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Mormon aid to Prop. 8 investigated (Gestapo)
SFGate ^ | 11/24/08 | na

Posted on 11/24/2008 6:48:48 PM PST by Drango

California officials are planning to investigate whether the Mormon church gave an accurate accounting of its role in the campaign that succeeded in getting a same-sex marriage ban approved in the state.

The action by the California Fair Political Practices Commission came in response to a complaint filed two weeks ago by a gay rights activist. Fred Karger, founder of Californians Against Hate, accuses the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of failing to report the value of the work it did to support Proposition 8. Roman Porter, the agency's executive director, said Monday that the decision to open an investigation does not mean staff members have determined there was any wrongdoing, only that Karger's complaint merits further inquiry.

A representative from the Salt Lake City-based church could not be reached for comment.

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To: Drango
Can you imagine them investigating an anti-8 group's political donations? Of course not! This is clearly intended to chill speech of those who the powers that be don't approve of. Its as subtle as a bull charging through a china shop!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

21 posted on 11/24/2008 8:08:30 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Drango

bump


22 posted on 11/24/2008 8:09:10 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA

The Family: A Proclamation to the World

The First Presidency and Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

September 23, 1995

http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html


23 posted on 11/24/2008 8:15:23 PM PST by restornu
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To: St. Louis Conservative
“Californians Against Hate” sounds like an Orwellian organization. “Hate” apparently is not wanting marriage to be redefined.

To Liberals "hate" means disagreement with Liberalism. It's like when they say "hate speech" or "hate radio". So, in that sense, the group's name is honest. It is against anyone who disagrees with them. Homosexuals are all about euphemisms; "gay" actually means happy, "lesbian" is a person who resides on the Greek island of Lesbos, and the rainbow doesn't represents them.

24 posted on 11/24/2008 8:16:21 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Drango

Do Mormans believe in the right to bear arms? I sure hope they do.


25 posted on 11/24/2008 8:36:31 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: fallingwater; Drango

I don’t agree with Mormon Theology, either, but I do like that heavily Mormon areas are low crime and conservative strong holds. Mitt would have made a good president. Much better than the fraud we are stuck with.


26 posted on 11/24/2008 8:39:48 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: FreeAtlanta
"Do Mormans believe in the right to bear arms? I sure hope they do."

On a cultural level, most do and plenty own guns.

On a doctrinal level, also very much so. The following is believed to be the word of the Lord. Let's not debate if it is, just showing that it is believed to be by the Latter-day Saints.

Reference
"47 And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion. "

27 posted on 11/24/2008 9:04:09 PM PST by acipher
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To: St. Louis Conservative

http://www.californiansagainsthate.com/dishonorRoll.html


29 posted on 11/24/2008 9:35:28 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Drango

Dont take this as criticism but as commentary...but what does it say about the current state of Christendom when a non-orthodox christian group leads Christendom in a very public campaign?


30 posted on 11/24/2008 9:36:52 PM PST by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The ONLY reason for such a list is for the gaystopo to launch a modern day kristallnacht against people of faith.


31 posted on 11/24/2008 10:01:16 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

True.


32 posted on 11/25/2008 7:02:07 AM PST by Andy'smom
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Don’t what your post was about, but leave me off your ping list whatever it is.


34 posted on 11/25/2008 8:21:56 AM PST by ansel12 ( When a conservative pundit mocks Wasilla, he's mocking conservatism as it's actually lived.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Come on, greyfoxx. You're getting slow. It took you 33 posts to call out your Mormon-bashing buddies?

It must be too early in the morning, I guess.

35 posted on 11/25/2008 8:27:05 AM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: TChris
I thought I'd let the whining get a head start..you do it so well! (And SO often)

Especially the part where the "gestapo" comes and rounds you up and carts you off to the death camps!

It's baffling the way the mormon church thought that CA, of all places, was UT and they could practice their usual heavy-handed control over the state government without a pushback.

The LDS PR machine made a major misstep by jumping up front and center and taking the credit, and the gays aren't going to let them forget it...look for several years of law suits, and Joseph Smith and/or "persecuted blacks" (especially with Obama in office) movies, documentaries etc. coming out of Hollywood.

I'll be sitting back eating popcorn and laughing! So long to Mitt's chance of gaining the White House!

36 posted on 11/25/2008 8:42:06 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Tagline on vacation during the grand experiment.)
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To: Drango
Kinda wonder why the evangelical movement was relatively silent on the issue?

Wow! You were eavesdropping on all CA Evangelicals and Evangelical leaders? You monitored all Voters' Guides that went out from all CA Evangelical churches?

California has more Christians than any other state (not % wise -- that's actually pretty low; just sheer numbers). Believe me, had the Evangelicals remained "silent" as your audacity of deceit claims, then Prop 8 wouldn't have passed.

It took an effective coalition of Catholics, Mormons, Evangelicals, mainline Protestants, and, as we saw with the voting results, minority voters. Even the O-man "contributed" indirectly -- as his presence on the ballot drove up minority voter turnout, who in turn, tended to vote for Prop 8.

If you're going to make your "relatively silent" claim, then I would wager your evidential proof is likewise based upon an argument from silence.

37 posted on 11/25/2008 8:48:31 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: JustTheTruth
Is it possible that they'll find a volunteer who held a meeting or had a conversation about the topic in a church building? Yes, it is possible, but from any legal standpoint it would be established as a diminimus, insignificant violation of the church's own policy on formal political involvement. If such minor policy violations were established, it would clearly not represent a legal problem for the church, but the opponents would take it, amplify and distort it, and otherwise make a mountain out of a molehill. Count on it.

OK, this kind of almost-cowering language is exactly what those folks want LDS to do...intimidate the LDS Church into silence on speaking out on moral/social issues the next time this comes down the pike. Don't do it. We're not talking about partisan candidates here. We're talking about moral/social issues and God has given every American the right to speak out on moral/social issues.

The LDS Church has few paid clergy... it is almost all volunteer...The workers/volunteers who did the work for Prop 8's passage, like those who donated $$, did so as private individuals who share a common private membership in a church which took a stand on this as a moral, social issue.

OK, point taken, but there's nothing wrong with Mormon leaders speaking out on moral/social issues -- no matter what the context. (They do it all the time)

...from the level of the local clergy up to (at least) the next level or two of the organizational structure, none of them get paid or work on "church time." One has to go pretty high up to find someone in the church (other than in seminaries or "unrelated" church-owned businesses) who is somehow on the payroll...

Well, while this is true salary wise, stipend reimbursement for many LDS "volunteer" bishops can be quite steep. (For one, for example, $40,000 in 1993 monetary terms). That's not to stay bishops don't incur expenses; they do. It's just that they seem to be well "compensated."

38 posted on 11/25/2008 8:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: FreeAtlanta
but I do like that heavily Mormon areas are low crime.

Sorry, but Salt Lake City has been a white-collar crime mecca for decades.

39 posted on 11/25/2008 9:00:56 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: TChris; greyfoxx39
It took you 33 posts to call out your Mormon-bashing buddies?

Wow, TC! Somebody doesn't even have to post anything, and you're "on" them bashing them as "bashers."

(Oh, and ya wanna explain why you have some special license to "bash" that otherwise would lump you in as one?)

40 posted on 11/25/2008 9:04:55 AM PST by Colofornian
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