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What you fail to note is that you have just presented a teleological example as a 'much better analogy for how evolution works'. Are you now claiming that evolution is a teleological process that has goals? Please show where these goals come from?

I didn't take that from Coyoteman's statement. Rather, think of the sixes as a positive mutation for survival. Rolling an individual six helps a member of a species survive, so the six doesn't get discarded for the next roll.

What constitutes a six varies from species to species and environment. A benefit in a given environment may be nuetral or a hindrance in some other setting.

Is there an 'eye' goal, a 'brain' goal, a 'human' goal, etc, etc etc that 'evolution' is reaching for?

No. But mutations that take a species in the eye, brain or human direction may be helpful to that species' survival.

What constitutes a six varies from species to species and environment. A benefit in a given environment may be nuetral or a hindrance in some other setting.

And this trial and error/feedback mechanism tends to discredit the mathematicians who calculate odds that purport to show that evolution is impossible.

Or as one poster put it here a few years ago, the odds against evolution are 1⁷²⁰. LOL

" Neither. The "goal" is survival. Only those who survive to reproduce pass on their genes. That tends to focus the "random chance" in very specific directions."

Then your 'example' was a misrepresentation and you continue that misrepresentation here. In your analogy 'survival' is any roll and there is no need to 'select' 1 six, much less 12 of them. You also assume perfect selection (both positive and negative), which is not possible artificially much less 'naturally'.

"Trial and error, with feedback, as I said."

'Survival' is any roll along the way or your analogy doesn't work. But since you already have 'survival' with any roll, there is no need to go in the direction of 12 sixes. 'Feedback' has no meaning without a teleological goal and appealing to 'survival' is not a goal the will produce 12 sixes.

This is just more misrepresentation for the weak-minded. Getting 12 sixes is the real world is as far from 'pretty easy' as you can get.

Or as one poster put it here a few years ago, the odds against evolution are 1720. LOL

Evolution is irrelevant. Where did the first living organism capable of reproducing itself come from? Oh yeah, this organism not only had to reproduce, it had to have a blueprint code, something to decode said code, and the decoder had to be tolerant of some mutation. And it had to absorb energy. Transform and use energy. Move energy to various parts of itself. Excrete wastes. All spontaneously from nothing. The evolutionist MUST grapple with this question, not just take it for granted and continue with the assumptions. Otherwise, the Evolution-Creation arguement is moot and meaningless. A traveling companion is the question of the origin of matter & the universe.

Do you honestly beliive life started from nothing in some hypothetical soup? Do you really believe that the complxity of the universe came about from a violent explosion of "nothing"?

Do you honestly believe a single chance mutation in one genetic sequence (one pair of dice) could find its way into the entire population through reproduction, or that the one genetic anomoly gave that one organism a leverage over it's multitude of special cousins, and they all died and that one had became the father (mother) of all? Or do you believe that several organisms had the same "random" mutation simultaneously? Moreover, that this happened a gagillion times over? Dice rolling indeed.

If you answered yea to any of the "believe" questions above, then you have faith in something you can't prove. Welcome to the club!

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