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The Culture of Conspiracy [JFK assassination and media whitewashing/deflection of commie angle]
Wall Street Journal (2007) ^ | NOVEMBER 24, 2007 | JAMES PIERESON

Posted on 11/22/2008 6:02:05 AM PST by ETL

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To: Shooter 2.5; ALASKA

Did you read the recent posts, one of these guys is claiming that the computer re-creations are all rigged to point to Oswald, they’re in on the “cult of government” conspiracy to pin it on Oswald.

I also saw that ALASKA is on the UFO ping list, shocking.


101 posted on 11/22/2008 8:35:39 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob

I noticed some of the nutters when confronted with facts behave like they were told by a doctor they were going to die. They exhibit the same seven steps such as shock, denial, anger.. etc.

I have often wondered why these people cling to such ridiculous notions and I have a guess on that. I think they have such pitiful lives, they want to be seen as experts or geniuses. If they can somehow refute an expert, they believe that immediately makes them superior to the expert. They also have no need for real facts to do so. A fatal flaw is clinging to one piece of information and not looking if it’s supported by any others.

I also noticed the ones who believe Oswald did it, don’t have an ego. They searched for the truth no matter what it would bring and then accepted what others, photos, drawings or simulations told them and made sure all of it supported each piece of evidence.

I was at Dealy Plaza today. One nutter said there were twelve shooters.


102 posted on 11/22/2008 8:57:44 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Interesting, what would you guess the ratio was nutter to “Oswaldians”? Must be quite a scene on the anniversary, I plan on moving to the Dallas Ft. Worth area. I think you said they closed the sniper’s perch? I would love to check it out.


103 posted on 11/22/2008 9:02:49 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: ETL

Kennedy was anti-communist. He was shot by a communist.

Bonus round. What other President was anti-communist, cut taxes to stimulate output and increase tax revenues, and was shot?


104 posted on 11/22/2008 9:08:27 PM PST by ChessExpert (Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant. It is a trace gas that is necessary for life on earth.)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Yes, I have read all three. I tried to get Bugliosi’s book four years ago when it was first announced that it was being released. I have done “homework” on both sides of this subject and I still have questions. Maybe I am just not as gullible as you. I have an acquiring mind. Very little about the assassination has been “debunked”. I do not believe anything other than homicidal terrorists attacked the WTC and the Pentagon.

I am willing to bet that I have done more “research” on the subject than you, so please don’t tell me what I NEED to do. You have your opinion and I have mine. That is the beauty of living in this great country of ours.

Here’s a hint to you.........talk to the doctor who helped remove JFK from the limo like I have, ask him what he saw and what his professional opinion is about the head wound and come to your own conclusion.

You make me laugh. YOU are parroting, not I. I can Google that and get a hundred different answers. The thing is, I don’t just pick and choose those that I want to believe. Just because YOU don’t believe there was a conspiracy doesn’t mean there wasn’t one. You overestimate your influence....


105 posted on 11/22/2008 9:13:44 PM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: word_warrior_bob

It’s very hard to say. Most have no idea and they’re just tourists. They were told it was interesting so they go there to just say they were there.

I have to say, the nutters outnumber the Oswalds. The nutters have to reinforce their religion by appearing. The Oswalds say he did it and move on and don’t give it a second thought.

It was a little crazy more than usual. The anti-Federal Reserve people were there and some black ultra militants were there. Some brain dead hippie type was ridiculing the Blacks and they were polite. I think an undercover cop called it in so immediately three police cars showed up.
Personally, I was on the side of the Blacks. No one should have put up with that ridicule. The hippie needed someone to kick his ass.

This time I was accused of being FBI by the nuts. Last time I was accused of being FBI or CIA. If you’re going to be called a name, I would have chosen those. Kinda cool.


106 posted on 11/22/2008 9:16:54 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: ALASKA

Maybe I am just not as gullible as you. I have an acquiring mind. Very little about the assassination has been “debunked”.

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LOL, you have an “acquiring” mind all right, you acquire a lot of crap in it!

The head wound came from the rear, anyone who suggests otherwise is uneducated, end of story.

