Skip to comments.Lowry: For Republican McCain, the center did not hold
Posted on 11/07/2008 6:28:12 PM PST by rabscuttle385
Republicans are consoling themselves by telling anyone who will listen that we still live in a "center-right country." They're right. That's the good news. The bad news is that they've lost the center.
According to exit polls, Barack Obama won moderates by a whopping 21 points on Tuesday, 60-39 percent. That more than doubled John Kerry's nine-point margin over George W. Bush among moderates in 2004.
The ideological composition of the electorate was remarkably unchanged from 2004. The percentage of self-identified conservatives and moderates -- the center-right -- held steady. Conservatives were 34 percent of voters and moderates 44 percent, with liberals the smallest slice of the electorate at 22 percent. John McCain underperformed Bush by six points among conservatives, but getting trounced in the country's great middle doomed him.
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I think it was McCain’s lack of attacks against clear targets and the mass media being in the tank for Obama.
Sounds true though, I am amazed at the people who pulled the lever for this empty suit, most because they were fed up with Bush.
Turned the middle off big time.
It sure was a good thing that we nominated a so-called 'moderate', INSTEAD OF A CONSERVATIVE,,,
because as so many said, even here, a moderate would be able to attract moderates and independents. /BPS (biggest possible sarcasm)
I Don’t trust Polls, they are inherently skewed.
Some people that can’t speak a lick of english or are underage may avoid them. Dead people Can’t respond, neither can Cats, dogs, and inanimate objects.
I know we were robbed of some swing states. The fix was in from the start.
Oh, and just in case people that belive the exit polls think I’m paranoid. Sometimes paranoid people are right, even if by accident.
No... McCain lost the center. In fact, he lost votes from the center, the right, independents, old, young... he just flat out lost across the board. Nominating one of the most despised Republicans as the presidential candidate was extraordinarily stupid. The election was lost the day McCain got the nomination, IMO.
Doesn’t sound like the PUMAs turned out in the numbers they assured us they would either.
McCain failed to attract moderates because he ran a crappy campaign and the financial crisis.
He was just too old to run. His mind was set in old dogmas and unresponsive. Just look at the debates. He attacks Obama, Obama lies to deflect. McCain doesn’t point out the lie. Rinse, wash, repeat. The lack of responsiveness on the campaign trail was the same.
He should’ve realized he had lost and campaigned in minnesota and other states to help downticket republicans. Instead, he idiotically tried to think he could still win without money and a message that yo-yo’ed around to whatever suited his old, addled mind.
I supported the guy, but his ability to run an organization was probably the worse of any candidate since Jimmy Carter.
Bush never had a group out there responding to the nonsense. He basically thought they could not damage him, and maybe he will emerge as a great president with history (although I have my doubts), but his lack of response ruined the party. You cannot have a standard bearer at 30% approval rating. Of course, he could have vetoed a few things and pardoned some border agents that could have improved his image, but no...he signed pretty much everything they put in front of him and left the agents to rot.
Who's the most despised? Lindsey Graham? LOL.
John McCain was never liked by the masses.....he is not a conservative and has done everything to push thorns under our fingernails for the past 20 years.
Good riddance Johnny.........you suck.
By the way john.....you never gave us anything to hold onto.
Guess what? We conservatives are glad to get rid of the “center.”
I want people standing next to me that I can trust with a gun. Everyone else can take a hike.
The fact that Tom DeLay is NOT the most despised says much about what is wrong with the Republican Party.
He lost because he is not a member of an opposition party, with the exception of the Iraq war.
“The election was lost the day McCain got the nomination, IMO.”
I remember saying something along those lines on that horrible day.
Bush was damn lucky to win 04, since he’s just not a conservative. Republicans have to stop running and governing from the middle. People get used to that and then can’t tell the difference for awhile when a democrat runs in the middle.. Until he governs left, then the damage is done for awhile.
At least some tried, but McCain just torked off too many people.
“According to exit poll..”
F&*$# the poll!
I just read an article that stated the PUMA’s did show up. It was too many conservatives that stayed home.
This article highlights the foolishness of letting moderates run the party. I mean, they are certainly welcome to vote Republican, but they shouldn’t be setting policy. I don’t know how we can purge these squishy RINOs, but purge them we must if we ever truly want to move the country to the right.
Conservatism requires belief in social conservatism, small government, and individual liberty. No one is truly conservative who demeans one of these three ideals at the expense of the others. All are required!
Show me someone who claims to be a fiscally conservative social liberal, and I’ll show you someone who holds mutually exclusive views. You cannot get fiscal conservatism in a nation that rejects social conservatism. Fiscal conservatism is only possible when the citizens discipline themselves to behave in moral ways.
By the same token, big government social conservatives are on a fool’s errand. Big government provides the safety net that encourages foolish and/or immoral behavior. Asking government to fix people’s souls is like asking an arsonist to put out a fire.
America is a "center" country but the pendulum swings between "Center-Right" and "Center-Left".
Let's face facts. George W. Bush was the "Far Less Than Great Communicator". The man never inspired the country. He never explained to the country why it was important not to lose the Iraq War. He never bothered to even defend himself in regards to Katrina and you never heard a single word about these from the White House.
Then, we also had a Republican Congress for 6 years spending money like a drunken sailor.
