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Some See Big Problem in Wisconsin Drinking
The New York Times ^ | November 15, 2008 | DIRK JOHNSON AND GRANT JUNKIE

Posted on 11/17/2008 7:02:01 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084

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To: Publius

Yes! Ma - my Calabrese Nonna gave us wine at dinner - including when she made her own pizza (thick crust sheet style). I was amazed when my friends were so hell-bent on “scoring” 12-packs and drinking in the woods.

I concur, it was good training for the future!


21 posted on 11/17/2008 7:38:59 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (Obama/Biden...change you can laugh at!)
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To: STONEWALLS
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22 posted on 11/17/2008 7:41:44 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: pnh102

We used to buy my son a beer with dinner all the time when we lived in Neenah Wi. He learned it wasn’t a big deal or a wonderful “forbidden fruit”.


23 posted on 11/17/2008 7:41:58 PM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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To: STONEWALLS

Where’s the part of the story where he gets behind the wheel drunk?

Or are you just assuming that because he drinks, he’s a drunk driver?


24 posted on 11/17/2008 7:43:20 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: GOPsterinMA

I remember drinking a glass of wine every year at the Christmas late night feast after mass as a teenager. A full stomach and a glass of wine....the most blissful sleep, couldn’t keep my eyes open.


25 posted on 11/17/2008 7:44:32 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Wow - you got vino after Mass?!?! At church or at home? The priest at my old church was a teetotler, but a great guy - Saturday Mass started at 4 pm, was done by 4:20 pm. As an altar buy, I was out the door by 4:30.

RIP Father C.!


26 posted on 11/17/2008 7:49:07 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (Obama/Biden...change you can laugh at!)
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To: GOPsterinMA
Saturday Mass started at 4 pm, was done by 4:20 pm.

Ah, shor-an-begorra, ye've witnessed the legendary Irish Mass. Twenty minutes, in and out, and yer' ticket t'heaven's been punched. Me not-so-sainted father preferred the Irish Mass, taking the seat nearest the door to be in and out faster than the rest of the congregation. We cremated him when he died, and me sainted mither had the priest put the ashes right by the door for the mass.

27 posted on 11/17/2008 7:55:22 PM PST by Publius
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To: Eric Blair 2084

The age thing doesn’t bother me near as much as the drunk driving stats.


28 posted on 11/17/2008 7:56:47 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: STONEWALLS

The criteria for “drunk driving” have been constantly morphing since the entire concept was coded into law.

When “drunk driving “ laws were first enacted, there was little doubt that the discretion of the arresting officer was plenty of proof, and there were no hard limits. At this point in time, “over 70% of ALL accidents” were “caused” by drinking drivers.

Then a blood alcohol content (BAC) of 0.15 ml/lwas encoded as “THE” standard to determine whether one could safely operate a motor vehicle.

Lots of fines and suspensions, but this revenue stream started falling off as citizens adapted to and obeyed these restrictions.

Lo and Behold, the “drunk” bac is lowered to 0.10 ml/l! Suddenly, “drunk driving” is in a CRISIS situation again, and “drinking drivers” (if you had a glass of wine with dinner, you qualify) are at an all-time-high!!

Folks adapt to this newest “adjustment” of the criteria regarding alcohol levels in otherwise normal folks, and once again, the revenue stream from “those EEEEEVIL drinkers” falls off.

The “acceptable level” for BAC is once again dropped to 0.08 ml/l (HALF what it was originally!) and once again, the accident rate blamed on alcohol seems to spike.
However, if you read the fine print, you’ll notice that it is no longer “drunk driving” accidents, they are “alcohol involved” accidents.

If you read further into the information, it turns out that “alcohol involved” means that there was some alcoholic beverage IN one of the involved vehicles. Not open, nobody was drinking, but there was BOOZE NEARBY!!

Meanwhile, sheeple think that boozing is still a major cause of crashes. According to the NHTSA, DRUNK drivers are under 25% as a direct cause.

Save your pontificating, and stop enabling the leftist control freaks, even though you’re obviously a product of the public school system, and believed your teachers.


29 posted on 11/17/2008 7:57:03 PM PST by Don W (To write with a broken pencil is pointless.)
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To: Publius

Yes! Father C. was as Irish as a thick wool sweater!