Yes, there is tons of information, I don’t pick and choose what I want to believe to support my suppositions - LIKE YOU, I gobbled up everything I could read about it and came to a rational, logical, conclusion.

I have what is known in some parlance as a “DISCERNING”, or “INQUIRING” mind, LOL.

As for me “overestimating my influence” Um, yeah, ok, where you’re getting that I don’t know....excuse me while I open a pack of Morleys...sleep well ALASKA, we know you’re on the UFO ping list...among other things....sleep well....sleep well.


107 posted on 11/22/2008 9:25:52 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Shooter 2.5

This time I was accused of being FBI by the nuts. Last time I was accused of being FBI or CIA. If you’re going to be called a name, I would have chosen those. Kinda cool.

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That’s the price you pay for looking normal in that crowd! You should have started whispering into your hand and covering your earpiece. I’m sure the overly delusional are thinking they’re being monitored because they’re “On The Trail Of The Assasins”


108 posted on 11/22/2008 9:29:27 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Yep, and YOU fit the profile of one who accepts whatever is put in front of him.

EVERYTHING you wrote in this post has been disputed. (It's Connally, not Connelly by the way) I'm not going to go through your "facts" one by one b/c I'm tired of your arrogance and condescension, but for one thing, the timing of the shots was 5.3 seconds, NOT 8.6 seconds.

As you were..........

109 posted on 11/22/2008 9:36:43 PM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: word_warrior_bob
The "acquiring" was intentional, I really didn't expect you to realize that.

And your "slam" about the UFO ping list does not bother me in the least. Anyone who thinks we could possibly be the only beings in God's entire universe is "uneducated' and egocentric...."end of story".

...........as you were....again.

110 posted on 11/22/2008 9:46:43 PM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: word_warrior_bob
The "sniper's nest" (The Sixth Floor Museum) was open when I was there for the Dallas Press Club Katy awards earlier this week. The actual area is enclosed by a plastic barrier. While I was there I talked to Jim Leavelle (handcuffed to Oswald when he was shot) for 30 minutes, and to Buell Frazier (for 30 minutes) who drove Oswald to work that day.

You're moving here??

111 posted on 11/22/2008 9:55:09 PM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: ALASKA

Once again, you ignore the realities of science and what it would take to get here.

There is not ONE SCINTILLA of evidence that other planets have visited us, do you believe the millions of people who said they were abducted by UFO’s?


112 posted on 11/22/2008 9:55:15 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: ALASKA

You’re DEEP into the “in” crowd! Can you summarize their thoughts?

I’m gettin’ to Texas as soon as I can, I’ve got family and loose ends here but I’m thoroughly disgusted with Jersey and Texas is the best state in the union.


113 posted on 11/22/2008 9:57:33 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob
And once again you look at things with a closed mind.

I have no opinion about the "millions" who claim to have been abducted. I do believe there is the possibilty that we have been, and are being, visited by beings from civilizations far more advanced than us scientifically and technologically.

Please, tell me about the "realities of science"...........God's language. You seem to be putting limitations on what God can do.

114 posted on 11/22/2008 10:05:57 PM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: word_warrior_bob
I’m gettin’ to Texas as soon as I can, I’ve got family and loose ends here but I’m thoroughly disgusted with Jersey and Texas is the best state in the union

Born and raised here. I guess we agree on one thing...........

115 posted on 11/22/2008 10:10:09 PM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: ALASKA

Don’t mix up God with flying saucers and possible Alien Abductions, which are fantasies derived from popular culture and implanted memories from the scum of the earth hypnotherapists who also convinced many people that their white bread parents were conducting Satanic rituals in their basements and sacrificing infants on Satanic altars and raping them every day until they were 18 years old, and they only can “recall” the memories now that they’re 40 and miserable.

There have been ZERO Alien Abductions and there is still ZERO hard evidence of us being visited from outer space despite tens of millions of video cameras throughout the world.

Kind of like how ALL the evidence STILL points to Oswald, and the most investigated crime in the history of crime STILL hasn’t proven a “conspiracy”.

You want a “real” conspiracy, something to sink your teeth into that hasn’t been debunked 100 times, watch this video.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=yuri+bezmenov&emb=1#

There is REAL evidence of leftist infiltration into our schools, media, etc. You can see it every day, the commies helped set the wheels in motion and now it has momentum of it’s own, like a glacier, ready to ruin our liberties.


