Posted on 11/27/2008 8:21:33 PM PST by Diogenesis
Actually tis would be a good time of year to execute that plan. December wind patterns in that region of the globe are generally South Westerly, so any fallout would head for Somalia ... kinda like a twofer. During monsoon. prevailing winds a North easterly, so fallout would rain down on China and the Northern 'Stans' states. Probably not a good idea to piss off the Russians and Chinese.
Spring and Fall not much wind at all, so the target areas would stew in their own juices.
Now, if MP5s are showing up in the terr’s hands, they’re probably not getting them from H&K directly. Pakistan Ordnance Factories has been manufacturing the MP5 under license for years. MP5s were made (and in many cases still are made) under license in Greece, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, France, Mexico and Pakistan. Iran also makes MP5s, but whether these are illegal clones or licensed copies is unclear.
And Great Britain as well, since the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield was stamping out MP5s and G3 rifles out both for British use- the airport guards at Heathrow and Gatwick, among others- and the British SAS and Marine Commandos. But they also provided numerous examples to client states in the former British Empire, and probably a couple of the Gulf States too.
You also left out Norway [Kongsberg] and Portugal as producers of members of the H&K producing nations. While I doubt that former Norwegian AG-3s [a bit more than a quarter million produced by Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk and now themselves being replaced by H&K41s] or MP5s that have now nearly replaced all the old leftover MP40 SMGs used by the Norwegian Armored Force are turning up in terrorist hands, those from FMP Portugal's former African colonies can and have turned up in all sorts of odd places. At least three factories in Sweden turned out license-built H&K arms as well, mostly the Swedish Ak 4 version of the G3A3.
The Iranian Diomil production facility was set up by H&K engineers in the days of the Shah, and production by Sazemane Sanaye Defahas continued under the reign of the mullahs of the Iranian Shiite brand of the *Religion of Peace,* who as we know are all kind and wonderful people.
So far as the South-West Asian region, the Bangladesh Ordnance Factory also is a licensed H&K producer.
You are generally correct [the economy of scale when you produce small arms in five million unit production runs is staggering.]
But do not forget that we arranged for over a million Egyptian-produced AKM rifles turned out at a plant set up for Egypt by the Soviet union to be supplied to the Mujahadeen who were killing young Soviet troopers in Afghanistan in the 1970s and '80s. As well as hundreds of thousands of Type 56 Chinese AKMs and Romanian GP75 stamped receiver AKs, literally tons of which were trucked across the Afghan border to the Frontier Tribal Areas of Pakistan after we removed the Taliban government from power in 2001.
Another one for you: some of the Americans killed were apparantly from a religious group known as *the Syncronicity Foundation.
It appears that circumstances aligned perfectly for them to be in the right place at the right time for them to be killed.
Stay safe !
I met one of the nice H&K tech reps a few years back when they were showing off the then-new XM-8 and its blooper attachment at Camp Robinson/ Little Rock. I said some generally nice things about it, got to put a couple of hundred rounds through it, and was favourably impressed. When the guy asked me if there was anything *special* I'd like to see from the H&K lines, I chatted with him for a while about the early G# *einheits* magazine, which he'd never heard of, and which got him franticly scribbling in his little pocket notebook- I'd played with the things at the German small arms testing center at Meppen around 1967, when the nice young engineer from H&K was probably still in diapers.
But he was polite. And when he asked me if there was anything *special* that H&K might supply me, I told him I'd really, really like to have a H&K MP5 with all the markings and selector info in Klingon. He told me *I don't think so.* But he wrote it down in the little notebook.
BTW, in the Phillipines I once had a pre-Navy version [late 1970s] with absolutely no markings at all, no manufacturer, no serial number, no selector indications. They were presumably meant for users who knew where the lever was supposed to be set.
It may come down to no Muslim, of any age, any sex, anywhere in the world, is allowed to possess any metal, with an immediate, on-the-spot death penalty for violators. Followed by a burial in swine offal.
I believe the technical term is a Time on Target attack. To be successful, Australia would also have to play, with Indonesia being their target, and beyond the strategic level, there'd have to be tactical strikes as well, of course. Right down to the company and platoon level, at which young officers from the 82nd Airborne and older ones from the 70th Armored would have to play.
And afterward, we'd have to remain in a constant state of vigilence. Which we ought to be doing anyway, and which if the Indians had been doing, would have shortstopped the Jihadi attack.
BTW: do you know the expressed Israeli nuclear defence policy? It is somewhat more practical than our previous *mutually assured defense* theory, and happily, includes Mecca.
Always have. They still maintain Gurkha/Ghorka formations, and their armoured force is in very respectable shape, despite a sort of hodgpodge approach to equipment common in that corner of the world. But their personnel are excellent, with outstanding leadership.
Several of the posters here would have no problem taking them right out. It wouldn't even take a full magazine.
Too bad the guy with the cell phone didn't have a .45 handgun instead. Or a shotgun....
I think we ought to let fly before they have the means to make the destruction mutual.
Otherwise, they will, sooner or later, whether we shoot first or they do.
It'll be even more interesting to see what sort of grenades they were using, and what the source was for them.
Some of the TV footage I saw showed what looked to be Austrian Hgro M77 model grenades. Pretty hard to be certain, and that's more your line than mine.
Interesting too: the 10 or so terrorists included handguns among their equipment, indicating that they may have had something planned that involved concealment of their weapons rather than just brute firepower. There's a lesson there....
I only carried a handgun for E&E and or transition if primary weapon failed me.........as we were all trained to do. I think these POS posers expected to get away. I didn’t see any pics or footage of grenades on em or on the floor etc .......link if ya have the footage or pics.
Stay Safe Archy !!
Crazy world..... Stay safe Jim !
I “had” a Suppressed Ruger Mk 1 with no markings. We even x-ray’d it to see if markings were welded over and ground off etc etc ...... dense metal that is stamped will show up in x-rays. Never had a number on it....no company logo’s etc etc ......Must be nice to walk into Ruger or Hk with cash and creds and walk out with such.....LOL !
Klingon......ROTFLMAO !
BUMPing, Thanks, Dio.
> those from FMP Portugal’s former African colonies can and have turned up in all sorts of odd places.
Could you tell me where?
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