 PM PST by RJL
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To: Grunthor
I remember saying something along those lines on that horrible day.

Yep. I take no ownership for the thought--it was shared by many.

49 posted on 11/07/2008 7:16:20 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: joesbucks

LOL, Turned the middle off big time. LOL, ROFLOL, that is a good one, post such pearls often!


50 posted on 11/07/2008 7:16:50 PM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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