The Culture of Conspiracy [JFK assassination and media whitewashing/deflection of commie angle]

Wall Street Journal (2007) ^ | NOVEMBER 24, 2007 | JAMES PIERESON

[ETL]

This week is the anniversary of the tragic day in 1963 [11/22/63, 35 years ago today] when John F. Kennedy was assassinated on the streets of Dallas. Looking back, we can see that Kennedy's death marked a turning point, when the political consensus of the time gave way to the confrontational politics that we associate with the 1960s. The upheavals that followed -- along with the bitter partisanship that disfigured political life in the last third of the century, and whose echoes we still hear today -- can be traced back to that day in Dallas.

The terrorist attack of Sept. 11, 2001, is the only other event in the modern era that compares with the Kennedy assassination in terms of its shattering impact on public opinion. And there are parallels: The 9/11 attacks, like the Kennedy case, stimulated conspiracy theories claiming that either the U.S. government knew what was coming, or that somehow America itself was responsible.

[word_warrior_bob]

Did you read the recent posts, one of these guys is claiming that the computer re-creations are all rigged to point to Oswald, they’re in on the “cult of government” conspiracy to pin it on Oswald.

I also saw that ALASKA is on the UFO ping list, shocking.

[Shooter 2.5]

I noticed some of the nutters when confronted with facts behave like they were told by a doctor they were going to die. They exhibit the same seven steps such as shock, denial, anger.. etc.

I have often wondered why these people cling to such ridiculous notions and I have a guess on that. I think they have such pitiful lives, they want to be seen as experts or geniuses. If they can somehow refute an expert, they believe that immediately makes them superior to the expert. They also have no need for real facts to do so. A fatal flaw is clinging to one piece of information and not looking if it’s supported by any others.

I also noticed the ones who believe Oswald did it, don’t have an ego. They searched for the truth no matter what it would bring and then accepted what others, photos, drawings or simulations told them and made sure all of it supported each piece of evidence.

I was at Dealy Plaza today. One nutter said there were twelve shooters.

[word_warrior_bob]

Interesting, what would you guess the ratio was nutter to “Oswaldians”? Must be quite a scene on the anniversary, I plan on moving to the Dallas Ft. Worth area. I think you said they closed the sniper’s perch? I would love to check it out.

[ChessExpert]

Kennedy was anti-communist. He was shot by a communist.

Bonus round. What other President was anti-communist, cut taxes to stimulate output and increase tax revenues, and was shot?

[ALASKA]

Yes, I have read all three. I tried to get Bugliosi’s book four years ago when it was first announced that it was being released. I have done “homework” on both sides of this subject and I still have questions. Maybe I am just not as gullible as you. I have an acquiring mind. Very little about the assassination has been “debunked”. I do not believe anything other than homicidal terrorists attacked the WTC and the Pentagon.

I am willing to bet that I have done more “research” on the subject than you, so please don’t tell me what I NEED to do. You have your opinion and I have mine. That is the beauty of living in this great country of ours.

Here’s a hint to you.........talk to the doctor who helped remove JFK from the limo like I have, ask him what he saw and what his professional opinion is about the head wound and come to your own conclusion.

You make me laugh. YOU are parroting, not I. I can Google that and get a hundred different answers. The thing is, I don’t just pick and choose those that I want to believe. Just because YOU don’t believe there was a conspiracy doesn’t mean there wasn’t one. You overestimate your influence....

[Shooter 2.5]

It’s very hard to say. Most have no idea and they’re just tourists. They were told it was interesting so they go there to just say they were there.

I have to say, the nutters outnumber the Oswalds. The nutters have to reinforce their religion by appearing. The Oswalds say he did it and move on and don’t give it a second thought.

It was a little crazy more than usual. The anti-Federal Reserve people were there and some black ultra militants were there. Some brain dead hippie type was ridiculing the Blacks and they were polite. I think an undercover cop called it in so immediately three police cars showed up.
Personally, I was on the side of the Blacks. No one should have put up with that ridicule. The hippie needed someone to kick his ass.

This time I was accused of being FBI by the nuts. Last time I was accused of being FBI or CIA. If you’re going to be called a name, I would have chosen those. Kinda cool.

[word_warrior_bob]

Maybe I am just not as gullible as you. I have an acquiring mind. Very little about the assassination has been “debunked”.

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LOL, you have an “acquiring” mind all right, you acquire a lot of crap in it!

The head wound came from the rear, anyone who suggests otherwise is uneducated, end of story.

Yes, there is tons of information, I don’t pick and choose what I want to believe to support my suppositions - LIKE YOU, I gobbled up everything I could read about it and came to a rational, logical, conclusion.

I have what is known in some parlance as a “DISCERNING”, or “INQUIRING” mind, LOL.

As for me “overestimating my influence” Um, yeah, ok, where you’re getting that I don’t know....excuse me while I open a pack of Morleys...sleep well ALASKA, we know you’re on the UFO ping list...among other things....sleep well....sleep well.

