Skip to comments.A last electoral hurdle for Obama
Posted on 12/01/2008 4:03:01 AM PST by blueyon
Barack Obama has one election still to win before he moves into the White House, and by all accounts hes a shoo-in. The Electoral College that curious body created by the Founders to put one extra check on the popular vote meets Dec. 15 to elect the president.
But across the US, a small band of Americans convinced that Mr. Obama is not a natural-born citizen, as the Constitution requires of presidents, are lobbying Democratic electors to take one last look at the notion that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.
The idea that Democratic electors would deny Obama the presidency strains the bounds of credulity. But the lobbying campaign points to the endurance of conspiracy theories pertaining to US presidents and revives longstanding questions about the Electoral College itself.
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For the CSM to mention this... It must be getting some legs.
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I wonder if any reporter will ask Obama the question straight-up.
What is the salary of an elector?
Is it different from state to state?
What are the qualifications to be one?
The MSM reporters are from the Bagdad Bob school of journalism. They will only attack the ones asking the questions ie. Joe the plumber.
====A conspiracy theory is a hypothesis that alleges a coordinated group is, or was, secretly working to commit illegal or wrongful actions, including attempting to hide the existence of the group and its activities. In notable cases the hypothesis contradicts what was, or is, represented as the mainstream explanation for historical or current events.====
I think its an accurate definition of what is going on. It’s a shame word/term to marginalize a group. Stand firm and fight back with the facts because its going to be a rough week.
It'll be interesting to see what the Supremes have to say about all this on Friday...
That horrible woman Pelosi is willing to give a pass to Rangle and his nefarious and shady dealings, why would she be bothered ignoring the Constitution.
expiring minds want to know!
qualifications none but he’s black so it’s ok for the msm.
O’s mother is/was american. His father whatever. By her naturalization, her offspring are natural born american no matter where born? American mother’s living working outside of this country married to a foreign born giving birth in a foreign land the child is not a natural born American?
I’d think a very good question would be to ask if Obama has ever been a citizen of another country, and if so, please authorize the release of all documentation pertaining to that citizenship, and provide it for review. That would include birth certificate(s), sealed adoption records, school records, passport information and college admissions.
who’s your daddy mr O???
a promiscuous mom, well under 21 ,with multiple sex partners, does not lead to knowing who is the father.. so mr O who’s your daddy?? - thats mr O’s problem with the the birth cert.
The simplest explanation I’ve read is that a “natural born” citizen is one in which an act of law was not required. If Obama was born to a Kenyan (which at the time was a British colony), he would hold dual citizenship. When his mother married the Indonesian and they moved to Indonesia, he would have possibly became a dual citizen of the U.S. and Indonesia. In order to become a naturalized citizen, he would have had to renounce his citizenship of either Kenya/Britain or Indonesia. That would have required an act of law, so therefore not “natural born”.
McCain, OTOH, even though he was born in Panama required no act of law to be a citizen.
That’s just one take on the issue.
Post 14. Yes, that’s the rub. Was he ever a naturalized citizen of Indonesia? Or did he hold dual citizenship at any time in hie life?
In either case, I believe he would not be considered “natural born” because even though he was born in HI (which I believe to be the case), he would have had to renounce his citizenship of other countries to become eligible for President as if you hold dual citizenship or have ever had dual citizenship, it takes an act of law for you to be a sole citizen of the U.S.
It seems possible that he traded on his dual citizenship for school admissions and travel purposes - perhaps even on passport information.
None of those records have been made public.
It is not a full-time job. You only have one duty, to cast your ballot on the prescribed date. I expect the salary is zero and there might be a one-time small stipend.
There are no qualifications as required by the Constitution.
Rabid party partisans are selected to ensure that they vote for the candidate the state selected. States try to enforce their vote but the Constitution allows them to vote for anyone.
Even the c-span anchor said this morning he never heard about his birth certificate problem. So how is the country going to hear about it?
LOL! There is no electoral college question. It was put in place for some good reasons:
To keep the larger, more populated States from having too much political pull against the smaller, and/or less populated States, and
to make sure only qualified candidates held office.
Look on the bright side - this morning, we were right wing nut-jobs....now it's a 'conspiracy'. :-)
Not according to the law in effect at the time Obama was born. At that time, if only one parent was an American citizen, that parent had to be at least eighteen years of age or older to confer "birthright citizenship" if the child was born outside the US. Obama's mother was not yet eighteen when he was born.
Yes, there would be huge race riots around the country. The left will claim that Obama "deserves" the office even if he is ineligible. "Election is illegal" is the wrong term here. People are allowed to cast votes for any ineligible person, including dead people, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. EC electors are allowed to vote for anyone also, without penalty. So no laws are broken until an ineligible person tries to take the oath of office.
If the SCOTUS declares that Obama cannot take office, and the Electoral College has already met, this means that Biden is acting President until the House of Representatives meets to select a President.
There are more complicated scenarios that have already been discussed in previous posts, including some for which an Obama-specific Constitutional amendment is passed allowing him to hold office. I do not think such is impossible, although Obama's administration would be under a perpetual cloud because he had withheld the truth about his citizenship.
McCain was OK because he was born in the Canal Zone, both a U.S. military base and a U.S. Territory at the time. Oba Mao could very well have been born in Hawaii. Most of the anecdotal evidence I've seen indicate he probably was. Why he won't produce a COBL is known only to him. It is possible, but not likely, that he does not have one or is ineligible to get one. A more likely explanation is:
He’s not the president YET.
No birth certificate. No peace.
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Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution reads: No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
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