Posted on 11/13/2008 10:56:48 AM PST by autumnraine
1920s Berlin was one of the cultural capitals of the world.
Depending on your taste in culture, cultural definitions differ. Things went on in Berlin that would fit right in today’s San Francisco. In regards to ‘art’, well, that’s a whole ‘nother kettle of fish (or fishwrap).
“My burning question came years later: “Who really wanted Straight Martha Stewart Threatened and Punished and under what ruse?”.
Maybe one day I’ll get to learn more about that. “
I don’t follow you....how was Martha Stewart involved with alienating homosexuals?
Everything else you say is plausible. Homosexuals are the wealthiest group that I know of to claim they are being “discriminated” against. Not surprised about the real estate deals. Add to that those in civil unions have two working partners with none of the expense of raising children. When its convenient, they want to be recognized as outside the “constraints” of tradition. Yet they want the benefits of traditional marriage. It violates standards of morality and natural law, IMO.
Superb point; succinctly made.
Thanks. Your last sentence said it all. See my post #138 above re: “discernment.”
I'm falling behind on the posts here... But I just watched the CNN report on Jonestown. I remember the news of the Jonestown massacre when I was a young teen. As I watched the story by CNN, all I could think was: There was the "charismatic" Jim Jones and Co. creating the "perfect utopia" and even praising socialism in song. Now the whole country just bought it. No one had to be tricked into moving to a remote area this time.
I hope I'm wrong.
There’s a lot of “Inconvienent Truths” about this era in San Francisco history. The Bay Area media will never admit to how this madman could have been stopped in 1972, had Jones and his followers not pressured the S.F. Examiner to stop an expose, after only four of the eight stories ran. There’s a new movie coming out about Harvey Milk. Guess what has been left out? His ties to Jim Jones and how Milk (like George Moscone) owed his election to Jones followers, many suspect by fraudulent voters (think ACORN).
Today, Jonestown has those who say “hey it wasn’t a bad place,” namely a sister of temple members Annie & Carolyn Moore who runs a website called Alternative History of Jonestown & Peoples Temple. All they focus on is the racial equality/social justice aspect and that it was a great experiment just gone wrong.
Darned right you are about the connections between Milk, Moscone and Jimmie Jones/emple. And again, factual again, about how the truth about what and how the "seige" of hate went down in the San Francisco of yore, was censored in the press.
The "twinkie" defense -- the how and why this happened may one day be permitted airing. I was in downtown SF after the murders: I've never seen more immediate organization. Silk-printed armbands. Everywhere. And within mere hours after the murders. It was at this juncture, that I fully cognized and grokked the meaning of: "We had to destroy the village in order to save it". Really, what's a few dead leftist heroes matter when the future of anti-Americanism is at stake.
SF was being destroyed by the very "saviors" claiming to wish to save it, to be for the "people".
sister of temple members Annie & Carolyn Moore who runs a website called Alternative History of Jonestown & Peoples Temple. All they focus on is the racial equality/social justice aspect and that it was a great experiment just gone wrong.
What miserly, lost souls are they who run that site. What they are really saying is: What's 900+ dead people matter when the future of anti-Americanism is at stake.
I was there. Media investigation into what was not only obvious vote fraud, but the fact that these organizations encouraging such fraud were OUT OF THE CLOSET OPEN ABOUT HOW they did it, was censored. It was absolutely NO SECRET in San Francisco about the vote fraud. No secret. The rest of us were to simply shut up, or be um.. "tampered with".
My boss discouraged us from even speaking about this election in the office. And the various companies I worked with began their plans to get out of San Francisco. And they did. They moved their headquarters either within the state or out of the state.
San Francisco elite laughed at them, openly. My respect for Herb Caen, for example, dropped very immediately at this period of time. He knew it had happened; but he'd much rather drink his fine wines at the tony locales in SF, and wax on about the beauty of Bagdad-by-the-Bay while collecting his free meals and nifty speaker's fees, and .. Well.
And the local hot spots changed their decor from Ferns to wine-and-brie.
Harvey Milk and his followers were rank and wicked Stalinists.
November 18, 1978: Leo Ryan and others gunned down, 900+ dead in Guyana.
November 27, 1978, Milk and Moscone murdered in San Francisco.
And this is how the left learned they could get away it. All.