116 posted on 11/22/2008 10:14:47 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob
word_weary_bob, Look back at what I've posted. I have said NOTHING about abductions, other than I have no opinion. You are the one who seems to be obsessed with it.

Relax.......

117 posted on 11/22/2008 10:34:32 PM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: ALASKA

You mentioned that it’s “possible”, hence my response.

It all goes to the larger picture of looking for the most likely, rational and scientifically provable theories when applying it to anything, like politics, murders, UFO abductions, etc.

I just solved the abduction “mystery” for you, so you can take it down from “possible” to out and out moonbattery. ; ) With the caveat that anything is “possible”.

When there is hard evidence of Aliens visiting our planet or a conspiracy to kill JFK, I will believe it. Until then, no dice.


118 posted on 11/22/2008 10:44:12 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob
Read my posts again. I NEVER said anything about the possibility of abductions........NEVER.

You have your beliefs, I have mine. We're going to have to agree to disagree. That is one of the great things about living where we do and being one of God's creatures.

119 posted on 11/22/2008 10:54:44 PM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: ALASKA

I do believe there is the possibilty that we have been, and are being, visited by beings from civilizations far more advanced than us scientifically and technologically.

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I asked you about abductions and this was your response, if you want to parse words, fine. To me, if I ask someone about abductions and this is their answer, I would conclude that they think it’s “possible”

To say you NEVER said anything about the possibility of abductions after reading this quote from you would be disingenous. No problem though, if you want to clarify that you don’t believe in abductions I’ll take you at your word.


120 posted on 11/22/2008 11:01:50 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob
I have no opinion about the "millions" who claim to have been abducted. I do believe there is the possibilty that we have been, and are being, visited by beings from civilizations far more advanced than us scientifically and technologically.

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Please don't edit my post and then claim I said or meant something that I didn't. Above is the "unedited" version of what I wrote, and it is quit clear that I did not include the possibility of abductions. I was clearly talking about two different things. There is no "parsing" of words. I said what I meant and no clarification is needed. If you just took me at my word without leaving part of it out, there would be no question as to my being "disingenous".

Again, you seem to be obsessed with "abductions".

121 posted on 11/22/2008 11:21:23 PM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: ALASKA

I asked you about abductions and that is your answer, I believe your answer states you think it’s possible because of what you said. You said you have no opinion about the “millions”, but....

It’s here nor there, stop projecting, I’m not obsessed about anything, I asked you a question, your answer confused me because you said you had no opinion and then went into the possibility...that’s all. Let’s forget “abductions”.

Here’s a simple question, out of curiosity. You believe there is a possibility that we have been, and are being, visited by beings from civilizations far more advanced than us scientifically and technologically.

Please give me a percentage from 0 to 100% on this possibility, just in your opinion what percentage. Simple question 0 to 100%, you don’t have to give me links or testimony, I just want to know on a scale of 0 to 100%.


122 posted on 11/22/2008 11:45:14 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob
You are wearing me out.....you are able to read English, right?

You asked me: "do you believe the millions of people who said they were abducted by UFO’s?"

I then said I have no opinion about abductions...PERIOD. I THEN said that "I believe there is a possibility that we have been, and are being, visited by beings from civilizations far more advanced than us scientifically and technologically." That statement says NOTHING about abductions.

Out of the blue answer?.....(so to speak)

50%

123 posted on 11/23/2008 12:02:09 AM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: ETL

Looks to me like there were two shots 1/2 second from each other that struck the head.

The shots from the depository were mostly to distract the crowd from the other sharp shooters in order to frame Oswald, and maybe get a lucky shot in. Looks like all they did was hit Connally and damage the car from the depository windows.

The kill zone was in front of Zapruder, with unbrella man the signaler to go ahead and employ the crossfire. At least 5 nests...the two already mentioned from the depository 6th floor windows...one lower from the police station area...one from the grassy knoll fence...one a longshot chance from the storm sewer.

Looks like the first head wound came from the police station area nest cracking the skull at the back lower right entrance and blowing out the temple at the exit.

