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GOTTA SEE THIS-WarEndur.Freedom 11/28/08 - Mumbai
Yahoo, Reuters, AFP, AAJTAK TV, India TV, and the brave photographers and usual suspects | Nov. 28, 2008 | The Armies of Good against the Axis of Evil

Posted on 11/27/2008 8:21:33 PM PST by Diogenesis

GOTTA SEE THIS - War for Enduring Freedom 11/28/08 - Mumbai

BREAKING: Mumbai - counterattacks, hostage rescue. Seized locations not yet secure.


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=========== Mumbai ===========

In Mumbai, counterattacks against the terrorists continue
with rescue of hostages. Shooting at this moment is taking place
at the Oberoi, and none of the locations seized by Islamic terrorists,
the Trident, Taj Mahal, Oberoi, and the Chabad/Nariman House,
are secure.

At least 125 people have now been murdered by the
Islamic terrorists who sought out Americans, Brits and Jews.

In Mumbai, at the Jewish center, more than a dozen brave commandos
are attempting a rescue of the hostages, including 10 Israelis, taken by Islamic terrorists.


National Security Guard commandoes provide cover fire
as other heroes rappel down onto the roof of a five-story building
owned by Israelis in Colaba, Mumbai, India, Friday, Nov. 28, 2008.


Commandos take positions outside Nariman Bhavan.


Security forces released hostages from Nariman House in Mumbai.


In Mumbai, at the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station,
behind enemy lines with the coward terrorists who pushed one
of their own forward to be photographed (think psyops).


Flames and smoke gush out of the historic historic Taj Mahal Hotel in Mumbai.


Rescue (for some) at the Taj Mahal

Bodies lie near the swimming pool of the Taj Mahal hotel.


At the Taj Hotel, with the brave firemen rescuing hostages.


Army personnel take position at the Gateway of India in front of Taj Hotel.


People duck as gunshots are fired from inside the Taj Mahal hotel
but more than 100 people were rescued from the Islamic terrorists.


At the Taj Hotel, ~120 hostages are rescued and still in shock.


Throughout India, candles are lit in memory of the victims
as effigies of terrorists are burned.



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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 911; fedayeen; india; islam; islamicterrorists; jihad; massmurder; mumbai
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1 posted on 11/27/2008 8:21:34 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; 11B3; 2111USMC; 2Jedismom; A Ruckus of Dogs; AdA$tra; afraidfortherepublic; ...
Bump for GOTTA SEE THIS - War for Enduring Freedom11/28/08 - Mumbai

2 posted on 11/27/2008 8:22:40 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis

Look at the Infantryman’s position as he lays in the prone position.

Feet laid flat. Only the untrained has their toes straight down and heels straight up.

The Indian Army are doing this to standard.


3 posted on 11/27/2008 8:25:59 PM PST by occamrzr06
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To: Diogenesis

Thank you for posting this thread


4 posted on 11/27/2008 8:26:45 PM PST by ConservativeMan55 (Cal Thomas.. just another has been with an opinion and an a$$hole...)
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To: Diogenesis

Thanks much!


5 posted on 11/27/2008 8:26:47 PM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Blue Jays
Tremendous coverage you've provided, Diogenesis. Excellent, as is all of your breaking news.
What did King Obama know about this attack and when did he know it?
Why has Barrack Hussein Obama not yet taken action to resolve this violence?
6 posted on 11/27/2008 8:29:23 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Diogenesis

Islam delenda est


7 posted on 11/27/2008 8:31:48 PM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: Diogenesis

Today being Thanksgiving, I am very thankful for our troops who have left their families to win the war against terror. Their families, who carry on life temporarily without a loved on, also get much thanks. I am thankful for President Bush staying the course in spite of so much flack. I am also very thankful for not having had an attack on US soil for the last 7 years. Finally, I am thankful for people like those here at FR for encouraging us all to win the war, and especially to people like Diogenesis (and others) who take the time to post meaningful threads on this topic!


