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Looking Beyond the M4 Carbine
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| November 15, 2008
| Matthew Cox
Posted on 11/15/2008 8:29:49 AM PST by re_tail20
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
That firearm looks like 3 main rifles had a love child.
How the third got in there, I don’t want to know...
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posted on
11/15/2008 12:10:50 PM PST
by
wastedyears
(Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
To: aWolverine
I’ll take an HK416 myself.
82
posted on
11/15/2008 12:12:12 PM PST
by
wastedyears
(Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
To: Spktyr
Thanks for the posts and the links. Very interesting.
83
posted on
11/15/2008 12:13:19 PM PST
by
IrishCatholic
(No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
To: re_tail20
To: re_tail20
Forget it. The military will be lucky not to have their projectiles made from nerf foam.
85
posted on
11/15/2008 12:57:33 PM PST
by
Shooter 2.5
(NRA - Vote against the dem party)
To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
Hahahahahaha
I’ve played Halo 3 enough to know those are Covenant arms.
86
posted on
11/15/2008 2:04:15 PM PST
by
wastedyears
(Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
To: re_tail20
I look beyond my M4 whenever I line up the sights on a target.
87
posted on
11/15/2008 2:42:45 PM PST
by
P8riot
(I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
To: Perdogg
I think 7.62mm is overkill in close quarters combat situation. There is no such thing as 'overkill' in a combat situation.
L
88
posted on
11/15/2008 3:18:39 PM PST
by
Lurker
("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
To: NTHockey
Yea but it’s a wet heat!!! ;-)
89
posted on
11/15/2008 3:33:41 PM PST
by
mad_as_he$$
(Nemo me impune lacessit.)
To: wastedyears
That firearm looks like 3 main rifles had a love child.Ha ha! Yah, it's a little funky looking I'll grant you that.
The upper receiver looks weird because they cut off the M-16/AR-15 carrying handle, but kept the M-16/AR-15 rear sight and put on a ringed front sight. Since it uses an AK-47 gas system with piston and telescopic recoil spring, they were able to incorporate the FN-FAL folding stock. They cut down the buttstock to give access to the charging handle and mag release when it's folded. So, the weird look is a form follows function thing.
Once you get past all that and shoot it, you realize what a great .22 rifle it really is. IMO, head and shoulders above an AR-15.
As I understand it, Daewoo had the license to manufacture the M-16 for the ROK Army. When the license ran out, they took what they consider the best of three rifle systems (M-16, AK-47 & FN-FAL) and put them together to make the K2.
The K1 was based upon the Armalite AR-18 gas system, so it's a horse of an entirely different color and a piece of junk when compared to the K2.
Like I say, it's robust, reliable and accurate. It's like the Energizer Bunny. It keeps going, and going, and going...
90
posted on
11/15/2008 3:42:50 PM PST
by
Ol' Dan Tucker
(While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
To: wastedyears
How the third got in there, I dont want to know...Here's what it looks like with the buttstock folded.
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posted on
11/15/2008 3:46:50 PM PST
by
Ol' Dan Tucker
(While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
You can still buy the M1A which is the same as the M14. pricey though
92
posted on
11/15/2008 3:58:49 PM PST
by
white17x
To: re_tail20
To: Ol' Dan Tucker
That’s looks like 5.56 NATO, not .22 to me.
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posted on
11/15/2008 9:07:45 PM PST
by
wastedyears
(Every FReeper is on Obama's Black List. He will try to have us all "taken care of." Mark my words)
To: re_tail20
The ‘long carbine’, aka M-14, was the best. Try it in something around 7mm and maybe in the ‘Socom’ configuration.
I variously carried an M16, Car15, M79, Thompson SMG, and M3 ‘Grease Gun’ and none of them worked as well as the M14.
As for uncontrollability on full-auto, incorporate a three round burst feature ala the M4.
The M14 was also the easiest to keep clean in the field.
95
posted on
11/15/2008 9:37:47 PM PST
by
x1stcav
(11/05/2008: the day the Resistance began.)
To: mad_as_he$$
Have you checked out RBCD ammo? It's expensive but the 45acp travels
at 2036fps/828flbs with 90 grains. The TPD 45 ammo does 2375+fps/1002+ flbs using 80 grains.
96
posted on
11/15/2008 10:13:50 PM PST
by
MaxMax
(I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
To: IrishCatholic
I don’t know if it is true or not but have read that the main drawback to caseless ammor is heat. The brass (or whatever it happens to be made of) cools the chamber when first inserted, then removes a lot of heat when it is fired and ejected.
the propellant in a caseless cartridge, simply adds heat and it builds so rapidly that the cartridges are capable of cooking off. A cooling system would add bulk and weight as well as something else to tear up.
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posted on
11/15/2008 10:16:56 PM PST
by
yarddog
To: MaxMax
I have a buddy that likes it. I try to keep the slug 185 or bigger just because I am that way!!
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posted on
11/16/2008 7:27:14 AM PST
by
mad_as_he$$
(Nemo me impune lacessit.)
To: Perdogg
I think 7.62mm is overkill in close quarters combat situation. Take it from me, NOTHING is overkill in a close quarter combat situation!
99
posted on
11/16/2008 7:31:17 AM PST
by
RetiredArmy
(America is entering four very long and cold years. First victim: liberty)
To: mad_as_he$$
My AR 15 is locked and loaded and ready.
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posted on
11/16/2008 7:33:16 AM PST
by
RetiredArmy
(America is entering four very long and cold years. First victim: liberty)
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