The second impact 1/2 second later came from the storm sewer gap...the only reason this guy had a shot was because the driver slowed right at the kill zone rather than speed up. This bullet entered in the already opened temple, blew more of the top of the skull loose, and then blew out the back where the skull had been cracked from the first head shot. You can see Jackie’s right hand suddenly lurch back either due to the force of this second impact against the head, or to try to instinctively catch pieces of the brain and skull that had flew backwards at the very moment of the second impact. On the Zapruder film, you can see 1/2 second after the first impact the back of the head extends out, that’s the tissue blowing backwards forming an opening at the lower right, from the second impact. The reason this impact wasn’t as explosive as the first is because the head was already severely damaged and couldn’t build the bullet shockwave pressure like the first could.

Jackie climbed on the truck to get the piece of tissue and carried it all the way to the hospital. She said she had his brains in her hand, overheard by both Connally and his wife.

The knoll fence nest must’ve missed but the flash and the noise was enough to make everyone run up the knoll after them/him only to be stopped by goons posing as agents.


124 posted on 11/23/2008 12:52:17 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: ALASKA

Aliens and JFK. If you believe in the New World Order, you have a trifecta.

Maybe it was aliens at the grassy knoll and they used cloaking devices?


125 posted on 11/23/2008 5:37:30 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

I can tell you have no idea what a firearm does. Maybe you should change your screen name.

I’ll ask in plain English:

Where did all your magic disappearing bullets land?


126 posted on 11/23/2008 5:40:34 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: ALASKA

The Zapruder film says 8.3 seconds. The film ran at eight frames a second.

Where did all your magic disappearing bullets land?


127 posted on 11/23/2008 5:44:12 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: word_warrior_bob
There is no legit evidence that points to Oswald. There is no physical way he can be placed at the scene of the crime.

There were many episodes of the ‘Men Who killed Kennedy’ The one’s I'm speaking of, the last 3 aired in 2003 were pulled off the air within a week. Those were the ones that broke the JFK assassination case, and are not even available on DVD since then.

Thankyou for a new term ‘COGNITIVE DISSONANCE’, I enjoyed reading about it. Though that term does not place Oswald at the scene of the crime.

***You’re off the reservation, you REFUSE to watch or read any evidence that destroys the conspiracy theories and points to Oswald??? Why should anyone take you seriously.

The “banned” Men Who Killed Kennedy??? I watched it at least 5 times, the whole thing on A & E !!

I’ve read and seen everything you have and then some, you selectively IGNORE the books and videos that point to Oswald.

It’s called COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, look it up.***

128 posted on 11/23/2008 6:30:52 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: word_warrior_bob

I was wondering what the seven steps were and I found them this morning.

shock or disbelief
denial
bargaining
guilt
anger
depression
acceptance/hope

I saw a great deal of that yesterday. Not in that order and not all of them together. I talked to some people who were in various stages of the seven and it became apparent some didn’t want to progress. Some did and were delighted as the facts were laid out for them. The people who really wanted to discover the truth were more than happy at the results.

The progression worked easier with couples and tourists.

The paid and employed guides simply treated it like a carnival and they were entertaining the rubes. They were the ones who embelished the story of multiple killers until there a total of twelve assassins and six with rifles behind the fence. You can imagine a candy cane jacket, straw hat and cane. “Come one, come all”.


129 posted on 11/23/2008 6:49:58 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5
It was not just LadyBird Johnson who was a factor in removing those episodes, the full weight of the MSM & Govt was against them. I refer to the firestorm of articles that came out after they were aired. This was very similar to what happened with the Path To 911 series.

What were LadyBird Johnson or the Clintons thinking attempting to keep information from the people?

Are you comfortable with elites threatening lawsuits when they feel like it? Celebrities?

Why didn't they just come out and say we don't believe these productions, let the viewers decide for themselves. What are they trying to hide?

In this country things like this are not supposed to happen because the founders generally felt no information should be withheld from the people, that it was in the best interest of the country for the citizens to be knowledgeable.

Are you comfortable with the tactics the Obama administration is using to withhold information from us? He's doing the same thing!

