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Kids Told Not to Dress as 'Indians' at Plimoth Plantation
CNSNews.com ^ | 11/27/08 | Sara Burrows

Posted on 11/27/2008 4:16:10 AM PST by Bulldawg Fan

Wampanoag Indians in a History Channel scene, filmed at Plimoth Plantation (AP Photo) (CNSNews.com) – A nine-year-old girl was recently asked to remove her “Indian” costume before entering the Wampanoag Homesite of the Plimoth Plantation, a historical site that allows visitors to experience Plymouth, Mass., as it was in the 17th century.

The outdoor museum features a 1627 English village beside a Wampanoag home site. The purpose of the museum is to educate visitors (school-children and adults) about what happened between the Native Americans and the colonists, especially during the first Thanksgiving.

The nine-year-old was one of thousands who flock to the colonial museum during the Thanksgiving season. She dressed as an Indian and her friend dressed as a pilgrim to celebrate the occasion.

Linda Coombs, associate director of the Wampanoag Indigenous Program, asked the girl to remove her homemade beaded costume before visiting the site, reducing the child to tears and upsetting her mother, the Boston Globe reported on Nov. 24.

“Native people find it offensive when they see a non-native person dressed up and playing Indian. It’s perceived as us being made fun of,” Coombs told CNSNews.com.

Coombs said she understands it was not the girl’s intention to be offensive – that she was only trying to “honor the Indians.”

“I could see that she’d put a lot of effort into making this dress and that it meant something to her … I could see by taking this dress off, I was dashing this whole thing that was going on in her mind,” Coombs said.

So she gave her a necklace from the gift shop in exchange.

“I wanted to acknowledge that she was giving up something that meant something to her and that I could appreciate everything she was feeling,” said Coombs. “Typically, in our culture, you give something away to show you appreciate what someone else has given up. And I wanted to mark that moment with her.”

Coombs said good intentions do not matter because she and the other Native staff members perceive the costumes as mockery before the wearer has a chance to explain his or her intent.

“Costumes are offensive because of what has happened in history – the Hollywood pseudo Indians, the Italian actors playing Indians, the crappy dress they put them in, the Halloween costumes. When other people dress up as Native people it’s offensive, period,” Coombs said.

She compared people wearing Native American costumes to white entertainers who put on blackface in old minstrel shows.

Visitors to the Wampanoag home site are asked not only to refrain from dressing up like “Indians” – they are asked not to use words like “how” or “chief” or “squaw.”

Cultural sensitivity requests are posted on signs in front of the museum and on their Web site, plimoth.org.

The Web site also advises visitors not to refer to the Wampanoag people as either Indians or Native Americans. “The term Native American suggests that Native People were always American but this country was populated by Native People long before it was called America,” the site states.

Instead, they prefer to be called Native People or Indigenous People.

Guests are asked not to engage in stereotypical “Indian” behavior, such as war-whooping and dancing around the fire.

The museum also requests that people not ask questions like, “Are you a real Indian?” Not just because of the word “Indian,” but because of the world “real.”

“The tour guides here are real people, Native people. Our nationalities are not fodder for joke material, because then you get into the aspect of racism and historical erasure,” Coombs said.

Most people have no idea that what they say or wear might be hurtful, insulting or offensive, she said.

“That’s why we’re trying to educate people about our culture and to correct stereotypes and wrong information,” she said. “We’re here to make a bridge between people, not to just send them packing.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: americanindians; historyeducation; idiots; pilgrims; thanksgiving
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Dont do this, dont do that, dont say this, dont say that.......

I bet they dont mind collecting American money for an entrance charge. My suggestion is either to offer them "Native Peoples" currency or if they won't take that, just stay home.

1 posted on 11/27/2008 4:16:10 AM PST by Bulldawg Fan
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To: Bulldawg Fan

The offending moonbat berating little children

2 posted on 11/27/2008 4:21:29 AM PST by Popman (Dont worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

I can understand the “Chief”, “Squaw” and “How” being rude...but sometimes you just have to get over it. I doubt any of the “Real” Indians there live in Tepees or eat stewed dog....


3 posted on 11/27/2008 4:22:52 AM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

PUKE!!!!


4 posted on 11/27/2008 4:24:03 AM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Sounds like it’s time to take ones wampum elsewhere. Plimoth Plantation is supposed to be an enjoyable experience, not a jackbooted fascist PC camp.


