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Jim Jones' followers enthralled by his skills as a speaker
CNN.com ^ | 11/13/2008 | CNN

Posted on 11/13/2008 10:56:48 AM PST by autumnraine

The key to understanding the tragedy that was Jonestown lies in the oratory skills of the Peoples Temple founder, Jim Jones.

"He was very charismatic," Leslie Wagner-Wilson, a Jonestown survivor, says of the Rev. Jim Jones.

With the cadence and fervor of a Baptist preacher, the charm and folksiness of a country storyteller and the zeal and fury of a maniacal dictator, Jones exhorted his followers to a fever pitch, audiotapes recovered from Jonestown reveal.

As he spoke, they applauded, shouted, cheered. One follower who survived the "revolutionary suicide" at Jonestown on November 18, 1978, said that Jones was the most dynamic speaker he had ever heard.

Like all powerful speakers, Jones' greatest asset was his ability to determine what listeners wanted to hear and give it to them in simple language that appealed to them on an almost instinctual level.

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KEYWORDS: anniversary; cult; jimjones; jonestown
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Does this sound familiar?
1 posted on 11/13/2008 10:56:48 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine

The money quote:

“He could quote scripture and turn around and preach socialism,” she said. “He appealed to anyone on any level at any time.”


2 posted on 11/13/2008 10:57:38 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: autumnraine

...and a gracious guest host, too..............;^\


3 posted on 11/13/2008 10:58:55 AM PST by Red Badger (Hey! Look on the bright side! At least Joe Biden is out of the Senate!..........)
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To: autumnraine

That cadence-Were have I heard that recently-thinking.....


4 posted on 11/13/2008 10:59:24 AM PST by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: autumnraine

And the dems are drinking the kool-aid.


5 posted on 11/13/2008 10:59:26 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: autumnraine

I’ve never thought that Obama was a great speaker, and his lately acquired, phony, homeboy accent was annoying and insulting, as it should have been to African-Americans.


6 posted on 11/13/2008 10:59:27 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: autumnraine

Is there any doubt CNN may have lost their seat on the Obama plane if they ran this story 2 weeks ago? Why now? Good timing CNN.


8 posted on 11/13/2008 11:01:44 AM PST by trubolotta
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To: autumnraine
Does this sound familiar?

No. Why?

9 posted on 11/13/2008 11:02:08 AM PST by null and void (Hypothetically speaking, how do you make Molotov Cocktails when everything comes in plastic bottles?)
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To: Morgana

You forgot that many white people voted for Obama because they “thought it was great to have a black (mullatto) man as President...

young people think he is “cool”.


10 posted on 11/13/2008 11:02:18 AM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: Daveinyork

“I’ve never thought that Obama was a great speaker....”

unless you think stilted, halting and leaden are positive adjectives


11 posted on 11/13/2008 11:03:03 AM PST by thesetruths
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To: autumnraine

The thing I don’t get is why people think Obama is a good speaker. I suppose he’s average at reading the teleprompter, but he sounds totally clueless when he’s speaking off the cuff. Why do people always say he’s a great speaker?


12 posted on 11/13/2008 11:03:07 AM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname (Obama has a bracelet, too!)
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To: autumnraine

Hitler was a great orator.
Watch film of him firing up the troops or brown shirts and the folks went wild.
And a whole lot more folks got themselves killed listening to him.


13 posted on 11/13/2008 11:03:31 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
Why do people always say he’s a great speaker?

Simple. Because you always have to find everything that he does is great.

14 posted on 11/13/2008 11:04:27 AM PST by Bahbah (Typical white person-Snow white)
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To: autumnraine
“He could quote scripture and turn around and preach socialism,” she said. “He appealed to anyone on any level at any time.”

Hey, it's Barry O! Except that he's never appealed to me.
15 posted on 11/13/2008 11:04:54 AM PST by aruanan
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To: LottieDah
young people think he is “cool”.

Not the young people I have spoken to. They apparently can see right thru him. Most think he's a fraud..................

16 posted on 11/13/2008 11:04:58 AM PST by Red Badger (Hey! Look on the bright side! At least Joe Biden is out of the Senate!..........)
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To: Morgana

“there I said it.”

You’re right, but that’s not the whole story. If that’s all it took, Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton would have been president already.

Obama has spent a lifetime studying whites like a tiger studies prey. Obama learned how to package himself to appeal to a broad range of people. And, when Obama reads a prompter, he is a very good speaker, and does have that preacher cadence.

That is what put him over the top. But yes, most of those who voted for him did so with the reasons you list at the forefront.


17 posted on 11/13/2008 11:05:50 AM PST by brownsfan (We are sooooo screwed.)
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To: Morgana
there I said it.

Feel better?

I love the sound of "TRUTH". It's like a well tuned vintage violin in the hands of a virtuoso.
18 posted on 11/13/2008 11:05:56 AM PST by Sopater (I'm so sick of atheists shoving their religion in my face.)
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To: Morgana

Wow! If you read the article, you would find that every reason you have given they voted for Obama is the reason that they went with Jim Jones.

