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This is timely. Lots of talk of civil war and so forth, today. Regardless of that,, there is certainly a contest. And both sides cannot be right.
1 posted on 11/16/2008 7:51:13 PM PST by freemike
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To: freemike

Cannot believe I screwed up the title,,, that is suppose to be “Short” not “Sort.”
(shaking head with a sigh)


2 posted on 11/16/2008 7:52:45 PM PST by freemike
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To: freemike

Such insight. How far we have strayed from those times...thank you for sharing this.


4 posted on 11/16/2008 7:56:00 PM PST by EmilyGeiger
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To: admin

Please correct title to Lincoln’s Short Meditation ...


5 posted on 11/16/2008 7:58:20 PM PST by old-ager
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To: freemike
Timely: Lincoln's Sort Medication on Divine Will. Abraha, Lincold Online ^ | 1862 | Abraham Lincold

You definitely need to pay attention to your typing skills.

"Sort Medication"? "Abraha, Lincold"? What the heck are you typing about?

FMCDH(BITS)

6 posted on 11/16/2008 7:58:31 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: freemike

A great find! Thank you for posting it.


7 posted on 11/16/2008 8:01:12 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: freemike; mrsmel; old-ager; EmilyGeiger

It was in the 3rd year of Civil War, the Union losing, that Lincoln needed more enlistments and cash infusion, and decided upon the Emancipation Proclamtion, freeing the slaves. The Civil War was NOT fought to free the slaves. The shots fired at Ft Sumnter were upon ships carrying cotton to Europe wiithout paying export tarrifs. The issue was a States Rights vs Centralized Federal Control the very case upon which the Second Amendment was enacted. Lincoln had refused the abolitionist stance until he waqs banckrupt of money and soldiers. Upon the Emancipation, 300,000 freed slaves joined the Union forces and money poured in from Northeastern abolitionists. Lincoln was conflicted about the will of God for good reason.


9 posted on 11/16/2008 8:06:13 PM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: freemike

I have to believe that Almighty God will let goodness prevail over evil. That’s the only way to get through what is ahead of us. We cannot be defeated by negativity and continuous bad news. We must believe that the country will have it’s look at Marxism and reject it quickly before it destroys our Republic. I for one, am hopeful that we will have a second Reagan revolution of conservatism in the near future.


12 posted on 11/16/2008 8:10:06 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ("Those guys are jerks!" Saracuda)
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To: VigilantAmerican

ping


18 posted on 11/16/2008 8:21:15 PM PST by jacquej
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To: freemike
Lincoln refined his thinking and presented it in his second inagural address. It is a masterful speech that concisely sums up the Civil War in four paragraphs. I definitely recommend reading the whole speech at the link.

Here is the third paragraph (the longest) which includes this thought.

One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

23 posted on 11/16/2008 8:34:09 PM PST by 21stCenturyFreeThinker
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To: freemike
Hay is one of my favorite characters. I corresponded a couple of times with his daughter. He served both Lincoln and Roosevelt. One of his greatest lines is remembered in the movie The Wind and the Lion about a Muslim that kidnapped an American citizen. Never one for too many words Secretary of State Hay stated; Peticaris free or the Razouli dead.
25 posted on 11/16/2008 8:39:28 PM PST by Jolla
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To: freemike

Maybe you just need to sort your medication. :-)

Good post.


27 posted on 11/16/2008 8:44:39 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Free Brightside!)
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To: freemike

I’ve given a lot of thought to this.

 

I consider this world, our corner of the universe, the “Great Faith Experiment.” God, above all, is the creator. In his desire to create faith, grace, mercy and the many things that flow from them, he created biological creatures that could only see God through the eyes of faith. We have been removed from the Divine Presence, yet the Divine is all around us. The only way to see God is through the eyes of faith. Faith is so important that it is credited to us as righteousness.

 

It brings to mind a couple of scriptures from I Corinthians:

 

“No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval.” – I Cor 11:19

 

“My conscience may be clear, but that does not make me innocent.” – I Cor 4:4

 

If God were to directly intervene in our every dispute, then our faith would become sight. What could then be credited to us as righteousness? No, God works through our disputes while maintaining the veil of faith. We trust him that the outcome will show his will. As men, we demand that our way of thinking is right. When the subject is benign, we often go about with our differences of opinion. When the matter is grave we fight, we take up arms, we go to war hoping and even demanding that God is on our side.

 

And we hope and pray that when the fight is over that we have not entered into a period of evil, but that God’s will has been done. We hope that the right will have prevailed and that the losers through humility will have been shown that they were wrong and will accept the Divine Providence of the Lord.

31 posted on 11/16/2008 10:57:01 PM PST by Daniel II
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To: freemike

“there is certainly a contest. And both sides cannot be right.”

Don’t forget this part.

“Both may be, and one must be, wrong. “


35 posted on 11/17/2008 12:29:17 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: freemike

This is good. Thank you for posting it.

Even though you did a “boo boo”! ;-))) LOL!


37 posted on 11/17/2008 12:33:53 PM PST by LadyPilgrim ((Lifted up was He to die; It is finished was His cry; Hallelujah what a Savior!!!!!! ))
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To: freemike
The same sentiments he expressed in his Second Inaugural address in March of 1865.

Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has his own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!" If we shall suppose that American Slavery is one of those offences which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South, this terrible war, as the woe due to those by whom the offence came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a Living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope--fervently do we pray--that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-man's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether"

46 posted on 11/17/2008 1:04:43 PM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: freemike

>This is timely.

Indeed, a good read.

>Lots of talk of civil war and so forth, today.

Read the Declaration of Independence; it is amazing how many of the complaints can be paralleled with today’s government. The people are tired of injustice.

>Regardless of that,, there is certainly a contest.

As said in the New Testament, it is not against flesh and blood; but against powers and principalities. It is ideals against reality, and against other ideals.

>And both sides cannot be right.

Certainly. But as was pointed out; both sides might be wrong.


49 posted on 11/17/2008 7:40:10 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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