Posted on 11/15/2008 7:31:26 PM PST by Libloather
As for where we are now, The Republican Base abandoning GWB like it did (right or wrong on a specific issues) is what led to this. In doing so the base allowed the MSM to completely trash the GOP brand image (via push polls and constant attacks of the "R" President). In the this age of 24/7 news cycles this gave the MSM all it needed which they ran with constantly. This had a large effect on indy's and moderates, pushing them away from the "R" brand altogether. And reality is when it comes to immigration GWB was likely right strategically (for the need for the GOP to be seen as part of a real solution within the Hispanic community) but the WH was wrong tactically about how to go about it (border issues should have been offered up / implemented first). Our base, while right tactically then through away our strategic needs because they did not support the tactical actions of the WH on the issue. Sad.
And lets get off "GWB isn't a real conservative / Republican" - One could say the same thing (make the same associated lists) with regard to R. Reagan to suggest he was not a Republican (SDO on SCOUTs, tax raises of 86, further expansion of failed Soc. Sec and FICA tax increases, Full Amnesty with no requirements whatsoever when the problem was at a much more manageable level to address fully, cutting and running from Beirut, etc, etc). Reality is however, both R. Reagan and GWB were/are d*mn fine men and did without question what they thought was best for this Nation, not from the politically, they were leaders and both made the world & more importantly the United States safer because of their leadership.
HOw did Frankin vote against anything again ? ????
he was never in office.
Troll ,Buzz back to the DU.
so your happy about that ?
Excuse me, but the Democrats in the Senate will decide who actually wins. Article I Section 5 of the US Constitution:
“Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members,...”
The Democrats will probably get their 60. Remember, for Democrats “fair” means getting their own way. Kind of like “Mir” for the Soviet Communists (peace) meant a Communist state.
Wouldn’t it be cool if they got their 60 and then Lieberman switched?
Be ready for anything. Democrats don’t let anything get in the way of grabbing more power. Republicans should do what they can while Obama is busy buying ipods for his loyal zombies.
The bailout was right in the prime election window so Frankin took the position against the bailout, while Coleman was one of those who voted for it. I am not at all saying that I support Frankin or that he was anything but cynical, What I am saying, as I did in my warning post below, that this Bill pushed by GWB, swallowed by McCain, hurt republicans on election day (helped democrats) and gives democrats the PR that republicans are socialists for the rich, and that any giveaway they propose is moral, and republicans that oppose them are hypocrites defending only the rich. I am thinking this is the worse thing GWB did to us, although I have a huge list.
Why Republicans supporting democrat's investor bailout bill is political suicide October 1, 2008
So much of what has happened with this election made it seem like people on both sides were trying to throw it to the Democrats. In 1992 and 1996, I believed, and still believe, that Perot ran strictly to keep Bush from a second term and to give the election to Clinton. This year, it seems like the whole Republican party hierarchy was working for Obama.
You have to be kidding. It was GWB BETRAYING conservatism that made Obama’s talking points about being a moderate and cutting taxes and tracking down Bin Laden sound not so bad to the rest of the country.
My list refined :
1) promising the war would pay for itself(Cheney), and yes he DID scare democrats and republicans into voting for it. But it was HIS invasion, he said to world “TRUST ME”, Only a few hardcore delusional believers now think he was forced to invade immediately, and they cant win elections.
2) Claiming we were winning Iraq 2005-2006 and magically finding out after midterms 2006 we were really losing, when even FNC was reporting we were losing. Then demanding the money and troops we needed back in 2004. This probably killed GWB more than anything with voters.
3) Selling out on energy 2006, no drilling, ethanol instead, same with no child left behind, no vouchers, prescription drug give-away bankrupting medicaid(that's three)
4) Largest government and deficit in American history (we stand for what?)
5) Illegal amnesty bill including SS benefits for illegals (you too McCain), forcing rest of party to oppose him, prosecuting Border patrol agents and giving illegal drug dealers immunity to testify against them.
6) Driving down the dollar to stimulate HIS economic boom, not realizing the resulting inflation would kill it (DUHH, 1970s anyone?)
7) Almost forgot setting up Scooter Libby by forcing white house staff to sign waivers to protected press sources leading to members of press thrown in jail, forced to rat on Scooter, when Bush/Cheney themselves used executive powers to avoid any charges themselves(Scooter did not leak the name, you ever hear GWB say who did ?). He gave MSNBC a daily show theme for a year. Did you see justice department throwing press members in jail for CIA leaks, or for Secret prison classified leaks? No, only one case of this power , against Scooter.