8 posted on 11/27/2008 8:32:07 PM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: occamrzr06
Look at the Infantryman’s position as he lays in the prone position. Feet laid flat. Only the untrained has their toes straight down and heels straight up.

Why?

9 posted on 11/27/2008 8:32:21 PM PST by ottbmare
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To: occamrzr06
Feet laid flat. Only the untrained has their toes straight down and heels straight up.

The advantage?

10 posted on 11/27/2008 8:34:41 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (It's no longer the Press Van, it's a "Tanker" Truck!)
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To: Diogenesis


Mumbai is what we once called Bombay

11 posted on 11/27/2008 8:36:06 PM PST by dennisw (Never bet on Islam! ::::: Never bet on a false prophet!)
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To: Diogenesis

Satan has FIRM control over most of Planet Earth. How else could the “world” not have already declared full-scale war against Islam? While I hear so many arguments that “not all Muslims are violent”... It is amazing how silent so many of the supposedly “peaceful” Muslims are when such attacks happen.

Where is the Saudi royal family? Why are they not on worldwide media declaring how evil and wrong these attacks are?

Where is CAIR here in the states? Why are they not buying air time to publicly decry these events of terrorism to be wrong?

Simple answer - because in the back of EVERY Muslim’s mind - planted by not only the Koran, but by the teachings of Islamic leaders - that it is still a war of Mohammed’s followers and the rest of the world -

But you can guarantee - if it were a Christian, or an Jewish terrorist group attacking Muslims- those same groups would be gnashing their teeth and declaring their own Jihad....

Yeah... like we hear so much about those pesky Amish terrorists - bombing and shooting people in Pennsylvania...


12 posted on 11/27/2008 8:36:42 PM PST by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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To: ottbmare

Why look?

Or why do you have your feet positioned that way?

Look because it illustrates that the forces Inia has deployed appear to be competent.

Why you want you feet like that is to keep your heels from being shot off.

It is a sign of training and attention to detail. Kinda gives you a warm fuzzy about who is in charge.


13 posted on 11/27/2008 8:37:13 PM PST by occamrzr06
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To: Doctor Raoul; ottbmare

By keeping one’s feet flat and close to the ground, one minimizes the opportunity of catching a sniper’s bullet to the heel. The more one has cover and concealment, the better.


14 posted on 11/27/2008 8:37:28 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: All

India should do the world a favor and unleash all its nuke arsenal on pakistan before pakistan knows it even exisists anymore... then israel should take out iran with a massive fury of hell raining down on the islamic empires.


15 posted on 11/27/2008 8:41:05 PM PST by 82ndABNOfficer
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To: Diogenesis; MeekOneGOP; Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ntnychik; potlatch; devolve; gonzo; ...

Heard one newscast refer to these pukes as "militants"--

--I already got into an email back-and-forth with whoever's handling Shepherd Smith at Fox's emails re "militant" v. "terrorist".

Kill these pukes where they stand. If they must be captured, get their info fast and then kill them. If they're imprisoned they get back into circulation: Israel releases them for dead IDF; Hussein wants them to get trials with CAIR providing defense lawyers.

It's really a WAR against ISLAMO-terrorism, not "terrorism" in general, and certainly not against "militants".

Unfortunately Iran will get to build its nuclear missiles and Hussein has appointed Jane Huh-What-Terrorists Napolitano head of Homeland Open Borders.

16 posted on 11/27/2008 8:41:51 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Blue Jays

on-toes gives the body a bit more motion; the longer shots are a bit more difficult. The more the body is like the ground, the steadier.


17 posted on 11/27/2008 8:43:31 PM PST by Loud Mime (We're not hateful. We respect traditional marriage - which our opponents HATE)
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To: Blue Jays

That and your Drill Instructor/SGT will kick you heels so hard you never forget.

It’s a strange phenomenon that when people shoot at you, your first instinct is to wet yourself. After that, you tend to only be able to do the things you’ve been trained to do under stress.