[word_warrior_bob]

This time I was accused of being FBI by the nuts. Last time I was accused of being FBI or CIA. If you’re going to be called a name, I would have chosen those. Kinda cool.

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That’s the price you pay for looking normal in that crowd! You should have started whispering into your hand and covering your earpiece. I’m sure the overly delusional are thinking they’re being monitored because they’re “On The Trail Of The Assasins”

[ALASKA]

Yep, and YOU fit the profile of one who accepts whatever is put in front of him.

EVERYTHING you wrote in this post has been disputed. (It's Connally, not Connelly by the way) I'm not going to go through your "facts" one by one b/c I'm tired of your arrogance and condescension, but for one thing, the timing of the shots was 5.3 seconds, NOT 8.6 seconds.

As you were..........

[ALASKA]

The "acquiring" was intentional, I really didn't expect you to realize that.

And your "slam" about the UFO ping list does not bother me in the least. Anyone who thinks we could possibly be the only beings in God's entire universe is "uneducated' and egocentric...."end of story".

...........as you were....again.

[ALASKA]

The "sniper's nest" (The Sixth Floor Museum) was open when I was there for the Dallas Press Club Katy awards earlier this week. The actual area is enclosed by a plastic barrier. While I was there I talked to Jim Leavelle (handcuffed to Oswald when he was shot) for 30 minutes, and to Buell Frazier (for 30 minutes) who drove Oswald to work that day.

You're moving here??

[word_warrior_bob]

Once again, you ignore the realities of science and what it would take to get here.

There is not ONE SCINTILLA of evidence that other planets have visited us, do you believe the millions of people who said they were abducted by UFO’s?

[word_warrior_bob]

You’re DEEP into the “in” crowd! Can you summarize their thoughts?

I’m gettin’ to Texas as soon as I can, I’ve got family and loose ends here but I’m thoroughly disgusted with Jersey and Texas is the best state in the union.

[ALASKA]

And once again you look at things with a closed mind.

I have no opinion about the "millions" who claim to have been abducted. I do believe there is the possibilty that we have been, and are being, visited by beings from civilizations far more advanced than us scientifically and technologically.

Please, tell me about the "realities of science"...........God's language. You seem to be putting limitations on what God can do.

[ALASKA]

I’m gettin’ to Texas as soon as I can, I’ve got family and loose ends here but I’m thoroughly disgusted with Jersey and Texas is the best state in the union

Born and raised here. I guess we agree on one thing...........

[word_warrior_bob]

Don’t mix up God with flying saucers and possible Alien Abductions, which are fantasies derived from popular culture and implanted memories from the scum of the earth hypnotherapists who also convinced many people that their white bread parents were conducting Satanic rituals in their basements and sacrificing infants on Satanic altars and raping them every day until they were 18 years old, and they only can “recall” the memories now that they’re 40 and miserable.

There have been ZERO Alien Abductions and there is still ZERO hard evidence of us being visited from outer space despite tens of millions of video cameras throughout the world.

Kind of like how ALL the evidence STILL points to Oswald, and the most investigated crime in the history of crime STILL hasn’t proven a “conspiracy”.

You want a “real” conspiracy, something to sink your teeth into that hasn’t been debunked 100 times, watch this video.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=yuri+bezmenov&emb=1#

There is REAL evidence of leftist infiltration into our schools, media, etc. You can see it every day, the commies helped set the wheels in motion and now it has momentum of it’s own, like a glacier, ready to ruin our liberties.

[ALASKA]

word_weary_bob, Look back at what I've posted. I have said NOTHING about abductions, other than I have no opinion. You are the one who seems to be obsessed with it.

Relax.......

[word_warrior_bob]

You mentioned that it’s “possible”, hence my response.

It all goes to the larger picture of looking for the most likely, rational and scientifically provable theories when applying it to anything, like politics, murders, UFO abductions, etc.

I just solved the abduction “mystery” for you, so you can take it down from “possible” to out and out moonbattery. ; ) With the caveat that anything is “possible”.

When there is hard evidence of Aliens visiting our planet or a conspiracy to kill JFK, I will believe it. Until then, no dice.

[ALASKA]

Read my posts again. I NEVER said anything about the possibility of abductions........NEVER.

You have your beliefs, I have mine. We're going to have to agree to disagree. That is one of the great things about living where we do and being one of God's creatures.

[word_warrior_bob]

I do believe there is the possibilty that we have been, and are being, visited by beings from civilizations far more advanced than us scientifically and technologically.

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I asked you about abductions and this was your response, if you want to parse words, fine. To me, if I ask someone about abductions and this is their answer, I would conclude that they think it’s “possible”

To say you NEVER said anything about the possibility of abductions after reading this quote from you would be disingenous. No problem though, if you want to clarify that you don’t believe in abductions I’ll take you at your word.