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New Fears Arise in Michigan
Neq York Times ^

Posted on 11/22/2008 7:53:40 PM PST by mathwhizz

“You just sit and you worry,” said Pat Weber, a construction administrator in Fennville who was laid off more than a year ago. “In the last year, I’ve put in for more than 100 jobs. I stopped counting after 110. It’s just so defeating.”

All around Fennville and its neighbors here in southwest Michigan, front lawns are peppered with for-sale signs and merchants complain about slow days. But while this remains a beautiful place with none of the obvious blight of Detroit on the other side of the state, residents say the hardship beneath the surface is very real.

It is the same story in other parts of Michigan, as the state’s already entrenched recession — in at least its fifth year, according to economic experts — digs deeper as a result of the recent global financial crisis.

New data show the state’s unemployment rate crept up to 9.3 percent, almost three times what it was in 2000, and, along with Rhode Island, the highest in the country. Just last week, Herman Miller Inc., an office furniture company based in Zeeland, Mich., announced that it would eliminate or lay off 400 to 650 workers, many of them in western Michigan. SKD Automotive, an auto parts manufacturer in Jonesville, Mich., where it is the largest employer, indicated it would eliminate 300 jobs.

As a result of the steady job losses that began in the summer of 2000, 1.82 million Michigan residents, or close to 20 percent of the population, are now on some form of public assistance, including food stamps and home heating credits, a record for the state.

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To: Hot Tabasco

Because salaries depend on the Value of the Marginal Product. We are talking about areas where no competent workers who desire work are unemployed. If you go there and offer to work for less than the Value of your Marginal Product, you will be hired.


141 posted on 11/23/2008 7:27:24 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
My husband and I went there recently on a school field trip. It was pretty neat.

Good luck with your job search!

142 posted on 11/23/2008 7:31:18 PM PST by Dianna
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To: grellis
The families that moved to CA had no money to buy or rent a home, and there were no real job prospects. They ended up living in absolute squalor, tent villages with other dustbowl migrant families. No electricity, no running water, no plumbing of any kind.

Yet, somehow my family survived :)

143 posted on 11/23/2008 7:33:21 PM PST by Dianna
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To: mdmathis6
The only way to defeat card check is for a majority of workers to openly say they won’t go union and reverse pressure the minority when goons threaten the majority when they don’t go along with the union plans

Union membership has been nosediving for at least 25 years. Even in Michigan Union membership has declined significantly. The UAW has seen its membership plummet from a high of almost 1.7 million to under 450,000. Card check is not going to save the unions. Most workers do not want unions and intrinsically understand that unionization means a loss of jobs.

144 posted on 11/23/2008 7:33:43 PM PST by CharacterCounts (1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.)
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To: FJB2; netmilsmom
I live in the New Orleans metro area. I know a little something about difficulties. And I know that creating artificial reasons(Texans won’t like us) about why something can’t be done doesn’t get one’s life in order

You are an unemployed 40 +, undeducated production worker who lost their job after 15 to 20 + years with your plant. You have a mortgage on maybe a 60 - 100 thousand dollar house and a car payment and kids in high school. The unskilled job you were working paid you around $19 - $21 per hour which allowed you to pay the above as well as all your utilities and save a little.

You just lost your job!

If you say sell the house then you are telling that Eastpointe resident to move back into the crack neighborhood in Detroit that he moved out of...........

If you are suggesting that this now unemployed, unskilled production worker move out of state, what makes you think he can find a job out of state when he has to compete with equally unskilled individuals already living in that particular area?

And if you suggest that this person can find any job if he/she is willing to work minimum wage then I must remind you that it has always been the conservative republican argument that minimum wage was never intended to support and raise a family, it was for entry level training only........

145 posted on 11/23/2008 7:41:13 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson)
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To: FJB2
I live in the New Orleans metro area.

And you are criticizing people living in Michigan? As bad as Michigan is, its got a long way to go to become the pit New Orleans is.