18 posted on 11/27/2008 8:45:47 PM PST by occamrzr06
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To: Diogenesis

http://mumbai.metblogs.com/

Good sources as well here for up to minute info.....


19 posted on 11/27/2008 8:47:13 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: occamrzr06

I never wet myself when shot at. Only felt the hot burn on the edges of my ears.


20 posted on 11/27/2008 8:48:29 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Diogenesis
To all heroes at point serving America and the Free World God bless you and your families. Stay safe.

Bears repeating

21 posted on 11/27/2008 8:54:15 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (When homo's can procreate - then they can get married)
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To: PhilDragoo

Soooo! Will the MSM continue to refer to this scum as “insurgents” from the “Religion of Peace”?


22 posted on 11/27/2008 9:07:51 PM PST by TeaDumper
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To: TeaDumper

We need to refer to these pukes as dead.


23 posted on 11/27/2008 9:15:08 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Diogenesis

Is the “War on Terror” still a misnomer, MSM?

Can’t wait to go back to Iraq or Afghanistan with high hopes of eliminated a few more terrorist scum from the “circle of life.”

Kill ‘em before they can breed, that’s my motto.


24 posted on 11/27/2008 9:20:50 PM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Shut the deuce up!!! I'll do the fighting!!!)
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To: Diogenesis

I think the maniacal dipshit insurgent in black and blue is using a “type 56” Chinese Kalashnikov under folder


25 posted on 11/27/2008 9:21:11 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Doesn’t mean that they’re Chinese supported. Doesn’t mean that they’re not. Unfortunately - China has sold/given away/traded/”lost” literally millions of the things, and they’ve ended up being used against the Chinese in more than one war and uprising.


26 posted on 11/27/2008 9:27:20 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: TheBattman
Just like to add - if Obama lost on Nov 4th MSM would now be peddling theories that this his loss provoke the carnage...
27 posted on 11/27/2008 9:32:07 PM PST by alecqss
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To: Spktyr

You are right. I just feel that Andhra Pradesh is probably an easier smuggling point than Kashmir. Bhutahn too


28 posted on 11/27/2008 9:34:46 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Spktyr

BTW Bhutan is an Opium Highway.

Bet they smuggle guns too.

My bro tells me that the visa for Bhutan is 24 hrs in duration.
You cant be anywhere in 24 hrs via trail from the border.

This visa constraint is designed to keep you out


29 posted on 11/27/2008 9:41:27 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

If they start showing up with QBZ-95/97 or Type 97 rifles, then I’d *really* be suspicious about a Chinese “false flag” op or support of an existing terrorist org.

But AKs? The damn things are universal now. No way to tell if the manufacturing country supported them or if they bought them from somewhere else.


30 posted on 11/27/2008 9:50:37 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: mylife

Yes, but like third world border zones the world over, a bit of cash in the right spots will get that extended “indefinitely” or ignored entirely.


31 posted on 11/27/2008 9:52:30 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

The last major attack in Mumbai was with type 56’s and hand grenades


32 posted on 11/27/2008 9:53:43 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Spktyr

True and it s huge border


33 posted on 11/27/2008 9:54:54 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Yeah, but the Chinese themselves have had to put down rebellions where the rebels had Type 56s and hand grenades. Both of Chinese manufacture, but it turned out that those particular arms had been shipped to Africa initially - and then smuggled *back* into China.

If I recall correctly, the Type 56 is a bit cheaper on the world arms market than the Russian AK equivalent.


34 posted on 11/27/2008 9:56:46 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

BTW The Chinese have made roads into Bhutan and they openly dispute Andhra Pradesh with India


35 posted on 11/27/2008 9:57:50 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Yeah, I know, and there’s been speculation that the Chinese are covertly funding muj groups in India. I wouldn’t put it past them to be a supporter of the group or groups responsible for the Mumbai op, but the Type 56s don’t prove anything one way or the other, unfortunately.


