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CA: Bad? You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet
KQED - Capitol Notes ^ | 11/20/08 | John Myers

Posted on 11/20/2008 5:56:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge

It's kind of hard to be surprised by bad economic and budget news in California these days. After all, there's virtual unanimty that we're in deep you-know-what.

And yet, today's full analysis by the Legislature's nonpartisan budget watchers is still shocking... probably for its opinion that the problems stretch across almost every single aspect of state revenues and expenditures.

The annual fiscal outlook, the first under newly minted Legislative Analyst Mac Taylor, adds some details to the gloomy projections the LAO released just nine days ago. That projection focused on a $28 billion gap by July 2010.

Ready for some more bad news?

The Five Year Flu: The LAO report concludes the current economic storm, which could easily keep blowing into the next fiscal year, will result in a prolonged period of revenue problems. Analysts now predict it will take until the 2013-2014 budget year for state government revenues to surpass those received just last year -- in total, a five year recovery.

And It Could Be Worse: The report, with a nod toward the fact that no one really knows how much worse things will get, includes a scenario where personal income grows only half as much as the LAO now predicts for 2009 and 2010. The result: another $4.5 billion less in state government revenues in the short term.

Capital Gains Collapse: The outlook for capital gains revenues really helps tell the overall story. Profits on stocks and real estate are a major component of personal income tax revenues for the state, and thus a major component of government revenues. The LAO outlook now projects capital gains will decrease from $125 billion in the 2007 tax year to just $65 billion in 2008... almost a 50% drop in one year. In 2009, the LAO believes capital gains will fall to just $41 billion -- that's a 66% evaporation of capital gains revenues in just two years.

Housing, Unemployment: Two more signs of the meltdown... while more than 200,000 new residential building permits were issued in both 2004 and 2005, the annual totals this year and next are expected to only be about 70,000. Meantime, California's unemployment level was about 4.9% in 2006; by next year, the LAO believes it will be 9%... or higher.

Expenses: Lest anyone think the problem is strictly too little cash, the LAO projects an ongoing rise in state government expenses (but to be fair, the projected problems seem to be much more severe on the other side of the ledger). Some biggies -- public schools (K-12) spending to rise by 2.2% a year; Medi-Cal spending to rise by an average of 6.1% a year; in-home supportive services (IHSS) to average 7.9% more a year; and prison spending to increase an average of 2.6% a year.

But the winner... debt service. The LAO predicts payments for all of the state's borrowing through bonds will rise an average of 9.9% a year. That increase includes the bonds approved by voters just two weeks ago.

This kind of sober assessment would presumably shake up the cuts/taxes soap opera that's been playing out in the Legislature these past few years. For now, it hasn't; another leadership meeting today apparently didn't move the ball over the goal line.

Plans for a weekend budget vote in one or both houses have been scrapped... with the best case scenario now being some sort of budget action taken just before that Thanksgiving turkey gets popped into the oven.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bad; calbondage; calbudget; california; deficit; lao; schwarzenegger
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1 posted on 11/20/2008 5:56:35 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
After all, there's virtual unanimty that we're in deep you-know-what.

I believe the word you are looking for is "Schwarzenegger".

2 posted on 11/20/2008 6:00:16 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: NormsRevenge

It ain’t bad yet kids. It’s going to get much worse.


3 posted on 11/20/2008 6:00:29 PM PST by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. 2010 awaits.....)
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To: Free Vulcan
It ain’t bad yet kids. It’s going to get much worse.

They left out the most important fact: capital flight.

Many of us are voting with our feet. I am taking my considerable salary (tax revenue to government types) from California to Texas. Any business who can will leave the onerous conditions to the beckoning environs of Nevada or other nearby states.

Very soon there will be more in the cart than pulling it.

4 posted on 11/20/2008 6:10:07 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your power dry, folks)
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To: NormsRevenge

A lot of oil out there off the coast of California.


