Posted on 11/25/2008 10:22:41 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
Yes, when you can declare yourself the winner of a debate by definition I guess you can win. Congratulations.
This discovery does not prove--or even deal with--any particular gods or demons. It is just science making astounding progress--as usual.
It is sometimes known as hubris!
We already kind of figured that out about you coyote, its not like its something you try to hide.
I mentioned SETI.
Is SETI science?
That way Orangutangs end up with some "code" in common with humans that the Chimps and Gorillas don't have, and vice versa.
Just one darned thing after the other Fur Shur.
Makes it very difficult to figure out how far removed we all might be ~ if, in fact, we are "removed".
Eventually someone is going to do an experiment and come up with viable cross-breeds all across the spectrum.
You are nuts, you know. You are making stuff up.
http://bioweb.uwlax.edu/bio203/s2008/ahrens_just/classification.htm
exactly as is posted on this site.
OK, I'll take the bait:
The first 3 are non-falsifiable, as you claim, but require faith. However, what of the last. The very crux of Christianity, and all that goes with it, lies in this simple truth. If Christ be not raised, the Christian faith is futile, foolish, and dangerous! However, if he did raise from the dead, then his claims must be true, including the first 3. Thus, the claims of John 1:1-9, Colossians 1:16, et al must be true. The New Testament is falsifiable, then, based on historical, manuscript, and internal evidences. Now, since we all spend so much time debating Evo and Creo, we must get to the root: where did life begin, and from whence did matter come? All else is moot, for they hinge on the answer to these 2 questions.
Finally, have you seriously, and investigatively, considered the claims of Jesus? Did Jesus rise from the dead???
As evidenced by the fact that they know at all, and are self-aware.
That’s “old news”. The anomalies involving humans and orangs have been known for a century or so. I thought analysis of the genomes had demonstrated the validity of the observations, PLUS, lots of on again, off again hanky panky with all three species of modern chimps, and probably with some now extinct species. In the meantime check this out (They are rioting now, and this could get to be very entertaining by the time New Years Eve comes around)
http://www.icelandtotal.com/home/vacations/special_offers/
Interesting link. I’m kind of curious, though, how “anomalies” noticed a hundred years before genome decoding are relevant to a current debate.
1: Hum Mutat. 2007 Feb;28(2):99-130. Links
Understanding the recent evolution of the human genome: insights from human-chimpanzee genome comparisons
Hmmm?
I thought I covered myself by pointing to the geneal finding that humans and chimps (and maybe others) spent a long time developing their own species with appropriate breeding incompatibilities.
Still, we do not now have a total analysis of all the genomes in all the species in our little group.
Nope. Only that life was designed. Nothing in it about a designer.
Science may have puzzles before it -- CONSTANTLY. How do these puzzles somehow postulate an intelligent designer or the hand of a creator?
And the answers to those puzzles are often shocking and get pushed back by the scientific community, from Faraday's shocking notion that forces could travel in circles to Einstein's earth-shattering concept that time itself can flow at different rates. You don't seem to grasp how hard it was to accept earlier discoveries--how the very fabric of scientific understanding would come undone if science allowed for X, whether it be forces that did not move in a straight line, time not moving in lockstep everywhere, or a universe with a beginning. Now X is the idea of design. It isn't the 19th century anymore, and science isn't quibbling with what seems fairly straightforward today. We have surpassed hurdles of acceptance to the point that the idea that the subatomic universe is made up of multidimensional vibrating strings is taken seriously.
Now we are faced with a universe of finite age with fine-tuned constants, and we're in an increasingly unusual place within it, on a planet with seemingly unique properties, with an ever increasing view on the complexity of life, first to the cell, and now to a network of genetic information within DNA itself. And now with this article, we have proteins that appear to have advance knowledge of future evolution, making it increasingly difficult to explain through non-design origins.
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Could well be the inspiration behind this latest discovery. No doubt there will be more such discoveries, and eventually someone will come up with a generalized thesis describing what's up with these proteins, and "how they know that they know".
I anxiously await the first doctoral award in this exciting new field!
I sense some derision in your answer. Will you answer the question which I put to you? My response to you is simply following science where it takes me. Do you have a better naturalistic, materialistic answer? If you do, I am very interested in your answer.
I am not interested in 'winning a debate'. I am interested in the truth. You are a smart guy. I have read much of your musings. If you have an answer, please tell me.
It seems scientifically verifiable that there cannot be a scientific eplaination for the first state of the universe. Since it's first state cannot be explained in terms of earlier initial conditions and natural laws leading up to, it seem to to mandate an uncaused cause. Science cannot delve into this realm, don't you agree? If that is so, then a personal decision to create rather than remain in abject nothingness was made. That is, a volitional agent made a decision to create the universe. And since the creation of the uiverse transends time and space, it cannot be a physical reality. That leaves two types of things....timeless and immaterial (nonmaterial). It sounds a lot like an eternal spirit. If you can explain it otherwise, I want to know.
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