Dude (or Dudette)
After reading some of your posts, I have one question:
Where do I sign up for “The Alia Marching Band and Chowder Society”?
Bring the pepper, will you pls?
Just as 9-11 woke some people up; what went down in San Francisco, and then Guyana was my wake-up call. In a huge way. I was devastated; shook to the very roots of my soul at the corruption of all which lay beneath that massacre.
Wiki snips: Up to $65,000 in monthly welfare payments from government organizations in the United States to Jonestown residents were signed over to the Temple.
The fiery rallies took an almost surreal tone as Angela Davis and Huey Newton communicated via radio-telephone to the Jonestown crowd, urging them to hold strong against the "conspiracy."
One day later, on Sunday February 19, 1978, Harvey Milk wrote a letter of support for the Peoples Temple to President Jimmy Carter.[78] Milk wrote that Jones was known "as a man of the highest character".[78] Regarding defecting Temple members pressing for an investigation of the Peoples Temple, Milk wrote "they are attempting to damage Rev. Jones' reputation" with "apparent bold-faced lies".[78]
On November 1, 1978, Congressman Leo Ryan, who represented a district in Northern California, announced that he would visit Jonestown.[86] Ryan was friends with the father of Bob Houston, whose mutilated body was found near train tracks on October 5, 1976, three days after a taped telephone conversation with Houston's ex-wife in which leaving the Temple was discussed.[87]
The group included Ryan, his legal advisor Jackie Speier (now a Congresswoman), Neville Annibourne (representing Guyana's Ministry of Information) Richard Dwyer (Deputy Chief of Mission of the US Embassy to Guyana), Tim Reiterman (San Francisco Examiner reporter), Don Harris (NBC reporter), Greg Robinson (San Francisco Examiner photographer), Steve Sung (NBC sound man), Bob Flick (NBC producer), Charles Krause (Washington Post reporter), Ron Javers (San Francisco Chronicle reporter), Bob Brown (NBC camera man), and Concerned Relatives representatives, including Tim and Grace Stoen, Steve and Anthony Katsaris, Beverly Oliver, Jim Cobb, Sherwin Harris, and Carolyn Houston Boyd.[89]
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And this:
...The Bay Area was also where Jones' madness could have been stopped. Two reporters, Carolyn Pickering of the Indianapolis Star and Lester Kinsolving, then a religion writer at the then Hearst-owned San Francisco Examiner, tried to expose Jones in 1972. Kinsolving's eight-piece series was killed by the Examiner after four articles, due to pickets and threats of lawsuits from the Temple.
In 1998, the 20th anniversary of the Jonestown massacre, Kinsolving's daughter, Kathleen, co-authored Madman in our Midst--Jim Jones & The California Cover-up, with her brother Tom. She also wrote the following piece, after meeting with then Examiner Executive Editor Phil Bronstein, who stated he wanted to give her "a voice." The fact that Bronstein never allowed this article to run will forever be an indictment of the San Francisco Hearst Newspapers and their on-going refusal to own up to their journalistic cowardice in 1972...
Oh yes, I do. I remember that Jimmie Jones offered his followers: Hope. Change.
I heard that MSNBC's recent two hour show on Jonestown tried to make Jonestown appear better than it really was. I did not see it or even know of it.
Willie Brown, former mayor of San Francisco, was a big defender of Jim Jones even after the murder/suicides.
Tim Reiterman is the journalist with the red shirt sitting at the table interviewing Jones.
Jones represented "social justice".
And what do Democrats stand for? Social Justice.
This is footage wherein "sucided by Kool-Aid" was given legs.
Jimmie Jones: Just before he gave the order to Kool-Aid over 900+ humans is on video saying: "We have been betrayed. We have been betrayed."
Yes, Jimmie Jones -- you and your followers were set up, used, and betrayed. And those who did this moved in like locusts all around the SF Bay Area. Their seige went big after Guyana.
They and their media pals are now in charge of the highest office in our country. Dianne Feinstein sitting on Intel Boards?
Yes.. Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it. Di-Fi provided the briefing telling of the murders of Moscone/Milk. Yes. She did.
To understand the connections between Moscone, Milk, Dan White, and Jimmie Jones.. one needs to dig into what the above were involved with doing to Dan White.
Willie Brown, Angela Davis, Huey Newton — all endorsed, encouraged, aided and abetted Jimmie Jones. He was their tool for “Social Justice”.
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