36 posted on 11/27/2008 9:59:20 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Dunno about that. Dont count out China as an enabeler


37 posted on 11/27/2008 9:59:40 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Spktyr

They may just be a 3rd party. Easy arms.

Kashmir is in a lockdown.

I wouldnt smuggle thought there.
Threre is an army checkpoint every 100 yards


38 posted on 11/27/2008 10:03:02 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Spktyr

One article said they were “not AK-47’s but more sophisticated MP-6”. Not sure if that was for all of the terrorists or not. A quick search came up with HK MP-6. I’m know gun expert - but aren’t the HK’s really expensive and top quality stuff!? Are their knock-offs of an MP-6? (Just like some reporter might call any M-16 style rifle an M-16?)


39 posted on 11/27/2008 10:04:10 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

Um... as far as I know, H&K has never shopped an “MP6”. They’ve sold MP5s all over the place, though.


40 posted on 11/27/2008 10:06:59 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: 21twelve

Look at the pics of the douchebag wearing black with the black bag with blue trim full of things. He has a type 56 underfolder. Made in China


41 posted on 11/27/2008 10:09:01 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Spktyr

Well - here’s one site - looks like the MP6 is fairly new (and pretty much the same as the MP5?). Or - the reporter got MP5 mixed up with his I-Pod MP6 player?

*****

“The latest in the MP5 family, Heckler & Koch engineer Erma Shumer designed the MP6 for jobs such as ExecSec, where concealable firepower is needed, it also fills a requirement for SWAT teams requiring the same power of the MP5 family, yet with greater easier of maneuver.
The major step away from the Heckler & Koch tradition is the adoption of the helical clip. Able to carry thirty rounds of 9 x 19mm caseless, it offers the same staying power. However, designers noted that to use the common diopter rear sight and front sight, it would negate any improvement to concealability. So they chose to offset the sights to the side of the weapon, and aligning them 45º so a firer can aim the weapon without presenting a higher profile....”


42 posted on 11/27/2008 10:14:08 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: mylife

Thanks - I didn’t read all of the posts in detail (I keep promising myself that I will do that, but....) The only part about that picture that I like is that there is a photo - which hopefully allowed the police to kill/interogate the guy.


43 posted on 11/27/2008 10:16:47 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

All of the terrs I’ve seen pictures of in this incident were carrying some AK clone or variant.

Now, if MP5s are showing up in the terr’s hands, they’re probably not getting them from H&K directly. Pakistan Ordnance Factories has been manufacturing the MP5 under license for years. MP5s were made (and in many cases still are made) under license in Greece, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, France, Mexico and Pakistan. Iran also makes MP5s, but whether these are illegal clones or licensed copies is unclear.


44 posted on 11/27/2008 10:17:35 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Interesting all the various places they are made. (I sorta figured it’d be across the street from the Mercedes Benz factory or something!).


45 posted on 11/27/2008 10:20:09 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

That MP6 is a fictional weapon from the Shadowrun RPG.


46 posted on 11/27/2008 10:20:30 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: 21twelve

H&K still makes them in Germany. Specifically in Oberndorf, south of Stuttgart... which is where Porsche and Mercedes are based.


47 posted on 11/27/2008 10:24:46 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

What - it’s on the internet and its not TRUE!!??? (There was a thread awhile ago about does the internet make us smarter or dumber. Obviously dumber for me in this case!)

By the way - what is Shadowrun RPG - an internet game or something?


48 posted on 11/27/2008 10:27:52 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: Spktyr

Ah - a game. Sorry for being an idiot. Although there WAS an article where they said some of them used MP-6’s. Of course the lady on CNN also said they used “heavy machineguns like the AK-47”.


49 posted on 11/27/2008 10:30:42 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve

Yeah. And they get worse than that. I once saw a BBC reporter describing the confiscated weapon in his hand as a “heavy machine gun, capable of firing over a thousand bullets a minute.”

He was holding a scoped Enfield .303. And no, he wasn’t joking.


50 posted on 11/27/2008 10:34:29 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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