5 posted on 11/27/2008 4:25:57 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Bulldawg Fan
Instead, they prefer to be called Native People or Indigenous People.

Complete and utter BS. I've done a lot of work out on the REAL reservations in Arizona, New Mexico, Montana, and South Dakota, and up in Alaska Native villages, and guess what? Indians call themselves Indians and have no problem with that term. The only ones who do are the pompous self-appointed "leaders" who peddle this politically correct non-sense to promote their own self-serving agendas.

6 posted on 11/27/2008 4:26:14 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

and for no particular reason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsCEtIz8_Ao


7 posted on 11/27/2008 4:29:29 AM PST by Vaquero
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To: Dallas59

They sure as hell don’t. The Wampanoags are more interested these days in getting their casino built.


8 posted on 11/27/2008 4:30:03 AM PST by Andy'smom
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To: Bulldawg Fan
"Native people find it offensive when they see a non-native person dressed up and playing Indian"

1. The kid *is* a native American, she was born here, you savage.

2. We native Americans find it offensive when you Indians dress like Europeans, so strip, Squeals Like a Pig.

3. On second thought, cancel #2, you fat loser.

9 posted on 11/27/2008 4:30:28 AM PST by TonyStark
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To: Bulldawg Fan
Jeez, lady......get over yourself already.
10 posted on 11/27/2008 4:34:11 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Bulldawg Fan
Native peoples my behind.


This ugly cow is offensive just standing there with it's mouth shut.

11 posted on 11/27/2008 4:35:20 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: Bulldawg Fan
"Kids Told Not to Dress as 'Indians' at Plimoth Plantation"

Meanwhile, the indians dictating this crap stand there in T-shirts and jeans.

If we can't dress like Indians, then the Indians need to stop dressing like "white eyes".
12 posted on 11/27/2008 4:37:32 AM PST by FrankR (Where's Waldo ([W]here [A]re [L]egal [D]ocuments [O]bama? (i.e. birth certificate))
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To: Popman

Based on that picture, she’s ugly on the outside as well as inside. Hassling 9-year-olds and expecting donations. I wonder how much “Great White Father” money was used to build this little paradise she is in charge of.


13 posted on 11/27/2008 4:38:20 AM PST by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: Popman
“Coombs said good intentions do not matter because she and the other Native staff members perceive the costumes as mockery before the wearer has a chance to explain his or her intent.”
Show me the Constitutional right to not be offended or shut the F**K up.
14 posted on 11/27/2008 4:41:26 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 23)
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To: Bulldawg Fan
Linda Coombs, associate director of the Wampanoag Indigenous Program, asked the girl to remove her homemade beaded costume before visiting the site, reducing the child to tears and upsetting her mother, the Boston Globe reported on Nov. 24.

“Native people find it offensive when they see a non-native person dressed up and playing Indian. It’s perceived as us being made fun of,”

So she gave her a necklace from the gift shop in exchange.

You don't want white people dressing like Indians, yet you have a gift shop selling Indian apparel?

Hypocrite!

15 posted on 11/27/2008 4:41:49 AM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Bulldawg Fan
My suggestion is either to offer them "Native Peoples" currency or if they won't take that, just stay home.

Bring some beads or a little pipe tobacco as an entrance fee. If they don't accept it, accuse the pseudo-indians of racism.

16 posted on 11/27/2008 4:45:09 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: Popman

I'm offended that this Indian is wearing my native US american dress. She should take it off.

On second thought ...

17 posted on 11/27/2008 4:51:16 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: G.Mason

The rack on that squaw’s seen many moons...


18 posted on 11/27/2008 4:52:29 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: nonsporting

You're busted kid!

19 posted on 11/27/2008 4:53:30 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites

LOL!


20 posted on 11/27/2008 4:55:06 AM PST by Andy'smom
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To: Bulldawg Fan

“Coombs said she understands it was not the girl’s intention to be offensive – that she was only trying to “honor the Indians.”

How about that, the commissar of Indian Culture sees offense where there is none and shows no “sensitivity” to a young girl. She could have made this a pleasant and memorable experience for the girl, she chose to make it an unpleasant experience .... the girl, and her family, will now associate the plantation with “that donkey”. What a bitter, sad woman this Coombs must be.


21 posted on 11/27/2008 4:58:32 AM PST by Peter Horry (Mount Up Everybody and Ride to the Sound of the Guns .. Pat Buchanan)
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To: Dallas59

The offended should also remove their flush toilets and stop using tampons.