***You missed a good chance. The so-called “Men Who Killed Kennedy” was not banned. It was voluntarily removed from the media under the threat of a large lawsuit from LadyBird Johnson.

I wish she would have let them air it again and then sue the pants off them. She didn’t because she didn’t need the money. Winning the case would have been a slamdunk.***

130 posted on 11/23/2008 7:12:50 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: Shooter 2.5
From 1st shot to last, the Zapruder film says 5.3 seconds.

You really like to put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head......WHERE did I say anything about "magic disappearing bullets"?? It's a new day and I am tired of dealing with the thoughts, words, and theories you falsely attribute to me and your arrogant, full-of-self posts. I'll give you the last word, so that you can close your mind and take a nap.

131 posted on 11/23/2008 7:22:00 AM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: msnpatriot

The Texas papers were delighted with the feisty LadyBird defending her husband against lies.

If the producers didn’t lie, they would have been able to have millions of dollars of publicity during the trial and they could have countersued.

Since when do people who speak the truth fear a libel suit?

By the way, Johnson was riding in the next limo. He didn’t kill Kennedy.


132 posted on 11/23/2008 7:31:22 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5

I’ve read your posts on this thread...you’re quite a name-caller showing you’re emotionally invested in this.

You say you were at the scene yesterday...that’s interesting. Are you from the Dallas area and if so do you have a connection to the Dallas police or anyone else involved in the investigation? It seems you try awful hard to convince yourself to believe in magic bullets and 7 minute miles by Oswald. Perhaps you’re a descendant of a Dallas official?

You ask “Where are the bullets?”...a large grassy area and if the police don’t really care to find them they probably won’t be found. They couldn’t find the one that hit the overpass guy (supposedly)...if they can’t find that one how could they find the others.

Earlier on this thread you said the Zapruder film proves Kennedy was hit from behind and it looks like he was on the first shot...what’s your explanation for the movement of Jackie’s hand and the changing shape of the back and top of the head 1/2 second after the first shot.

What’s your explanation of the Love Field scene where the Secret Service agents are called off the back of the limo and the one stands there waves his arms three times in disbelief?

What’s your explanation of all the open windows along the route showing no precautions were taken by the Secret Service?


133 posted on 11/23/2008 7:32:17 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Shooter 2.5
Since when do people who speak the truth fear a libel suit?

Since when do people asking a simple question on their own property fear a government investigation? Ask Joe the Plummer.

134 posted on 11/23/2008 7:40:16 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: ALASKA

Approximately 8.0 to 8.4 seconds. That’s documented by the tests on the Bell and Howell movie camera owned by Abraham Zapruder.

If you don’t know where your disappearing magic bullets landed, you have no idea what transpired at Dealy Plaza.


135 posted on 11/23/2008 7:43:41 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

If you don’t understand trajectories, you will never understand what happened at Dealy Plaza.

I’ll answer one question. It was the end of the parade. The highway is on the other side of the underpass.

Now let’s try it again to make you think about what happened at Dealy Plaza. What injuries did your disappearing magic bullets create? Plain English enough for you?


136 posted on 11/23/2008 7:51:36 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5

You’re not willing to answer questions...just namecall.

Suddenly you don’t want to look at the Zapruder evidence when it comes to the immediate aftermath of the first head impact.

Funny you can’t see your hypocrisy...you say if the bullet can’t be found then it wasn’t fired but yet you admit the overpass guy was hit and that bullet wasn’t found. That should have been the easiest bullet to find seeing as there was less grass in that area.

What’s your explanation for that bullet not being found and could that explanation apply to the other bullets?


137 posted on 11/23/2008 8:51:34 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Shooter 2.5
To bad for us the Texas papers didn't have delight in the feisty mistress of LBJ who described the Murchison party the night before, mentioning Govt & MSM big shots attending, and her claim that LBJ said he wouldn't have to worry about Kennedy anymore. Suggesting foreknowledge of events.

The History Channel producers were in a ‘no win’ situation to fight back. By the way, LBJ was just one subject that was in only one of the 3 episodes. Why did they pull down all 3 if LBJ was their problem?