146 posted on 11/23/2008 7:44:53 PM PST by CharacterCounts (1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stay strong fellow Texans, support our businesses, encourage them, keep on keeping on.


147 posted on 11/23/2008 7:46:48 PM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: mathwhizz
New Fears Arise in Michigan

You mean the fear that the Wolverines may never again beat Ohio State?

148 posted on 11/23/2008 7:47:30 PM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: netmilsmom

You’ve probably already done this, but I’ll mention it anyway. If you have family or friends out of state, have your husband check out those areas. At least he might have a place to stay while he looks and a local recommendation.


149 posted on 11/23/2008 7:48:29 PM PST by Dianna
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To: dfwgator
You mean the fear that the Wolverines may never again beat Ohio State?

Ohio State? Hah! Right now we are worried about them beating Toledo.

150 posted on 11/23/2008 7:52:35 PM PST by CharacterCounts (1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, not a how-to manual.)
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To: CharacterCounts

Well the good news is that the Wolverines could beat the Detroit Lions.


151 posted on 11/23/2008 7:56:21 PM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: CharacterCounts

I criticized those in N.O. as well. But there are many of us who have and still are getting back on our feet on our own.

BTW, I was only criticizing the unfounded reasons to not move on, namely the idea that Texans would somehow mistreat people who moved from Michigan as was posted earlier.


152 posted on 11/23/2008 8:05:15 PM PST by Round 9
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To: Hot Tabasco

That was not my argument. I understand when real difficulties lay in one’s path. I was critical of those who pile on imagined difficulties to the list. Especially when it was an absolutely unfounded assumption about the fine folks in Texas.


153 posted on 11/23/2008 8:07:51 PM PST by Round 9
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To: FJB2; netmilsmom
I was critical of those who pile on imagined difficulties to the list. Especially when it was an absolutely unfounded assumption about the fine folks in Texas.

Not unfounded and not imagined.

154 posted on 11/23/2008 9:12:14 PM PST by madison10
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To: bergmeid

“How about looking for work in another state? Hm?”

I have a friend from MI who does exactly that. Over the past few years he’d travel to areas (HI/LVNV) where the construction trade was bustling. No need to stay in MI whining if there aren’t any jobs there.


155 posted on 11/23/2008 9:15:08 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: bergmeid

my neighbor tried that. got laid off and found a job in another state. couldn’t sell the house so he left his wife there to take care of it, still couldn’t sell it, dropped the price og the house by $45,000 from original asking price.. its still on the market.
when there’s no one buying up houses, its hard to sell yours so you can leave.


156 posted on 11/24/2008 4:31:39 AM PST by absolootezer0 ( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
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To: FJB2; Hot Tabasco; madison10

You have the sympathy of a gnat and are too thick to understand when you are told you are being crass.

FEMA ain’t comin’ to bail us out Sweetheart, No nice trailers in other areas. Millions from churches are not coming into our states, including YOUR pocket (because mine gave to you) We are on our own.

I have el zippo sympathy for you people who sat in the way of a hurricane and then bitched when it hit ya. And if you think the lovely people of Texas were thrilled to pieces when all the refugees from NO invaded on them, you’re nuts. You should have seen the threads here. They are polite but how much can they take?

Best to be silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and be one.


157 posted on 11/24/2008 4:57:32 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: mathwhizz

“....as the state’s already entrenched recession — in at least its fifth year,...”

Blown away yet?


158 posted on 11/24/2008 4:58:04 AM PST by CSM (IÂ’m jubilant! Now that the Dems are completely in charge, we can FINALLY blame THEM for everything!)
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To: EDINVA; madison10

>>No need to stay in MI whining if there aren’t any jobs there.<<

(OMG this thread is amazing)

Whining. Please read the thread before you start with such ignorance.

Not everyone is a construction worker, thank you.


159 posted on 11/24/2008 4:59:34 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: CSM

>>Blown away yet?<<

LOLOLOL!
Yep, just like Hurricane Katrina.


160 posted on 11/24/2008 5:00:21 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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