8) Financial bailout bill, twisting R party arms to sign a piece of crap that made things worse and lost seats in congress and probably McCain's election too (McCain was tied to Bush after this and went down with him. He ended capitalism with this one.
9) Lastly, Pelosi/Obama, Reid, his final legacy. I will think of GWB every time they do something I don't like, WHICH IS EVERYTHING!
Yes, he did some things I liked, Alito and Roberts being my favorite, but so much crap. Complete destruction of party. Term ‘conservative’ is considered an ‘insult’.
FROM NATIONAL REVIEW (DO YOU NEED MORE REFERENCES??)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2129377/posts?page=17#17
RE : instability in the stock market was the direct result of Bush coming out a few weeks before the election and declaring the end of the economy without a 900 Billion bailout.
EXACTLY! Of course there is NO conumer confidence after he did this(thanks for reminding me) . He made investor confidence dependent on endless bailouts
The Somali terrorist community in Minnesota went whole hog for Franken—neither his Jewsihness nor his wild immoral positions meant anything to them.
Muslim goals need a useful fool.
You have no idea about the WOT/Iraq to suggest such (and citing FNC is meaningless). You clearly know nothing about FID nor COIN as it was because of our actions / OP tempos of 05/06 that allowed for the success we see in Iraq today, to happen. The "surge" did not bring success to Iraq, it was simply great timing in filling the vacuum that was created because of our actions of 05/06 (destroying AQ and their mimics within Iraq, along with the containing of JAM).
That void was going to be filled by some source. The "Surge" was exactly what was needed to fill it. But the only reason that void existed was because of our successes of 05/06. But those with no Mil-experience and further who were never there on the ground don't understand this reality (especially news sources).
If Franken accompanies BO to DC, we will have Caligula AND his horse.
(Apologies to horses.)
“Coleman voted for bailout, Frankin against”
Uh, Franken can’t vote against anything.
“How about McCain?”
It’ll never make any sense to me why McCain didn’t retire from the Senate when he launched his presidential run. He had to know that in the event that he lost he’d be at best a snoozing J.Q. Adams. Better to let some new blood in, for the good of the party, I say. Unless, that is, McCain always planned on “reaching across the aisle” and betraying his party, thereby redeeming his reputation in the MSM. My best guess is that McCain plans to betray whatever vestiges of conservatism remain in the Republican party, as often as possbile.
They had 49 seats before plus two who caucused with them. They picked up six, will probably pick up Alaska and may pick up Minnesota. Georigia is a stretch, it would require a big Democratic turnout and a low Republican one.
Someone else asked me that. I was quick in typing.see 28
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2132892/posts?page=28#28
I am not going to argue with you on winning/losing since I was not there. But how could he decide we need all this addition troops and money, only immediately after the 2006 election? Rumsfield kept a big lie and GWB listened to no one else, not even FNC that was sympathetic to him?
But the public perception, and not just from NBC, but also FNC, was what I said. It is a totally rational conclusion. And it destroyed GWB and our party. Claiming PR does not matter means what we have now, Obama Pelosi.
Although I must admit this 900B bailout just before this election is definitely close. This guy really must hate republicans, or is a Dr Smith.
You (like many in the MSM) don't seem to understand the war in Iraq and what was and wasn't happening (and in what time frames). There were more troops in Iraq (numerous times) that equaled larger numbers than with what we put back in during the so called "surge" (prior to the surge). The surge came about because of the success we were having (fighting for, that is how you have to win aspects of wars) in 05/06.
SecDef Rumsfeld was key in allowing us to have the aggressive and non-stop Op tempos that we did throughout 05/06. Politics (and SecDef Rumsfeld and CinC GWB doing what was best for our men on the ground) is why after 06, he was replaced. No SecDef could be able to do his job if constantly before Congressional committees (as the DEM leadership promised, once they won in 06).
The reality is AQ went 'all in' in Iraq in 04. Zarqawi was one hell of a tactical commander. As AQs #1 in Iraq he brought chaos. But at the end of the day because of the leadership of GWB and Rumsfeld a dirty little secret came about, that being it was AQ who could not fight an effective multi-front war, not us. We most certainly could and did. Routing AQ out of Iraq (Zarqawi included) not too mention in a half dozen other places around the globe.
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