22 posted on 11/27/2008 4:59:11 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Popman
Does she think she would have gotten so morbidly obese if the round-eyes hadn't invaded “her” country?

She probably would have never been hatched.

I'm part injun myself and find this pig sickening.

23 posted on 11/27/2008 5:01:31 AM PST by Into the Vortex
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To: Bulldawg Fan
The use of the word “indigenous” is totally inappropriate. All human beings are indigenous to Africa, and spread across the world from there. The only difference between the migration from Asia and the migration from Europe is that the Europeans had the inclination and where with all to make a record of it.
24 posted on 11/27/2008 5:12:07 AM PST by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Popman; dighton; aculeus; martin_fierro; Jeremiah Jr
The offending moonbat ...

Yeah no kidding. My eyes! My eyes!

25 posted on 11/27/2008 5:15:19 AM PST by Ezekiel (Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

She should be fired; then close down the whole operation, and use it to teach the “Mayflower Compact”


26 posted on 11/27/2008 5:22:06 AM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward--Anonymous))
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To: Bulldawg Fan
Linda Coombs

Alan's mother.

He hasn't a wife, but does have a partner.

27 posted on 11/27/2008 5:23:57 AM PST by IbJensen (The fat lady has sung and it was awful. Coming up: Maya Angelou!)
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To: G.Mason

Her real name is probably Hoof In Steaming Pile.

The MOST leftwing of all liberals are those that majored in “Native American Studies”. The school textbook industry is stuffed with them, and they spend a lot of time censoring and editing textbooks.

I forget who the author was (Thought it was Linda Chavez, but can’t find that book in her bibliography) but she talked about how the name of a mountain was edited out of a book, because it was sacred to some tribe and looking at it or saying its name was somehow disrespectful.

Reminds me of the scene in “The Holy Grail” where the Knights Who Say Ni cannot bear to hear the word “it”.


28 posted on 11/27/2008 5:29:35 AM PST by rlmorel ("A barrel of monkeys is not fun. In fact, a barrel of monkeys can be quite terrifying!")
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To: Bulldawg Fan

More White guilt and doing away with another cultural icon - Thanksgiving.


29 posted on 11/27/2008 5:30:00 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: nonsporting

She was almost named “Droops to Bellybutton”


30 posted on 11/27/2008 5:31:05 AM PST by rlmorel ("A barrel of monkeys is not fun. In fact, a barrel of monkeys can be quite terrifying!")
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To: Bulldawg Fan
"...We’re here to make a bridge between people, not to just send them packing..."

Remember. Not JUST to send them packing. If you listen to liberals long enough and carefully enough, they will eventually tell you exactly what they are thinking.

31 posted on 11/27/2008 5:34:21 AM PST by rlmorel ("A barrel of monkeys is not fun. In fact, a barrel of monkeys can be quite terrifying!")
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To: billorites

For sure. Almost enough to put me off the upcoming turkey dinner ... but I shall recover. ;)


32 posted on 11/27/2008 5:40:53 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: rlmorel

LOL ... “Hoof In Steaming Pile” bumps.


33 posted on 11/27/2008 5:41:04 AM PST by G.Mason
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"...Coombs said good intentions do not matter..."

Gee. This from a liberal moonbat? She isn't consistent. To liberals, "good intentions" are a get out of jail free card, for everything from little girls wearing homemade Indian costumes to trillion dollar subprime mortgage meltdowns caused by irreponsible lending.

If word of her comments gets out to here fellow liberals, she is going to realize she is "off the reservation".

Oh, belay that. I forgot that it is okay to deceive, lie and dissemble in order to advance the liberal agenda. "Rules for Radicals" and all that.

Did this article press a button in me today? You bet it did. I live in Massachusetts, and the state government would go right along with this. Now, we have these SAME people who are going to be not just in the State House, but in the White House as well.

34 posted on 11/27/2008 5:42:30 AM PST by rlmorel ("A barrel of monkeys is not fun. In fact, a barrel of monkeys can be quite terrifying!")
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To: Vaquero

Boy, does that bring back memories! Popeye! Greatest cartoon character ever created!


35 posted on 11/27/2008 5:42:31 AM PST by nfldgirl (Tribe Member: 'Runs with Rush')
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To: Bulldawg Fan

...her, and the horse she rode in on!


36 posted on 11/27/2008 5:42:34 AM PST by mathurine
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To: Bulldawg Fan
“Native people find it offensive when they see a non-native person dressed up and playing Indian. It’s perceived as us being made fun of,” Coombs told CNSNews.com.

