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Citi shares in record slump, CDS spreads widen
Market Watch ^ | 11/19/08 | Alistair Barr

Posted on 11/19/2008 8:00:42 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Citi shares in record slump, CDS spreads widen

Bank takes on $17 billion of SIV assets, shuts another hedge fund

By Alistair Barr, MarketWatch

Last update: 4:41 p.m. EST Nov. 19, 2008

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Citigroup Inc. shares slumped a record 23% Wednesday and credit-default swap spreads on its debt widened after the bank took on more than $17 billion in assets from structured investment vehicles and shut another hedge fund.

Citi shares slumped 23% to close at $6.40. The previous biggest one-day drop was 21.7% during the market collapse on Oct 19, 1987. CDS spreads on Citi were trading at more than 360 basis points during afternoon action, up from a 240 basis points yesterday, according to Phoenix Partners Group. CDS are a common type of derivative contract that pay out in the event of default. When CDS spreads widen it means investors are willing to pay more for protection against defaults. A spread of 360 basis points means an investor buying $10 million worth of protection must pay $360,000 a year.

Citi said it will purchase the final $17.4 billion of assets still in structured investment vehicles, or SIVs, that the bank advised.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bankruptcy; cds; citi; citigroup
The long-heralded demise of Citigroup could be around the corner.
1 posted on 11/19/2008 8:00:42 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; bamahead; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 11/19/2008 8:01:08 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I read an article the other day that made a persuasive case that General Electric was doomed too. Hard to believe, but GE is mostly a finance company now. Many CEOs have lost credibility because they say one thing and another happens. It is a scary time and its far from over.


3 posted on 11/19/2008 8:15:13 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Even though I was a bear from 1998 to October of this year, and short to some degree all that time, this is going way farther than is good for any of us.


4 posted on 11/19/2008 8:55:32 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Are there any CDSs that are worth anything? Didn’t Lehman’s swaps come out to be worth about 5 cents on the dollar? Are banks still holding these as assets on their books?

So many questions!


5 posted on 11/19/2008 9:03:49 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Don't blame me, I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin. Well, for Sarah Palin, anyway.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

that’s a mouth-dropper, isn’t it?


6 posted on 11/19/2008 9:07:03 PM PST by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The Happy Hour guy today pointed out that (I might be misremembering the exact numbers) Citi's market capitalization was something like $200b, and now it's down to $35b, and $25b of that is TARP money. So.
7 posted on 11/19/2008 9:12:14 PM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Citibank is the most evil, vicious, predatory financial company on Earth. I have a bottle of champagne waiting for the day that outfit goes belly up.


8 posted on 11/19/2008 9:19:12 PM PST by John Locke
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To: ken21
Back when the Arabs bought a large stake in Citigroup, they (the Arab buyers) shortly thereafter began complaining that survival of the firm looked difficult at best. This was before all of the massive bleeding that has taken place since.

I'm wondering if anyone has any real math that shows how Citi can actually survive - expecially in this climate.

It seems that they and their stakeholders are hoping for some type of miracle.

9 posted on 11/19/2008 9:21:16 PM PST by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: John Locke

Do you have any examples you can post? I like it when evil gets stomped.


10 posted on 11/19/2008 9:22:25 PM PST by Enterprise (No Oil for Democrats!)
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To: John Locke

I take it that you never did business with BankOne.


11 posted on 11/19/2008 9:29:17 PM PST by PAR35
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Ruh Roh... at Smith Barney, they make money the old fashioned way...
12 posted on 11/19/2008 9:34:56 PM PST by April Lexington (We are now in the era of Timothy Leary Economics!)
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To: John Locke

Citi is run by the 3 Stooges.


13 posted on 11/19/2008 10:10:00 PM PST by Raster Man
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I have a Citibank VISA card with a 4.99% balance transfer for the life of the balance. I paid off my other higher-interest cc debt with this transfer.

Does this offer disappear if the bank does? Just wondering.


14 posted on 11/19/2008 11:05:45 PM PST by Deo volente (On January 20, 2009 America moves to DEFCON 2.)
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To: Deo volente
Nothing would be guaranteed. Anything can happen.
15 posted on 11/19/2008 11:07:41 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: John Locke
I don't think you will get to drink that for a while.

The Feds cannot afford to let Citi unravel; too much damage.

Having said all of that, Citi will hang on until things improve, but will be broken up and sold off piecemeal.

16 posted on 11/20/2008 4:17:05 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Deo volente
Does this offer disappear if the bank does?

Probably not, if the deal is exactly as you describe. You really need to examine the fine print, however. The new bank could charge whatever they want for new charges, but if there is a binding contract with no qualifications for the transfered balance, someone should be stuck for the deal. But again, it would all depend on the fine print.

17 posted on 11/20/2008 6:47:19 PM PST by PAR35
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