Seriously, read it.


19 posted on 11/13/2008 11:06:15 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: autumnraine

I recently saw a special on the History Channel on cults, with special mention for Jim Jones. I was shocked beyond belief that they admitted his dictatorship arose out of his socialistic ideals! The other striking thing I noted is that all these charismatic cult leaders shared many historical commonalities with Obama: Manson, Jones, Hitler, and Koresh (I believe), all had absent or abusive fathers and nearly all had absent mothers. It was more than a little creepy to watch. And the section on Jonestown was simply heartbreaking!


20 posted on 11/13/2008 11:06:33 AM PST by alwaysconservative (First, they took away our freedom of speech. . .)
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To: autumnraine

Great post


22 posted on 11/13/2008 11:07:44 AM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: autumnraine

I recently saw a special on the History Channel on cults, with special mention for Jim Jones. I was shocked beyond belief that they admitted his dictatorship arose out of his socialistic ideals! The other striking thing I noted is that all these charismatic cult leaders shared many historical commonalities with Obama: Manson, Jones, Hitler, and Koresh (I believe), all had absent or abusive fathers and nearly all had absent mothers. It was more than a little creepy to watch. And the section on Jonestown was simply heartbreaking!


23 posted on 11/13/2008 11:08:03 AM PST by alwaysconservative (First, they took away our freedom of speech. . .)
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To: autumnraine

Can You Imagine the poor Cool aid salesman the company expected him to meet that same sales quota the next year and he couldn’t make it and lost his JOB!!


24 posted on 11/13/2008 11:09:05 AM PST by philly-d-kidder (The Phillies Parade was awesome!! Did I tell you Phillies are world champions!)
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To: autumnraine

Can You Imagine the poor Cool aid salesman the company expected him to meet that same sales quota the next year and he couldn’t make it and lost his JOB!!


25 posted on 11/13/2008 11:09:09 AM PST by philly-d-kidder (The Phillies Parade was awesome!! Did I tell you Phillies are world champions!)
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To: Red Badger
Not the young people I have spoken to. They apparently can see right thru him

The ones you know are the minority because it's the young people along with the blacks that sent Hussein over the top.

26 posted on 11/13/2008 11:09:09 AM PST by what's up
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To: autumnraine

Somewhere I have a Nation Of Islam newspaper and Elizah Muhammad (now dead) is on the cover with Jim Jones praising the work of Jones in the poor communites.


27 posted on 11/13/2008 11:09:29 AM PST by Moby Grape (Formerly Impeach the Boy...name change necessary after the Marxist won)
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To: trubolotta

The timing and subject matter is very interesting.

I’ll guess that CNN/Soledad o’brien are more interested to programming the audience that there is NO resemblance to Jim Jones and any one from the modern era. She is a big rev. wright/obama supporter.


28 posted on 11/13/2008 11:10:04 AM PST by Doug TX
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To: Red Badger
Not the young people I have spoken to. They apparently can see right thru him

The ones you know are the minority; it's the young people along with the blacks that sent Hussein over the top.

29 posted on 11/13/2008 11:11:20 AM PST by what's up
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To: autumnraine
There was a Star Trek episode about a guy like this.
30 posted on 11/13/2008 11:12:40 AM PST by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: Red Badger
Not the young people I have spoken to. They apparently can see right thru him

The ones you know are the minority; it's the young people along with the blacks that sent Hussein over the top

31 posted on 11/13/2008 11:14:23 AM PST by what's up
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To: autumnraine

Beware....


32 posted on 11/13/2008 11:16:26 AM PST by Dallas59 (Redistribute Obamas Wealth)
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To: autumnraine

33 posted on 11/13/2008 11:17:15 AM PST by Dumpster Baby (Every living slave should be paid reparations by every living slave owner.)
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To: autumnraine

You know what is really strange.....I was just talking about this whole Jim Jones thing to my 14 year old son - we really do have to look to history to remind ourselves, and educate the younger generation. Lord knows, the schools won’t.

This was from CNN?


34 posted on 11/13/2008 11:18:43 AM PST by okgomac (I need a new screen name)
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To: autumnraine

35 posted on 11/13/2008 11:19:17 AM PST by Dumpster Baby (Every living slave should be paid reparations by every living slave owner.)
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To: Dr. Ursus

A few weeks ago, Rush was talking about this. Henoted that there was always a reverb from the sound system. I remember reading about Jim Jones and he had a similar reverb when he bloviated. In the article, it said that the reverb had am effect on certain portions of the brain whereas if you listened to his droning long enough, one would become “hypnotized” or “brain-conditioned” and easier to control. While I am no doctor, the end result speaks for itself. Look what happened in Jonestown.

Adolph Hitler had the reverb in his emotings. Look at what happened in Nazi Germany.

