Chretien, Broadbent brokering possible coalition (SOCIALIST COUP BREWING IN CANADA)

http://ca.news.yahoo.com ^ | Nov.29 2008 | Canadian Press

[Para-Ord.45]

NDP Leader Jack Layton has enlisted one of his predecessors to sound out former prime minister Jean Chretien on the possibility of a Liberal-New Democrat coalition government.

A senior NDP official told The Canadian Press that Ed Broadbent spoke to Chretien at least four times after Finance Minister Jim Flaherty delivered an economic update that threatened to bankrupt the opposition parties.

...The opposition parties all say Flaherty's mini-budget, which strictly limits federal spending, bans public-sector strikes through 2011, and denies federal parties $30 million in annual funding, is ideologically driven and offers no stimulus package to deal with the economic crisis.

The annual funding issue is a potentially lethal poison pill that would financially cripple every party except the Tories.

[Para-Ord.45]

LET`S BE CLEAR. THE SOCIALIST LEFT IS ATTEMPTING A COUP ONLY BECAUSE THEIR WELFARE PAYMENTS THAT PROP UP THEIR PARTIES ARE IN JEOPARDY.ADDED TO THAT IS THE FACT THEY WANT A "STIMULUS" PACKAGE THAT MIMICS THAT OF THE USA, IN OTHER WORDS MASSIVE CORPORATE WELFARE THAT BANKRUPTS THE COUNTRY.

[1rudeboy]

It’s not a “coup.” It’s the function of a parliamentary democracy.

[FrankR]

"Subsidies entail politicians’ taking the citizen’s paycheck and then using it to buy his submission."-James Bovard.

[Para-Ord.45]

Then help me out, when was the last time it occurred in Canada?

[1rudeboy]

I’ll see if I can find some Canadians to help.

[mkjessup]

It’s not a “coup.” It’s the function of a parliamentary democracy.

Oh great, you again. So now you're an expert on Canadian politics?

[Para-Ord.45]

LOL

You don`t know. You feigned knowing but you really do not know.

Answer: NEVER

[mkjessup]

Then help me out, when was the last time it occurred in Canada?

To the best of my knowledge it is unprecedented. In the last Canadian elections, Harper and his Conservatives gained seats in Parliament, and although they remain a minority government, their overall strength was increased.

What Harper is seeking to do (IMHO) is to push the Lieberals, the NDP'ers and the Bloc-heads to actually cause the collapse of the government, forcing a snap election and Harper's campaign theme would be "We tried to put an end to political parties picking your pocket to the tune of 30 million a year, but Stephan Dion, Jack Layton and Giles Duceppe think they're entitled to your money and intend to keep your cash flowing into their coffers"

That kind of theme would resonate with voters and could likely return Harper's Conservatives to power with an unassailable majority government.

The only possible hangup would be if the little DICKtator Jean Chretien and Comrade Jack Layton's NDP were able to convince the Governor-General to approve of a coalition government, that could toss Harper and the Conservatives out of power without the benefit of an election.

In Canada, the Liberals have always thought they had a birthright to ruling the Country, the NDP (with the exception of Darrel Dexter in Nova Scotia) is ideologically in lockstep with the Liberals except they want to go even further to the left, and the Bloc Quebecois are out after what they're always out for, more money/goodies and/or independence for Quebec.

The Conservatives are the only damn honest political party Canada has. Shame on all Canadians if they allow them to be thrown out.

[mkjessup]

LOL
You don`t know. You feigned knowing but you really do not know.
Answer: NEVER

Heh, heh, meet 'Professor Irwin 'rudeboy' Corey, the world's foremost authority, LOL

[headsonpikes]

AIN’T GOING TO HAPPEN!

Such a ‘coup’ would require the Bloc to prop up the unholy devil’s breakfast alliance of Grits and Waffles(Inside Canadian joke).

This would blow Quebec politics up in the midst of a provincial election.

To reiterate:

AIN’T GOING TO HAPPEN!

[fanfan]

Thanks for the ping, 1rudeboy.

[fanfan]

1 rude boy is right.

When a minority government loses the “confidence” of the house, or doesn’t feel it can govern properly, the opposition parties can form a coalition, and ask the governor general to allow them to form the government.
She can allow this, or refuse, and force a new election.

[Squawk 8888]

It happened in Ontario in 1985- the Progressive Conservative Party won a plurality of seats in the Legislator and also won the popular vote, but were ousted by a coalition by the Liberals and NDP.

[fanfan]

Arthur Meighen led two short lived Conservative governments. The first was a majority at the end of 13th parliament, elected in 1917 under the Unionist ticket. The second government was a minority in 1926. Meighen's conservatives won a plurality of the seats in the previous 1925 election, however a government was instead formed via an agreement between the Liberals and Progressives. After King's Liberals had lost the progressives' support he requested parliament to be dissolved by then governor general, Lord Byng, resulting in the King-Byng Affair. The resulting conflict caused King to shortly resign as prime minister, and Byng subsequently appointed Meighen as prime minister. On July 1, 1926, a week after Byng appointed him prime minister, Meighen lost a confidence vote in the House of Commons resulting in the 1926 election.

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[Sharrukin]

This would be a disaster for the Liberals and NDP. We just went through an election and a lot of people would not be happy doing it again. They would be portrayed as money grubbing and anti-democratic with some truth to it. I also wonder what the Bloc would have to gain by supporting such a deal. They would gain more by playing power broker, and siding with the Conservatives after extracting concessions out of them.

Of course people don’t always do the logical thing.

[fanfan]

They don’t seem to be rushing back to apologize to you....

[Snowyman]

AIN’T GOING TO HAPPEN!

True. But perhaps the wrong reason

The government won't include a controversial proposal to end public subsidies of political parties in an upcoming confidence vote on the fall fiscal update, a spokesman for the Prime Minister's Office confirmed Friday.

[Shery]

I guess they think that Obama’s win in the US would give them a better chance. I hope it falis.

I hope america wakes up in 2010 and routes out all leftist/democrats. I have no heartburn with true democrats, especially those who are pro-life, pro-family values, etc. I hope that with the ekection of Obama, people really understand how they were hoodwinked into thinking there was going to be a change for good and realize that the only way out is to oust all leftists from Congress, and then eventually the WH.

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“The only possible hangup would be if the little DICKtator Jean Chretien and Comrade Jack Layton’s NDP were able to convince the Governor-General to approve of a coalition government, that could toss Harper and the Conservatives out of power without the benefit of an election.”

Seems unlikely, given that the Liberals and NDP together would still have fewer seats than the Conservatives.

Pushing the other parties to call a snap election on this issue could backfire on the Conservatives, if the electorate perceives it as the Conservatives having forced it. That assumes, of course, that the electorate has any sympathy for Canada’s political parties being cut off from public funding. They might just, though - seeing this as the Conservatives playing hardball politics at a time when there are more important issues at stake.

The Liberals calling for an economic stimulus package is laughable, of course, given that they were criticizing the Conservatives for their spendthrift ways just a couple of months ago in the last election - but then again the average voter seems to have a very short memory for most things (although it took them a long time to forgive the PCs for the GST).

[1rudeboy]

That’s because one of them I know for a fact to be mentally retarded. I tolerate him out of respect for his condition.