These episodes also covered a Detroit employee deathbed confession about the Limo being flown back to Detroit with the windshield showing a frontal bullet impact, and he was told not to tell anyone about it. The evidence was destroyed there. Just another wacky witness I suppose!

Also included was the call that went out for the best cosmetic surgeons to immediately report to the govt for a major job needed. This reported by a family member of one who was contracted and she tells the story over a period of years.

Then there's the episode of Oswalds Mistress who spent most of the summer of 63 associating and working with him. Her accounting of Oswald is entirely different than the MSM, so because of that her 700 page book must be nonsense.

BTW, yes, LBJ was in the motorcade but according to a report he was listening to a device in his ear and ducked just before the shots rang out. Was it Yarlborough? I'd have to check, he was riding with him. I think the Senator also reported that when they drove past the Knoll there were clouds of burned gunpowder and and strong smell of it.

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/august2006/290806jfk.htm


***The Texas papers were delighted with the feisty LadyBird defending her husband against lies.

If the producers didn’t lie, they would have been able to have millions of dollars of publicity during the trial and they could have countersued.

Since when do people who speak the truth fear a libel suit?

By the way, Johnson was riding in the next limo. He didn’t kill Kennedy.***

138 posted on 11/23/2008 9:22:42 AM PST by msnpatriot
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To: Shooter 2.5
Doode, I DON'T HAVE ANY MAGIC BULLETS. Try to pull someone else into your web of confusion. You make things up and you make no sense. A mind is a terrible thing to close.......
139 posted on 11/23/2008 10:21:30 AM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; ALASKA

So what you just told me is you as an investigator know the name of the victim and that they were shot. Nothing more.

You don’t have a clue how they were shot, how many times they were shot or which direction they were shot.

You don’t understand the concept of front, back, side, up or down let alone ballistics, trajectories, calibers or wound cavities.

A man with a movie camera filmed this murder and you still haven’t figure it out.

You two share the exact mental capacities or illness as the 9-11 truthers. Substitute “Bush did it” for “LBJ did it” and there’s a mirror image.


140 posted on 11/23/2008 10:34:10 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Man, you are like flypaper. NO, I didn't tell you any of that. This obssession of yours with putting words in my mouth and thoughts in my head is getting REALLY creepy. You are one strange person.............

.....as you were. I'm done.

141 posted on 11/23/2008 10:43:57 AM PST by ALASKA (I feel more like I do today than I did yesterday.....)
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To: word_warrior_bob
Facts and forensics are not a “cult”, using modern forensics proves Oswald was the shooter.

Facts and 'modern' forensics do not prove Oswald was the shooter, no more than did the Warren Report.

The car shows that the “magic bullet” nuts were wrong because they didn’t accurately show how the men were seated in the ACTUAL car. The actual car has been re-created in the computer model, how does using the actual car “not line up”?

The actual car and occupants are shown in the actual film.. The computer 're-creation' does not show that reality.

We don’t have to agree that Oswald was the lone assasin, just like we don’t have to all agree that O.J. Simpson committed 2 murders, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to prove both. We don’t have to agree that Islamic Terrorists were responsible for 9/11 even though there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that they did. You can believe what you want, as for me, I’m 100% sure of the guilt of Oswald, OJ, and Islamic Terrorists. Watch the videos and read my posts on this thread to debunk many popular myths about the JFK assassination. What’s your theory about JFK?

My theory is that the single bullet theory is an effort to prove a politically correct version of JFK's murder..

- Thus the question remains, - just why must we all agree there was a lone assassin? -- Which 'cult' benefits? -- I say the big government 'cult' benefits, not a cult of conspiracy.

You just deny all of the evidence

[ No, I do not. - Much of the Warren Report is factual. - The single bullet theory is not; it is just that, a theory.]

as a conspiracy of the people doing the re-creations of the crime scene and the “cult” of “big government”???

The Warren Report is the governments version of events.. Even the guy's that wrote it later admitted it had many factual errors. - The SB theory is one of many.

You are way, way, way, way out there FRiend, so the guys doing the computer models (a company which re-creates scenes for insurance, crime scenes) are big government cultists twisting their computer model to prove a single shooter? They’re not trying to honestly solve the crime?