The Messiah does seem to use that reverb in his speeches. And as I said, the results speak for themselves. The USA is is BIG trouble because of him. I’m not saying that he will lead a lot of people to drink the Kool-Aid and die like Jones did. I am saying that The 0ne is dangerous. How stupid could the voting public be to elect this clown?


36 posted on 11/13/2008 11:19:30 AM PST by NCC-1701 (DRILL NOW. DRILL OFTEN. DRILL 24/7/365. PAY LESS. SUCK THE GROUND DRY.)
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
The thing I don’t get is why people think Obama is a good speaker.

He reminds me of a tee shirt I used to have.

I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO SLING A
LITTLE BULL NOW AND THEN
BUT OCCASIONALLY - I LIKE
TO LISTEN TO A REAL PRO

PLEASE CARRY ON!

37 posted on 11/13/2008 11:19:30 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Tag line changed to prevent being sent to an indoctrination camp.)
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To: autumnraine

I am NOT drinking the koolaid and that’s that!


38 posted on 11/13/2008 11:20:03 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
The thing I don’t get is why people think Obama is a good speaker.

He reminds me of a tee shirt I used to have.

I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO SLING A
LITTLE BULL NOW AND THEN
BUT OCCASIONALLY - I LIKE
TO LISTEN TO A REAL PRO

PLEASE CARRY ON!

39 posted on 11/13/2008 11:21:07 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Tag line changed to prevent being sent to an indoctrination camp.)
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To: autumnraine
What's always ticked me off about any discussions of Jim Jones' People's Temple is that it's almost never mentioned that they were a bunch of extreme Red leftists from San Francisco who followed that kook down to Guyana.

They're always portrayed as just members of some church. Their ideology was political, not theological.

The other thing about them that ticks off the Kraft Food Company to this day is that they didn't drink poisoned Kool-Aid®, instead it was Wyler's 'Flavor-Ade®' from a UK distributor.

40 posted on 11/13/2008 11:23:31 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: autumnraine

Have a read at http://nextpresidentofusa.com/obamathenewjimjones.html.


41 posted on 11/13/2008 11:24:30 AM PST by sarasota
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To: LottieDah

Move the voting age to 35 except for military.


42 posted on 11/13/2008 11:25:25 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: autumnraine

Jim Jones preached exactly the same stuff as Jeremiah Wright. Exactly the same.

I did a lot of construction work in the ghetto in San Francisco during the People’s Temple era. After the Jonestown holocaust the Black people there were in shock. Everybody knew or was related to a koolaid drinker. When they auctioned off what was left the Temple was opened to the public and I went and poked around. Chilling stuff backstage.


43 posted on 11/13/2008 11:25:38 AM PST by Argus (Stuff Compassionate and Maverick - just try plain old CONSERVATISM again)
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To: autumnraine

Jim Jones preached exactly the same stuff as Jeremiah Wright. Exactly the same.

I did a lot of construction work in the ghetto in San Francisco during the People’s Temple era. After the Jonestown holocaust the Black people there were in shock. Everybody knew or was related to a koolaid drinker. When they auctioned off what was left the Temple was opened to the public and I went and poked around. Chilling stuff backstage.


44 posted on 11/13/2008 11:25:58 AM PST by Argus (Stuff Compassionate and Maverick - just try plain old CONSERVATISM again)
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To: autumnraine

Have a read at http://nextpresidentofusa.com/obamathenewjimjones.html.


45 posted on 11/13/2008 11:26:17 AM PST by sarasota
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To: autumnraine
People say this about Jim Jones all the time.

However, 99% of the people who ever heard him speak never bothered with him again.

He never had more than 3,000 followers at any one time, and about 500-1000 of them were children who were there because of their parents, not because of his eloquence.

He convinced about 500-600 adults to follow him to Guiana, of whom as many as 200 began questioning his motives and behavior.

Far from having a general and mesmerizing appeal to the population as a whole, it is clear that his rhetoric really only worked on emotionally disturbed individuals.

46 posted on 11/13/2008 11:26:34 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Morgana

You left out the part about hating this country and all She stood for.


47 posted on 11/13/2008 11:26:47 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: autumnraine
Do a search on Dr. Milton Erickson, M.D and Conversational Hypnosis.

I believe the technique was scripted into DUH 1's speeches, which is why he faltered so badly when off script (not on the teleprompter).

48 posted on 11/13/2008 11:27:14 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: autumnraine
"Does this sound familiar?"

Yeah, Adolph Hitler, Bill Clinton and Barrak Obama.

49 posted on 11/13/2008 11:27:43 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
Maybe because we were all raised with the saying, "if you can't say anything nice..."

Ergo, you can't say anything nice about his "spread the wealth," policies, his infanticide policies, his appeasement policies, his flip-flip-flip-flop foreign policies (e.g., depends on his audience), his Civilian national force policy...

So, you compliment him on his public speaking.

Failure to worship Obama is not racist. Let's not confuse racism with Commie-phobia.

50 posted on 11/13/2008 11:29:37 AM PST by elk
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