So, after eight years, the 60% of the country that is to the left of us conservatives was sick and tired of "Republicans", "Conservatives" and the horse we rode in on.
Thus, the country is now "Center-Left".
If Obama keeps his promises to the Left, he will take America down the toilet and, four years from now, America will then become "Center-Right".
If Obama breaks his promises to the Left and moves to the right, as Clinton did, things might not be so bad after four years and the country will then stay "Center-Left" for the time being.
Moderates finally exposed... It now makes total sense why lord McCain operatives are plotting the destruction of Sarah. None of them can admit the one who got the nomination via the supposed moderate vote then could not get them to elect him.
And once again it will be the moderate elitist who will jut out their all knowing jaws and point their accusing finger to the Sarah conservatives for making them vote Bama.
joesbucks: “McCain tried to run to the right and cozy up to the people he has always been least comfortable with.”
You’ll have to back that up with some examples!
McCain hardly ran to the right. The bailout? Buying up mortgages so deadbeats can stay in their homes? Promising to push for amnesty once the border is secure (or if Congress sends him the bill without a secure border)? What’s so conservative about that?
He arrived at the debate Friday night with nothing to say about the economic crisis: no position, no plan, nothing. Squat. He had made such a big deal about going, and it ended in Complete Collapse. And his campaign never recovered.
You’re right! McCain’s biggest constituency is the media, and even they dropped him like a hot potato!
Agreed completely! And the McCain campaign muzzled Palin. Like being in a fist fight and having the do-gooders holding your hands behind your back so you can’t hit the bully back as they freely pummel you!
Yep there you go.... Now exactly what is it you despise about Tom DeLay???
I will give him some brownie points for pretty much ignoring Dobson, but did find favor with Richard Land and some others.
Unrepentant earmarker and junket-whore.
In bed with Abramoff, Norquist, and Ralph Reed.
As a lifelong Republican I hope I never see another f*ing chickensh*t Bush on the ballot.
He couldn't - his entire career was based on defusing the notion of principled conservatism - while he had a generally conservative voting record, he continually offered rhetorical cover for libs who held that conservatism needed dilution.
He was left without a strong leg to stand on, and ran his campaign in neutral, trying to simply occupy the center ground, but lacking a compelling argument for himself.
The conservative base was supposed to be energized by someone who believes in global warming, refuses to drill ANWR, believes in the outrageous big-government concept of 'cap and trade', and of course his critical involvement in McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman, McCain-Kennedy, the Gang of 14, closing GITMO, amnesty, opposed the Bush tax cuts (citing the class envy/class warfare theme which he later tried to ignore), refused to use the name Hussein, refused to address the Rev. Wright issue, supported the bailout, provided little 'cover' for Sarah on the attacks on her and her family,,and just to top things off--considered switching parties to the democratic side and helped to slam the SwiftBoat heroes efforts against John Kerry only a few years ago.
Yep, a lot there to be energized about. /s Yes, I voted McCain--but only because he was the lesser of two evils, and because of Sarah. Never again.
I forgot his efforts to equate Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan with the religious right several years ago.
You put it in a straight forward manner. Congrats. I gave up on him when he let the agents rot.
I stand corrected, he tried to equate Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.
When you summarize it that way, I am surprised that he did not lose all 50 states. He was in my training squadron years ago (1965)...I thought he would have been better. All we know for sure is that the people of PA and Ohio need to be home schooled all over again. They have no idea what is happening. I think they should not be allowed to have football teams.
LOL. I think if everyone put together their list of top 5, you'd see a lot of the same names. ;-)
Arnie would place pretty high on my list.
Turned the middle off big time.
You are so wrong. McCain did not run to the right. He could not articulate a clear conservative vision because he doesn't believe in one and staffed up with fellow Rockefeller, country-club, RINOs who hate the base. They consider the base uncouth and ignorant (i.e., not much different than Obama in SF). The treatment of Palin shows it.
Obama ran to the right of McCain, promising tax cuts, promising to protect the 2nd amendment, ignoring abortion, claiming magic solutions to health care problems, and generally lying his bleep off. He had the biggest funding advantage since Nixon v McGovern and a press more biased than any in the history of the Republic. Obama's party's opposition was headed by the least popular president since Hoover, in part because Bush is one of the least articulate presidents since Silent Cal (with the possible exception of his father - apparently it's in the DNA). Plus, the same president oversaw the biggest growth in government since Roosevelt. A Democrat created financial crisis was successfully pinned on the Republicans who tried to prevent it and for whatever reason were unable to point that out.
I could go on and on. If Nixon won by 20 points, Obama should have won by 25 or more. He was spotted 20 and still didn't cover the spread. Obama got 52%.
A competent, cogent, articulate conservative with a loyal, professional staff would have annihilated Obama. Even McCain, if he had an Atwater or Rove would have won.
This is not a defeat of conservatives. It's another failure of the RINOs. The coming wave of socialism is a direct result of RINO policies and ineptness.
NO MORE RINOS! EVER! THEY POISON THE PARTY AND COUNTRY.
So kicking your base voters to the curb wasn't a good idea?
Yep. I take no ownership for the thought--it was shared by many.
LOL, Turned the middle off big time. LOL, ROFLOL, that is a good one, post such pearls often!