I think we can agree that many media outlets have reasons to back the official govt version of events; -- right?

Like I said, you are a deconstructionist and NOTHING will prove anything to you. WHAT IS YOUR THEORY of what happened 11/22/63, don’t tell me that it’s a conspiracy to prove that Oswald did it, I want to know what YOU think happened since you don’t believe the “official cult” story.

I don't believe the official story, - few on this website do, -- about most anything.. We believe in the idea of a free exchange of info in a free republic; -- can you agree?

142 posted on 11/23/2008 2:56:43 PM PST by jtom36
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To: LucyJo

Here is a link to the documentary.

I found it very interesting and hard to refute.

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/13/jfk-forensics-tech.html


143 posted on 11/24/2008 7:57:18 AM PST by earlJam
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To: word_warrior_bob

Here’s the link to the Discovery documentary.

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/13/jfk-forensics-tech.html


144 posted on 11/24/2008 8:06:03 AM PST by earlJam
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To: earlJam

“We might never know if Oswald pulled the trigger, but when you look at the wind pattern, the spread of the debris, the angles and distances involved, it’s consistent with a shot from the sixth floor depository,” said Martin.

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It’s ridiculous that they still have to equivocate, what do you mean we’ll never know!!! You and others showed the shot came from the 6th floor depository, a fiber on the rifle came from Oswalds shirt, the spent casings were there, the best modern forensics and physics lead to a shot from the depository, Oswald had also tried to assasinate General Edwin Walker, etc., etc. We DO know Oswald did it Mr. Martin!

It’s like you have to apologize for the truth, I bet some of Mr. Martins best friends are black people too. lol


145 posted on 11/24/2008 8:33:45 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: jtom36

Your arguments are simply non-factual, it’s pointless to have an “exchange of ideas” with you, all your “arguments” are. “It’s all the cult of big government trying to prove it was Oswald”, by that line of thinking all evidence that points to Oswald no matter where it comes from proves your “theory” that anyone pointing to Oswald is part of the government conspiracy to pin it on Oswald. You’ve said exactly that, you dismiss everything as the “cult” talking. Utterly ridiculous, it depends what the meaning of the word “is” is.

If you’ve seen all the JFK threads here you would know that you’re wrong, most people here DO NOT believe in the various conspiracies and believe that an ex-Marine with a rifle who bought into Marxism, who tried to kill General Walker, saw a golden opportunity to get REALLY famous by killing JFK, and if he didn’t score that last head shot JFK likely would have lived.


146 posted on 11/24/2008 8:46:10 AM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob
The Warren Report is the governments version of events.. Even the guy's that wrote it later admitted it had many factual errors. - The 'single bullet' theory is one of many.

You are way, way, way, way out there FRiend, so the guys doing the computer models (a company which re-creates scenes for insurance, crime scenes) are big government cultists twisting their computer model to prove a single shooter? They’re not trying to honestly solve the crime?

I think we can agree that many media outlets have reasons to back the official govt version of events; -- right?

Like I said, you are a deconstructionist and NOTHING will prove anything to you. WHAT IS YOUR THEORY of what happened 11/22/63, don’t tell me that it’s a conspiracy to prove that Oswald did it, I want to know what YOU think happened since you don’t believe the “official cult” story.

I don't believe the official story, - few on this website do, -- about most anything.. We believe in the idea of a free exchange of info in a free republic; -- can you agree?

Your arguments are simply non-factual, it’s pointless to have an “exchange of ideas” with you, all your “arguments” are. “It’s all the cult of big government trying to prove it was Oswald”,

So you claim.. The facts are that the Report is filled with flaws, - thus its theories are questionable.

-- that line of thinking all evidence that points to Oswald no matter where it comes from proves your “theory” that anyone pointing to Oswald is part of the government conspiracy to pin it on Oswald. You’ve said exactly that, you dismiss everything as the “cult” talking. Utterly ridiculous, it depends what the meaning of the word “is” is.

No, I haven't "said exactly that", -- as anyone who reads our exchange can verify.

-- you’ve seen all the JFK threads here you would know that you’re wrong, most people here DO NOT believe in the various conspiracies and believe that an ex-Marine with a rifle who bought into Marxism, who tried to kill General Walker, saw a golden opportunity to get REALLY famous by killing JFK, and if he didn’t score that last head shot JFK likely would have lived.

