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Sponges Use Fiber Optics for Interior Lighting (to harvest energy!)
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| November 20, 2008
Posted on 11/21/2008 8:39:45 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...
The more I study nature, the more I am forced to confess we are fearfully and wonderfully made!
To: GodGunsGuts
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posted on
11/21/2008 8:47:54 AM PST
by
Red Badger
(Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
To: GodGunsGuts
It's interesting that the light doesn't help the sponge directly because it is an animal so it doesn't use light for photosynthesis, but rather the light is for other symbiotic organisms living inside the sponge.
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posted on
11/21/2008 8:48:03 AM PST
by
KarlInOhio
(11/4: The revolutionary socialists beat the Fabian ones. Where can we find a capitalist party?)
To: GodGunsGuts
When we do it, it's Intelligent Design.
When a sponge does it, it's just a random mutation which happened to provide a benefit worth keeping for hundreds of millions of years. Just dumb luck, really.
To: ClearCase_guy
Just think, for evolution to be true, every creature on earth—the simplest of which is sophisticated beyond our wildest imaginations—has to be the product of billions upon billions of chance mutations. That’s quite a run of dumb luck!
To: GodGunsGuts
Sponges Use Fiber Optics for Interior Lighting (to harvest energy!) Of course not all sponges do this. The Welfare Sponge harvests handouts from the taxpayer and sucks the economy dry.
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posted on
11/21/2008 8:54:30 AM PST
by
R_Kangel
(`.`)
To: KarlInOhio
The full force of this find didn’t hit me until your jaw-dropping comment. Thank you!
To: GodGunsGuts
I wondered why my brother-in-law seemed to glow. I thought it was his drinking.
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posted on
11/21/2008 9:00:27 AM PST
by
tumblindice
(In this school of war called life...)
To: GodGunsGuts
Just think, for evolution to be true, every creature on earththe simplest of which is sophisticated beyond our wildest imaginationshas to be the product of billions upon billions of chance mutations. Thats quite a run of dumb luck! Trial and error, with feedback, work wonders.
I saw, within the last couple of days, probably on one of these threads, an example that may help you understand the "billions and billions" bit.
With, say, a dozen dice what are the odds of rolling all sixes? Pretty high, right? That is what you are doing when you suggest the odds against evolution of a particular trait is "billions and billions" against.
But evolution works with trial and error and feedback. A closer analogy would be when you roll that dozen dice you do a second roll with only those that did not produce a six. Then a third roll and so on until they are all sixes. When you do it that way getting all sixes is pretty easy.
That is a much better analogy for how evolution works, with trial and error and feedback.
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posted on
11/21/2008 9:29:42 AM PST
by
Coyoteman
(Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
To: tumblindice
Did you notice any trumpet shaped spicules embedded in his skin? If so, maybe he’s an oddly shaped sponge :o)
To: GodGunsGuts
>The more I study nature, the more I am forced to confess we are fearfully and wonderfully made!
Indeed.
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posted on
11/21/2008 9:31:29 AM PST
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OneWingedShark
(Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
To: ClearCase_guy
Its not just dumb luck. Its luck plus the awesome effect of survivability of the mutation repeatedly tested against reality millions of times in a myriad of individuals.
Mutations that help the individual’s survival and reproduction persist and in turn get more mutations piled on in some descendants later. It never ends. Always testing, bad ones dying out, good ones carrying on....
Dumb luck is the least of it. It’s not dumb at all. It’s reality.
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posted on
11/21/2008 9:32:56 AM PST
by
helpfulresearcher
(Bipartisanship is just a PC word for Collaborating With the Enemy.)
To: Red Badger
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posted on
11/21/2008 9:33:18 AM PST
by
Vaduz
To: GodGunsGuts
he more I study nature, the more I am forced to confess we are fearfully and wonderfully made!bacterial flagellum constitute a kind of natural nano-sized 'motor' complete with armature, stators, and bearings. Truly amazing and on the sub-cellular level.
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posted on
11/21/2008 9:41:58 AM PST
by
6SJ7
(Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
To: 6SJ7
Excellent illustration! And as it turns out, even the tail is complex!:
Flagellar Whip Section (Scanning EM)
Flagellar Cap
Flagellar Cap (cont'd)
And believe it or not, there is something even more spectacular that the bacterial flagellum! For more, see the following:
http://creationontheweb.com/images/pdfs/tj/j21_2/j21_2_109-115.pdf
To: Coyoteman
Trial and error, with feedback, work wonders. Same goes for elections.....Are we in the trial part or the error part?...........
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posted on
11/21/2008 9:57:52 AM PST
by
Red Badger
(Never has a man risen so far, so fast and is expected to do so much, for so many, with so little...)
To: Red Badger
Same goes for elections.....Are we in the trial part or the error part?........... We've just experienced the error part.
Now comes the trial.
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posted on
11/21/2008 10:31:37 AM PST
by
Coyoteman
(Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
To: Coyoteman; GodGunsGuts
" But evolution works with trial and error and feedback. A closer analogy would be when you roll that dozen dice you do a second roll with only those that did not produce a six. Then a third roll and so on until they are all sixes. When you do it that way getting all sixes is pretty easy. That is a much better analogy for how evolution works, with trial and error and feedback." What you fail to note is that you have just presented a teleological example as a 'much better analogy for how evolution works'. Are you now claiming that evolution is a teleological process that has goals? Please show where these goals come from?
Is there an 'eye' goal, a 'brain' goal, a 'human' goal, etc, etc etc that 'evolution' is reaching for?
Is evolution now teleological or are you misrepresenting the arguments again?
To: GourmetDan
Is there an 'eye' goal, a 'brain' goal, a 'human' goal, etc, etc etc that 'evolution' is reaching for? Is evolution now teleological or are you misrepresenting the arguments again?
Neither.
The "goal" is survival. Only those who survive to reproduce pass on their genes. That tends to focus the "random chance" in very specific directions.
Trial and error, with feedback, as I said.
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posted on
11/21/2008 11:07:12 AM PST
by
Coyoteman
(Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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