Are you serious about putting your Dad’s ashes next to the door? That’s a little funny! :)


30 posted on 11/17/2008 8:00:18 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (Obama/Biden...change you can laugh at!)
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To: GOPsterinMA

At home. We’re Orthodox and we have that Midnight Mass on January 6 every year. 1 am, you’re 14, it’s already 4 hours past bedtime, full stomach...glass of wine....zonked for 12 hours. No school the next day.


31 posted on 11/17/2008 8:04:15 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Don W
Exactly!

Its no coincidence that every time the standards for determining drunk driving are lowered, more drunk driving occurs. Just imagine how much drunk driving is going to take place when the bac standard is reduced to 0.0.

32 posted on 11/17/2008 8:05:35 PM PST by CharacterCounts (Wanted: Snappy, erudite tag line.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Early drinking gives you a good idea of what your future holds. At 13, I had 7 of the 9 Warning Signs of Alcoholism.

The only reason I didn't have all 9 is because, as a kid, I wasn't married and didn't hold a full-time job. Finally got to AA a few decades later.
33 posted on 11/17/2008 8:06:19 PM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Don W
In case you haven't seen some of this....

Back Door to Prohibition: The New War on Social Drinking: A great piece by Radley Balko who is the editor of Cato.org and a columnist for FoxNews.com. Read his blog "The Agitator", it's great.

Let's have a toast! Now that the smelly smokers are gone from the bar, we can have a few pints without that annoying, stinky smell of tobacco smoke. We're fine. The Government never has and never will go after alcohol....NOT!

Behind the Neo-Prohibition Campaign The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation: The Center For Consumer Freedom will help to explain why non-smokers who like Sam Adams or Jimmy Beam have nothing to worry about. It's not as if RWJF, a key group behind the anti-tobacco crusade, has them in their sights. You can rest easy.

Colleges are reaching their limit on alcohol : You're in the stands watching the USC-UCLA game at the Rose Bowl. How about an ice cold beer? Bwa,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!! Not for you my friend. Don't be surprised when you go to the Ballpark to watch your favorite team in the future and find no beer for sale. Can't say I didn't warn you.

Single Glass of Wine Immerses D.C. Driver in Legal Battle: We all agree that the drunk driver with a .45 BAC who kills a family of 5 by plowing into them while going the wrong way down a highway should be put away for life. However, under the category of "this could be you", read this before you take a sip of wine at your cousin's wedding, especially if it happens to be in the capital of our great nation.

Arresting Drinkers...In Bars: Let me repeat this for maximum effect: Arresting Drinkers...In Bars.

Anheuser-Busch Urged to Abandon "Idiotarod" Beer Promotion :Anheuser-Busch should drop its sponsorship of a Washington, D.C. charity event called the "Idiotarod," organized by a local group that goes by the acronym "SMASHED," according to the nonprofit Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI). The March 3 event, in which young people are urged to acquire shopping carts and drink beer in one bar after another, is in clear violation of the Beer Institute's Advertising and Marketing Code, which prohibits marketing which encourages rapid or excessive beer drinking or drinking games, according to the group.

34 posted on 11/17/2008 8:08:16 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Thrownatbirth

Early signs? The only sign I got was that a glass of wine put me to sleep when I was a kid.


35 posted on 11/17/2008 8:10:24 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Sweet deal there! Good for you! No school the next day was the added bonus, no doubt.


36 posted on 11/17/2008 8:12:09 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (Obama/Biden...change you can laugh at!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Yep, this is the second “for your own good” article posted on FR today. The first one I saw(maybe there have been more than two but two is all I have seen Today)was about WVA and how fat people were in one particular area of WVA. The nanny state FReepers(how they can call themselves conservatives I will never know)came out is force! I am sure they will be on here justifying why we should jail everyone who ever drank a beer.


37 posted on 11/17/2008 8:13:12 PM PST by calex59
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To: CharacterCounts

If you’re seriously shopping for a tagline BTW, how about “1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.”


38 posted on 11/17/2008 8:13:33 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: calex59; Gabz

I was going to post that one. Maybe I should ping it. Did Gabz do it already?


39 posted on 11/17/2008 8:15:01 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I like it. I think I will use it. Thanks.


40 posted on 11/17/2008 8:18:42 PM PST by CharacterCounts (1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.)
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