Unless they are Wade Churchill. I suggest Coombs search the Web for various Powwows and explain the presence of Blue-Eyed Blonde people at them.

Then she can explain the big flap from the '70's when the Mafia tribes became interested in casinos. Local tribes were studied by anthropologists in order to determine tribal status and identities. Nowadays, DNA helps, but in a part of the country where people have been immigrating and interbreeding for centuries, it is not that easy a call because so many characteristics like epicanthal folds have been lost.

It is not impossible that the student may have been more "Indian" than Coombs. Some of the older generations "Looked it" more.

37 posted on 11/27/2008 5:45:26 AM PST by Gorzaloon (Roark, Architect.)
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To: Popman

Guilty!


38 posted on 11/27/2008 5:57:50 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("I love democracy. I love Free Republic")
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Insanity is what that is. Makes the others look bad.


39 posted on 11/27/2008 6:01:50 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Bulldawg Fan; aculeus; Charles Henrickson; dead; dighton; Ezekiel; Lazamataz; mikrofon; ...
“The tour guides here are real people, Native people. Our nationalities are not fodder for joke material, because then you get into the aspect of racism and historical erasure,” Coombs said.
Most people have no idea that what they say or wear might be hurtful, insulting or offensive, she said.
“That’s why we’re trying to educate people about our culture and to correct stereotypes and wrong information,” she said. “We’re here to make a bridge between people, not to just send them packing.”

It's like the least-funnest Indian Casino EVER.

40 posted on 11/27/2008 6:12:49 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

““Native people find it offensive when they see a non-native person dressed up and playing Indian”

I find it offensive when a non-native person dresses up playing European.


41 posted on 11/27/2008 6:16:23 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Bulldawg Fan
And here I was about to give them the benefit of the doubt. The Native part of the Plantation is a working "Indian" village, just as the Pilgrim side is a working settler village. The difference is that the actors in the Pilgrim village respond as if it were 1625 while the Native staff responds modern day.

Had they said, "look, we don't want to confuse the visitors with the staff and if she wore the costume it would introduce an element of confusion for the other guests" then I'd understand it. But they didn't, they gave out that "mocking" excuse.

42 posted on 11/27/2008 6:21:13 AM PST by NonValueAdded (once you get to really know people, there are always better reasons than [race] for despising them.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Indians call themselves Indians and have no problem with that term.

The same's true here in upstate New York, but bear in mind that this woman is a liberal Massachusetts Indian Native American indigenous woman person.

43 posted on 11/27/2008 6:41:15 AM PST by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

“Native people find it offensive when they see a non-native person dressed up and playing Indian. It’s perceived as us being made fun of,” Coombs told CNSNews.com.

Oh, STFU, you pompous, overly sensitive ass! Mom should have said, “No”, and gone on in with her daughter.

Colonel, USAFR


44 posted on 11/27/2008 6:41:32 AM PST by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

This isn’t education.

This is political correctness in the form of cultural elitism running amok once again.

Minorities demand the world ignore facts and historical traditions and percieve their cultures only as they want to be percieved.

And foolish people comply.

Natives weren’t always just peaceful casino managers and importers of Chinese manufactured “authentic” native American jewelry and souveniers.


45 posted on 11/27/2008 6:43:35 AM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself)
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To: IbJensen

Alan Colmes is married to Monica Crowley’s sister


46 posted on 11/27/2008 6:44:27 AM PST by LadyBuzz
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

I want to know when those ‘Nativists’ are shamed for their shabby treatment of our nation’s first immigrants—off of the Mayflower!


47 posted on 11/27/2008 6:45:28 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Bulldawg Fan
Well the Indians ought to just put on sports jackets, dockers and golf shirts and mock us white guys.

That'll fix us!

48 posted on 11/27/2008 6:55:05 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Bulldawg Fan

“Native People” is not accurately correct either as they crossed the land bridge from Russia to Alaska, then migrated south, “First Immigrants” would be the most precise term to use. The Pilgrims would then be the “Second Immigrants. Now that makes for a nice Thanksgiving story. The Second Immigrants and the First Immigrants sharing a harvest meal of Thanksgiving:)


49 posted on 11/27/2008 7:02:19 AM PST by rileyObo (rileyobo)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I was born here. I’m a native American.


50 posted on 11/27/2008 7:28:44 AM PST by scrabblehack
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