I'd say that most of the people at FR do not believe the official version, the Warren Report's theories.. We wonder why some here feel it is 'deconstructionist' to object to the single bullet theory..

147 posted on 11/24/2008 11:44:48 AM PST by jtom36
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To: word_warrior_bob

Unfortunately, too many times a person has to say to themselves, “you just can’t fix stupid”.


148 posted on 11/24/2008 3:05:31 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: jtom36

The Warren Report has more flaws than we can list but they did figure out that Oswald killed Kennedy. They were absolutely wrong in some of theri conclusions but the fact remains they did arrive at the number one suspect committing the crime.

You’re still in the denial stage of your illness.


149 posted on 11/24/2008 3:09:16 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: Shooter 2.5
A man with a movie camera filmed this murder and you still haven’t figure it out.

Well, your post is nothing but insults as usual...you won't discuss this intelligently nor will you answer questions...you just say Oswald did it and anyone that doesn't believe Oswald did it belongs on DU, basically. You just refused to answer my question about the Tague bullet.

Looking at your posting history you're into JFK 24h/7d/12m a year and I've had about enough brain tissue, skull flaps, and my hatred of Johnson to last me until next November (if we survive 10 months of Obama).

You guys say it's a simple case of one man in a window...if so (and I know you won't answer this question either), why won't the government release the last confiscated video? Why was a lot of stuff locked up for 75 years?

Here's my theory on the 75 year deal, and Johnson's refusal to run in '68 is a big part of this. Johnson got the green light from the CIA and the FBI to have his goons assassinate JFK because of Vietnam. The CIA and the FBI would manipulate evidence to help. Johnson knew that assassinating the president would be the crime of the century if successful and he knew the shooters would eventually brag (he didn't foresee the bias of the media toward Dems to the point of protecting every single one of them from scrutiny so their bragging is ignored). He thought he would be the most hated president in history when a majority of the public realized that he was in on the killing and that's why he sealed records in his vaults. I believe that he had confidantes lay out exactly his reason for doing what he did to JFK sealed in his vaults. It will be presented as a necessary step to saving the country from the spread of communism, that line being drawn in Vietnam. I believe he couldn't care less about his Great Society crap but did that as a sacrifice thinking that's what JFK would've done (although JFK was more like Reagan than a welfare statist). When the vaults are opened that's what may be revealed "I had to remove JFK but besides Vietnam I governed in the spirit of JFK" and having failed in Vietnam he only honorable way out was to not run in '68. JFK said Vietnam couldn't be won, Johnson killed JFK to try to win in Vietnam and then failed, so JFK basically died for nothing due to Johnson's and the CIA's bad judgment. How else to explain someone as power mad as Johnson refusing to run for re-election when he probably could've employed his goons to steal precincts like Joe Kennedy did in '60.

OK, I'll get back to you next November. Here are some questions you can work on over the next year:

Why was evidence sealed for 75 years?

What was Brading doing in the maintenance elevator at the third floor of the Daltex building?

Why did everyone run up the knoll?

Why did about all the witnesses (and a lot of the secret service) say there were three shots and the last two were right on top of each other?

Why did all the Parkland doctors say there was a large hole at the right rear of the skull?

Why does JFK's skull change shape 1/2 second after the first head shot (the second brain matter cloud can be seen, although just barely, by the way)?

Why was the secret service called off the back of the limo before the motorcade even started?

Why weren't windows closed along the route?

Why did the Parkland doctors have the back wound several inches down to where the throat wound could not have been an exit wound?

Why did Johnson want Jackie to ride with him in the motorcade?

Why did the Attourney General Robert Kennedy, a man who should know intimate details, ask Johnson why he had his brother killed?

By the way, if Obama was smart he'd issue an executive order to release the rest of the JFK assassination materials...it may help keep the CIA from doing the same thing to him, people would be watching. Jackie and John John are passed on, Teddy's done, a lot of the killers have died, and Caroline is thinking of joining the administration.

150 posted on 11/25/2008 10:39:44 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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