5 posted on 11/20/2008 6:16:13 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Free Vulcan

I’m sure all of the grateful illegals will help to pull the state up by the bootstraps after all the billions spent housing them and educating their children /sarc


7 posted on 11/20/2008 6:21:35 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: freedumb2003

Of course you are exactly right. Salt Lake City is going to be a frikin’ boom town. I should go snap up some apartment complexes there.

jas3


8 posted on 11/20/2008 6:24:04 PM PST by jas3
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To: Baynative
Budget trouble? -— I thought ya’all were building a $50 Billion Bullet Train!

Plus the chickens are safe! Whew! We have our priorites straight out here in Kalifornia!

9 posted on 11/20/2008 6:25:37 PM PST by Wonderama Mama (Socialism is great until you run out of someone elses money - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: jas3

is there income tax in Salt Lake?

I know Nevada doesn’t have one, nor Texas and Pennsylvania.

That is a big factor. When I compare millage in Tx to my property taxes in California (even WITH Prop 13 freeze), they are about the same.


10 posted on 11/20/2008 6:26:18 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your power dry, folks)
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To: NormsRevenge

My God, this is the most horrendous prediction I’ve ever seen. Revenue streams collapsing left and right and I’ll bet the report doesn’t even include the mass exodus of highly educated workers from the state leaving when all the jobs disappear. That’ll trigger another downward spiral on real estate prices as supply greatly exceeds demand. And still the bastards in Sacto refuse to cut spending AND the idiot populace passed all the spending bills two weeks ago. Santa Clara County just recounted the vote for the 1/8 cent sales tax hike to pay for BART to come down here. When I moved to CA in ‘73, we were already paying a special BART tax that never got the train close to Santa Clara County and here we are 35 years later still approving and paying BART taxes.

Is there any fiscal sanity anywhere in this country? Is the entire nation governed by blithering idiots?


11 posted on 11/20/2008 6:44:10 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: NormsRevenge
debt service. The LAO predicts payments for all of the state's borrowing through bonds will rise an average of 9.9% a year.

What? How can this be? Aren't bonds free? /s

12 posted on 11/20/2008 6:45:57 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: freedumb2003

My fellow Californians have always believed the good weather would ensure prosperity. With traffic, taxes, onerous burdens on business, and endless quantities of illegals, Atlas is finally shrugging.


13 posted on 11/20/2008 6:49:22 PM PST by RandyGH (Democrats--So far left they've left America)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Norm.... yes the Idiots have grown up and are now in charge....


14 posted on 11/20/2008 6:55:57 PM PST by pointsal
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To: NormsRevenge

Looks like the taxpayer is going to have to bail out big government.


15 posted on 11/20/2008 7:00:53 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: freedumb2003

There is an income tax in Pennsylvania and Utah.

jas3


16 posted on 11/20/2008 7:04:37 PM PST by jas3
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To: Wonderama Mama

Right.

No chicken stew for you, you meanie.


17 posted on 11/20/2008 7:07:29 PM PST by NathanR ( Drill here. Drill now. Pay less.)
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To: NormsRevenge
CA: Bad? You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet...I remember talking to California types in the Army forty years ago, telling me about what a great place it was - free education, free this, free that, on and on - "who pays for it all" I used to ask, and about the only answer I'd get was a vague "taxes" - my only surprise is that it took Kaliforrnnia this long to get to where it is today......
18 posted on 11/20/2008 7:14:51 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: freedumb2003

PA has a state income tax, albeit not as high as that of NY. Where you save money in PA is the considerable reduction in property taxes relative to NY and NJ.


19 posted on 11/20/2008 7:18:04 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: jas3

When did Pennsylvania start an income tax? They didn’t have one when I worked there a few years ago...

Utah, I figured on.

I think there is a website somewhere that lists the tax bases for different states.


20 posted on 11/20/2008 7:18:28 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your power dry, folks)
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